PvD has done music for a tv spot: an anti-drug campaign

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Posted by PVD_S11DJ on Jun-07-2002 19:16:

quote:
Originally posted by R O C
Hey kurai - In response to your statement "people who need drugs in order to listen to this kind of music suck"... fuck off. Why do we suck? Because we don't have the same beliefs as you? So your opinion is the only right one, huh? Oh, I see. I by no means NEED drugs to enjoy trance at all. I listen to it every single day of the week, before work, after work, at home, on the weekends, all the time. But when I go out on Saturday night to have fun after a hard week, I like to take some beans and feel good and enjoy the music and the club that much more. So we suck because of that? When I didn't do drugs, I surely did not bash people that did. And now that I do, I do not bash people that don't take them. If someone is pushing drugs on you, then you have a right to get angry with them. But don't fucking criticize the rest of us if we're not bothering you.

strongly agreed

Posted by Ste on Jun-07-2002 20:10:

Posted by kurai on Jun-07-2002 20:43:

Posted by R O C on Jun-07-2002 20:53:

Seems like just about everyone else in this thread agrees with me anyway. You have a great weekend kurai. I'm gonna roll my balls off tomorrow night.

Posted by kurai on Jun-07-2002 20:57:

quote:
Originally posted by R O C
Seems like just about everyone else in this thread agrees with me anyway. You have a great weekend kurai. I'm gonna roll my balls off tomorrow night.

Yah, be proud of yourself. Same to you.

Posted by kr00t0n on Jun-08-2002 00:34:

quote:
and I agree with PvD's opinion that it quite sucks that it's normal to spin in front of a drugged crowd

It has been the norm to spin to a crowd of ppl on drugs since trance hit it big back in the day. Playing to a crowd of ppl sober would be weird, and I guarantee there wouldnt be nearly as much yelling/screaming/whistling/clapping...

Posted by AnGeLicK on Jun-08-2002 02:35:

Did Paul actually say anything in this commerical or are we just assuming his position on this topic because they used his music because he is a well known electronic producer/DJ?

Firstly, everyone has a right to their own opinion on doing drugs and, IMO, it does not make you less of a person. Secondly, drugs are drugs. Alcohol is just as bad as any other drug out there. It definitely kills more people than all other drugs combined. Just because it is accepted by society doesn't necessarily make it right or good. Smoking is also accepted to some degree by society and we all know what that does to you. Alcohol can ruin people's lives just as well as it can be the life of the party. So if you don't have anything nice to say...please don't say anything. I am tired of meeting people who think they are better than other people because they don't use drugs. Doesn't matter if they are illegal or legal. They can be just as good or just as bad if taken in moderation or abuse respectively. Most of the stuff we see on TV is usually the worst case scenario for taking drugs.

Ecstasy kills...please give me a break. Taking a flu shot can paralyze you for life or even kill you if you are allergic to them. You don't see commericals about that. If there were commericals about them, maybe my friend wouldn't have gone through what she had to go through. So next time please get the facts before you start blaming drugs. Drugs can be fun if you are careful and in moderation. So have fun and enjoy.

...peace...

Posted by k.k.d. on Jun-08-2002 06:29:

Kids, kids, kids.. Cut the crap out.. Like Angelick said, it's a matter of personal choice... If one likes to rave while high, it's good for him; if another prefers to dance sober, ditto.. Stop with the immature bash of each other... Personal freedom is the king, and it sucks when people try to bash you for it...

As for PVD, there's nothing wrong about him advertising an anti drug campaign... Basicly, I don't see no reason whatsoever why should of he refused to do so... Like I already said, people are free: it's not for PVD or whoever to dictate what's best for you.. Simply assume the responsabilities, and be happy

Posted by dj_helen_k on Jun-08-2002 06:56:

spot on k.k.d. and AnGeLicK
...

i myself am a non drug user. i do drink 'some' alcohol sometimes, but i know my 'limits'
its all about choice....and i guess everyone has a right todo what they please.

.....i have no problem with drug users...
as long as they dont harm anyone else..then its ok.
if they are harming themselves from the drugs, then hey, thats THEIR own problem....and im sure drug users know that too....

greets from sydney
helen

Posted by m0sh on Jun-08-2002 07:05:

What to fuck drugs give you?

SHIT!!!

IT WILL FUCKING KILL YOU

I DON'T NEED THIS SHIT TO BE CRAZY!

I CAN DO IT W/O DRUGS

I SUPPORT PVD ANTI-DRUGS CAMPAIGN

AND YES

EXCTASY KILLS

Posted by AnGeLicK on Jun-08-2002 07:42:

Well that is your choice and thank you for your opinion. It is duly noted and I could really care less. Just because something kills someone else doesn't mean it should be banned. Most drug users know what they are getting into and the only people they hurt when they start to abuse drugs is usually themselves. According to your logic cars should be banned, too. I'm come on, I am supposed to trust the guy in the next lane not kill me...please. You don't see me bashing people that drive cars, do you? Here's some info for you to educate your mind. Try understanding other people rather than trying to impose your beliefs on them.

What really kills people.

Alcohol...the legal people killer.

Know what you are doing!

Ecstasy...the new Prozac.

Please know what you are talking about before you say something. It only makes you look stupid.

Posted by m0sh on Jun-08-2002 08:23:

quote:
Originally posted by AnGeLicK
Ecstasy...the new Prozac.

HeHe!

B-U-L-L S-H-I-T

Posted by Verona^My on Jun-08-2002 08:56:

quote:
Originally posted by MoSH_MaN
What to fuck drugs give you?

SHIT!!!

IT WILL FUCKING KILL YOU

I DON'T NEED THIS SHIT TO BE CRAZY!

I CAN DO IT W/O DRUGS

I SUPPORT PVD ANTI-DRUGS CAMPAIGN

AND YES

EXCTASY KILLS

A small note : cigarettes kill more people than all illegal drugs combined, and everyone is all worried about the illegal drugs, sounds like they should be worried about their health...

Posted by m0sh on Jun-08-2002 08:59:

It's still don't make drugs right...

I don't smoke ,don't you drugs and don't drink (yet)

Posted by Verona^My on Jun-08-2002 09:00:

Re: Re: seriously

quote:
Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR

well for a start the world is full of arrogant idiots who like to dish out bad comments over the use of the drug E, and 99.9% of the time theyve never tried it. from there because peopel take drugs in clubs they assoiciate with the music. now, heres where the biggest amount of arrogant mornic narrowminded fucklness comes in! they think peopel take the drug to enjoy the music, they think thats the only reason they take anything, implying that if they didnt take drugs they wouldnt enjoy it, well...

Some people aren't stupid enough to mess with illegal drugs, while at the same time smoking three packs of cigs a day. I personally dont do drugs, although I do take offense when some losers say you need to take drugs to create good music... Yeah, and I'll be the judge if it's good music thank you very much.

I guess I'm a control freak, drugs & absolute control dont mix.

Posted by Tukan on Jun-08-2002 11:42:

I read that smoking kills by far the most people, followed by alcohol, then drugs, yet the government (in Britain I think) spends by far the most money per person using on trying to prevent drugs being used - something like $20,000 per user, while smoking receives a meagre $2.50 or so per user.

Sure this piece of information came from a book trying to help people giving up smoking but that does not mean its incorrect.

I think that's its your choice and as long as you know the effects of the substance, you should be allowed to choose what you take. The worst possible thing that can be done in campaigns is to doctor the truth to make things look different which will end up with people not knowing the true effects of what they're taking.

Posted by Ste on Jun-08-2002 12:45:

some people are just so arrogant towards drugs because theres so much crap twisted thru the media it sicken me, and you get people with their "oh so true" opinions which are based on fake stories twisted from the actual truth. i mean in the uk 26 people died last last year. this was either from overheating in a crmaped environment while using the drug, dehydration for similar reasons as above, or mixing with other drugs. i would be suprised if anyone at all last year died a sole cause of the drug by itself...

compare that to the thousands dying from smoking and car accidents then it shows that people moral priorities should lie elsewhere, how many people die from dirnk driving than taking ecstacy? i rest my case, dont drink and drive.

Posted by Tsunami One on Jun-08-2002 13:35:

DuMonde TrAnCeR it's nice to hear a informed opinion. You have done your own research and i applaud u for it.

Posted by dig2k on Jun-08-2002 13:54:

quote:
Originally posted by kr00t0n
I know it's a bit off topic, but I was just wondering what the scene would be like if there weren't any drugs.

It wouldn't be as popular for one thing, and everyone would probably be drunk, coz it's human nature to do some form of substance abuse.

PvD playing to 40 000 drunk w4nk3rs....? I'm very glad thatdrugs are around

Why does electronic dance music need drugs to be 'popular'? You shouldn't need drugs to enjoy the music, ok so I can see they might make the experience 'better' for some ppl, but you don't need them. If ppl rly like the genre they would still listen 2 it without drugs. Besides electronic dance music isn't exactly THE most popular genre in the world and how does popularity effect the music? OK so prehaps there would be less events/clubs but if it means less drug takers then thats good IMO. Finally what makes PvD playing to 40 000 drugged up 'w4nk3rs' any better?

quote:
Originally posted by R O C
Hey kurai - In response to your statement "people who need drugs in order to listen to this kind of music suck"... fuck off. Why do we suck? Because we don't have the same beliefs as you? So your opinion is the only right one, huh? Oh, I see. I by no means NEED drugs to enjoy trance at all. I listen to it every single day of the week, before work, after work, at home, on the weekends, all the time. But when I go out on Saturday night to have fun after a hard week, I like to take some beans and feel good and enjoy the music and the club that much more. So we suck because of that? When I didn't do drugs, I surely did not bash people that did. And now that I do, I do not bash people that don't take them. If someone is pushing drugs on you, then you have a right to get angry with them. But don't fucking criticize the rest of us if we're not bothering you.

Well if he said ppl who NEED DRUGS inorder to LISTEN to this kind of music suck then it DOESN'T apply to you does it? You say you do not need drugs to enjoy the music yet you say 'Why do we suck' when you are not one of 'we'. Anyway Kurai is right; if you NEED drugs to LISTEN to electronic dance music u do suck.

quote:
Originally posted by Angelick
Did Paul actually say anything in this commerical or are we just assuming his position on this topic because they used his music because he is a well known electronic producer/DJ?

Good point, but I think PvD is anti-drugs ne way...

quote:
Originally posted by k.k.d
As for PVD, there's nothing wrong about him advertising an anti drug campaign... Basicly, I don't see no reason whatsoever why should of he refused to do so... Like I already said, people are free: it's not for PVD or whoever to dictate what's best for you.. Simply assume the responsabilities, and be happy

well said.

quote:
Originally posted by dj_helen_k
.....i have no problem with drug users...
as long as they dont harm anyone else..then its ok.
if they are harming themselves from the drugs, then hey, thats THEIR own problem....and im sure drug users know that too....

I'm ok with ppl taking drugs if they don't harm ne 1 else, don't pressurise ppl and don't act like its really cool 2 take drugs. However I think we should all get some collectivism going on here where every1s actions effect each other

quote:
Originally posted by Angelick
What really kills people.
Alcohol...the legal people killer.

Referring to other larger killers does not make taking ecstacy ok. However it can be used to so how relatively little the danger is of taking ecstacy.

quote:
Originally posted by Verona^My
Some people aren't stupid enough to mess with illegal drugs, while at the same time smoking three packs of cigs a day. I personally dont do drugs, although I do take offense when some losers say you need to take drugs to create good music... Yeah, and I'll be the judge if it's good music thank you very much.

I guess I'm a control freak, drugs & absolute control dont mix.

Well said!!

quote:
Originally posted by Tsunami One
DuMonde TrAnCeR it's nice to hear a informed opinion. You have done your own research and i applaud u for it.

Unfortunately his research + opinion seems to be all biased; I have yet to hear any arguments AGAINST ecstacy from him and fail to believe that there is NOTHING bad to be said about ecstacy.

Posted by Luke Terry on Jun-08-2002 15:56:

The thing with the media is the same as Global Warming, so many ppl are uneducated and believe what their brains are fed, and fact - TV has caused the generalisation of the elder generations to fear the young.

Posted by Club Attack on Jun-08-2002 17:15:

I didn't want to make a post on this age-old topic but I always wonder why people want to try and make people who take drugs feel shit about themselves. Do you geninely care about our health?? or are you just trying to lord it over us that you must have a more pure passion for music if you don't take them?

You seem to think that people who do them start to NEED them. Do you NEED a drink when you go out or is it just nice to have one? Like said above if you are under the influence of ANY drug (lets say, alcohol OR ecstasy) you are still altering your natural state of mind. But if its a legal drug your naturally passionate about electronic music right? If its a pill its your taking it because you can't enjoy yourself without them. If ecstasy was legal peole wouldn't feel so self-righteous about not doing it. They are BOTH drugs at the end of the day.

I recently had a fucking amazing night out when I went to see PVD and I was neither on E nor alcohol and I didn�t miss them at all.

Why do people who don�t take drugs give stick to people that do. Drug-users don�t have a go at people for NOT taking drugs � imagine the outcry! Its no-ones business what people do to themselves that�s why. If I wanted someone to look out for my health they would be well informed and experieced in the subject, not just have a go at me!

You get warned about the abuse of drugs. What about the abuse you get off non drug-users?

Posted by xpander007 on Jun-08-2002 17:34:

Re: Re: PvD has done music for a tv spot: an anti-drug campaign

quote:
Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR
WARNING: ecstacy may make you non-violent, happy and friendly.

Nice One

Posted by AnGeLicK on Jun-08-2002 19:05:

Thank you ClubAttack!!!

Posted by kurai on Jun-09-2002 17:22:

I personally don't give a fuck if a person is taking drugs or not, it's their decision but I think it kinda sucks for a DJ if most of the people can't even notice the difference between Lasgo and Cosmic Gate during a rave, why don't we just put all the people on drugs and put them in front of a CD player, who the hell needs skilled and talented DJs anyway, we can take drugs, so we can dance to everything!

Point!

Posted by m0sh on Jun-09-2002 20:13:

quote:
Originally posted by kurai
I personally don't give a fuck if a person is taking drugs or not, it's their decision but I think it kinda sucks for a DJ if most of the people can't even notice the difference between Lasgo and Cosmic Gate during a rave, why don't we just put all the people on drugs and put them in front of a CD player, who the hell needs skilled and talented DJs anyway, we can take drugs, so we can dance to everything!

Point!

True

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