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Originally posted by Stormbringer yes, I got that, already....I fucked up....won't happen again....you guys don't mind if I keep small talk, in this thread, do you??

no no bring it on.. Don't feel frightened to make threads or ask questions or anything. Atleast that wasn't my intention.. Just wanted to advice you to browse the forums, cause what you'll find is just an endless amount of information on music production. If you wanna get good at producing and progress fast, you gotta be prepared to read. Alot. So just get started reading and experiment with the daw of your choise. And remember, learning curve is steeper in the beginning. So just stick with it. Thats the only way to success Maintain focus, never give up.


Good Luck to you!

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force no no bring it on.. Don't feel frightened to make threads or ask questions or anything. Atleast that wasn't my intention.. Just wanted to advice you to browse the forums, cause what you'll find is just an endless amount of information on music production. If you wanna get good at producing and progress fast, you gotta be prepared to read. Alot. So just get started reading and experiment with the daw of your choise. And remember, learning curve is steeper in the beginning. So just stick with it. Thats the only way to success Maintain focus, never give up. Good Luck to you!

Thanks! ...an ideal just came in my head....Of course, this probably isn't new to you guys but....I think it would be cool if some producers opened up a "producers" shop for hire. Kind of like piano teachers. They would offer to show the ropes (or more) to anyone who would be willing to pay hourly wages....Maybe even help work on some tunes as long as they got partial credit or payment for it, after they got everything set up. Could that work?? Or has it been already tried and failed??

People have done that. The most prominent version is the Art Institute's Audio Production degree, though it does not focus on electronic music. Others have focused on production, however. I don't believe it's a viable idea, because the process it takes to really get going is a long, long, often personalized learning experience.

There are some, however, who focus on imparting the basic knowledge of your DAW. These are more viable, but their application is more limited, and if you're really serious you'd be reading books and manuals and articles which can help you get started about as fast, I imagine.

BTW... Please, for the love of god, stop talking about your tastes and pickiness. It doesn't have anything to do with musicianship, production, learning, seeing projects through, etc. It's a complete non-sequitur. Added to that, it's like you're saying that there's a superior style of trance - hard trance. It's like you're slapping me in the face with an old gym sock filled with poo. So you got your personal tastes. Fine! Well we've got ours, and it's different than yours!
....MOVING ON...

Kitphillips: I understand your point of view now... ><

ohh hai i hurd deEjJaYyYY tIeSto - cAsTLes iN dA sKy i wAnT t00o0ooo makE tEkn0o0 liek dis...... wat do me d0?

When I look back years ago to when I started producing (and I didn't even have the internet than) It was the most god awful joke at an attempt at anything in life.

BUT!! This is what I learned because it was an accident that actually helped me.

I started "producing" with Techno Ejay when it was first released. And even though it covers absolutely NOTHING remotely close to what a DAW requires, you DO learn something I still consider invaluable for any newbie.. thats direction.

You will learn how to take elements as big chunks (rather than making these elements in a daw) and organize them in a mix.

This is why when I moved to reason, all I had to learn was how to make the major elements (bass line, synth line, percussions, etc) and I had this sort of familiarity with where things should go.

I would focus on big pieces first, not small. If you start studying frequencies and phase cancellations you'll be turned off to quickly.
You learn by steps what ever becomes your natural escalation process.

For me it seems my last step is mastering, and it also seems this step will never "finish". That its a lifetime voyage. Other skills will build but that is one skill I always focus the most on because a perfect mix is near impossible for even a pro.

But g/luck and try a smaller program maybe, like dance ejay or any of that software we all will most likely mach you for using.

I'm sure a number of the talented producers on this forum would be happy to provide paid services - whether it's helping you to mix a track, or provide detailed feedback and advice on your productions, showing you effective approaches (since people who make decent sounding music have usually taken thousands of wrong turns and know what doesn't work).

You can ask questions on forums, and often get great answers. However, you don't always know that the person providing the advice is producing fantastic sounding music. Maybe a good approach is to provide examples of the sound you're aiming for (as you've done in this thread), get engineers to send you examples of their work in that style, and offer to pay decent money to the engineer you think will help you the most.

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Originally posted by MOK BTW... Please, for the love of god, stop talking about your tastes and pickiness. It doesn't have anything to do with musicianship, production, learning, seeing projects through, etc. It's a complete non-sequitur. Added to that, it's like you're saying that there's a superior style of trance - hard trance. It's like you're slapping me in the face with an old gym sock filled with poo. So you got your personal tastes. Fine! Well we've got ours, and it's different than yours! ....MOVING ON... Kitphillips: I understand your point of view now... ><

..whaaat?? I've only mentioned my pickiness once! If you can find more than one quotes, by all mean put it down in this thread... As for my taste...Well I felt I had to put down what music I was wanting to make...Just so that someone can tell me if "Fruity Loops" can or not. I like hard trance and I wanna make hard trance. I want the right stuff that will help me make it. How is that slapping "poo" in your face?? Fuckin' lighten up, dude. If you have a problem with what I say, cease reading my posts. Btw...I did also mention that I like other styles of trance, too. Did you read that?

And I disagree with taste not having anything to do with making great music...Taste has everything to do with making great trance and not the boring stuff that I've seen lately. If you have bad taste in music, you will make bad music. It's just that simple. Too many producer putting out garbage, these days. I would like a shot. I just wanna know how to use the right stuff....after that...I know what will sound good and what will not...at least I know what I want in a song...

One mans trash is another mans treasure, I suppose.

There are a lot of people (like millions) who likes the style of trance, that I throw down.

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Originally posted by Stormbringer There are a lot of people (like millions) who likes the style of trance, that I throw down.

Are you challenging someone to a fight on the internet?

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Originally posted by Stef Are you challenging someone to a fight on the internet?

no....????

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Originally posted by Stef Are you challenging someone to a fight on the internet?

how did u get to that conclusion? lol

Dude I have no idea what these guys are up to... I totally agree with you.. taste has plenty to do with making great music, and you telling us what sort of music you like and want to make is ofcourse very useful.... Im having major difficulties understanding how he sees that as poo slapped in hes face. Its called projection I guess.. Well anyways.. heres some toilet paper!

lol...good form, good form...

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Hard Trance

Pardon me I misread you. I thought you said hard dance. I don't really like either

Stormbringer, I think what you're not realising and why people are getting annoyed, is that the fact that you make hard dance is COMPLETELY irrelevant to your questions as to how to start producing. So people are thinking that your obsessing about a genre. When a lot of people (myself included) produce we completely discount the existence of genres at all, because really the only difference is a nudge in terms of BPM, different synth patches or a different drum pattern. I personally get quite bored of people talking about genres, simply because I don't think (after I've been producing for a while) that they actually help describe music at all.

I think your assuming that different tools are better for different genres, but that's not the case. You can produce everything from hard trance to house to techno with the same tools. If you read the stickies it would have been better

If genres don't matter, i could probably ask you to make a full orchestral score in sonata form and you wouldn't blink. Like most niche genres, Trance covers a very narrow bandwidth of musical ideas and has a definate style that defines the genre.Some synths/instruments/fx suit certain sounds which suit certain genres so i think certain tools are definately more suited for certain genres.

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Originally posted by RichieV If genres don't matter, i could probably ask you to make a full orchestral score in sonata form and you wouldn't blink. Like most niche genres, Trance covers a very narrow bandwidth of musical ideas and has a definate style that defines the genre.Some synths/instruments/fx suit certain sounds which suit certain genres so i think certain tools are definately more suited for certain genres.

THANK YOU! Even hard trance and club trance also covers a "different narrow bandwidth of musical ideas and has a definite style", apart from each other. So, I did think certain tools might be more suited for certain genres....but wasn't sure. I didn't want to buy something that was really more suited to make hip hop, instead of hard trance or something more suited to make the softer trance and not the harder trance with the bass. I love bass, when done right. That's why I made this post. Now, if it shouldn't matter what you use, then I wanted to know that, too.

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Originally posted by kitphillips I personally get quite bored of people talking about genres, simply because I don't think (after I've been producing for a while) that they actually help describe music at all.

I can imagine you saying the following:

"When people say "Kit Phillips" it doesn't describe the TRUE essence of Kit Phillips."

flat structure for the win, all my music in one folder doesnt matter what genre it is, its sorted by date instead. that way i know the best tracks are either on top or bottom (old or new)

If u want sounds out of the box to make most types of trance, get nexus and a host. I might get flamed for that but, Nexus comes with tons of sounds, sounds that u could be familiar with and its simple to use. If I was starting all over again from scratch, I would prolly start with Live and Nexus and nothing else. But, since it seems that you have no clue about producing (not an insult), you may want cheaper gear, to see if you even like producing.

what the hell is nexus? hardware?

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Originally posted by palm what the hell is nexus? hardware?

Seriously... have you never heard of google ?

http://refx.com/?page=products/nexus/summary

LMAO, I thought I was gonna get flamed for saying Nexus, and you don't even know what it is.

For dance music, IMO-its one of the best romplers money can buy, if thats what your into.

Some will flame because its a rompler and not a "synth".

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Originally posted by Jimb0b Seriously... have you never heard of google ? http://refx.com/?page=products/nexus/summary

i seriously did google it and all i found was some stupid band/label or whatever which almost made be barf: http://www.nexusmusic.com/

thanks it was refx ok. gonna check it out - romplers are fun, im tired of subtractive. my latest music only uses samplers and drummachines so maybe its time to move on to something diferent.

btw how does nexus interact with a daw? usb? midi+audio? what about syncing, backing up of presets etc etc? does it have a small sequencer inside too for some liveacting?

Its a VST, so works like any other vst.

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