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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Why does the BPM make a difference? Listening to the same ideas again and again is boring at any speed...

only if it got breaks.

My thoughts:

It's started getting really predictable.
Everything about a song is based on the next.

They started making music for clubs and hands-in-the-air moments, and not actually about musical merit or to tell a 'story'.

Melody and the 'emotion' it gives took over the genre and left behind percussion and groove.
I mean listen to any of the generics and tell me there's any groove left in the main section?

The 303 left :P (though i've been hearing more and more of it lately)

I think i've found my sound in Psy (Prog/Morning) but i still like to listen to Trance just in case i still find that gem.

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Originally posted by Chimney How long have you been listening to trance? 1-2? 3 years at most? Listen to these: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=TxvpctgU_s8 and http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=EK8K8J1BnHw So tell me....do you listen to trance?

First one:
Not trance to me, not hypnotic or uplifting or makes me wanna dance, but this version is:

Armin van Buuren ft. Sharon den Adel - In And Out Of Love (The Blizzard Remix)

Second one:
Same like goa and minimal, just a relative small group of people like this type. Not danceable for most people, wrong beat, play it in a club and see what happens. I don't like it. (Probably also is why I never heard a track of Apex Twin I liked....)

I always liked techno, but hate minimal. To me EDM at least needs a danceable beat and then it doesn't matter whether it is house, techno, happy hardcore or trance, (which of course doesn't mean I like everything...)
Trance never borred me for a second since I started listening in the early 90s, but to me it always needed to be melodic and danceable. I enjoy listening ASOT, but many tracks are not special, so I pick the ones I really like. No reason for not liking ASOT. To me the number of tracks I do like matter and not the number of tracks I don't.....
IMO trance moved in the direction of Eurohouse, something which is not really a strange thing to happen. Eurohouse always has been extremely commercial and the Dutch and German record labels have some experience with that so.....


I like trance most, but would enjoy anything like these three and even the good (vocal) uplifting trance tracks any time. I wonder who likes them all and who doesn't, three completely different tracks, but all "dancefloor proof" IMO:

Viper - The Twister (Original Club Mix)

Tenth Chapter - Wired (Stonk Remix)

This one probably is the best example made "dancefloor proof" and more timeless also:

Speedy J - Pullover (Celvin Rotane Remix)

"Dancefloor proof", enjoying music, think that's were it's all about, or like they often said: Feel The Beat...

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Originally posted by Trance-MB (Probably also is why I never heard a track of Apex Twin I liked....)

Clearly, you're doing something wrong.

click the link in his sig and you will see what that is.

dead unicorns don't talk lol.

because it is

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Originally posted by elFreak click the link in his sig and you will see what that is. dead unicorns don't talk lol.

Disrespect is all I see (and I didn't make it)..... but we get used to that, or maybe we don't....

because the novelty wears off

and because people grow in emotional maturity

Probably because their musical tastes don't branch far enough from it. You can't eat cake for every meal.

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Originally posted by Fundamental You can't eat cake for every meal.

what do you really mean here, sounds like a double meaning somehow, are u preaching?

This "over-commercialisation of current trance" that people say is just stupid to me. Trance could always venture to the commercial side, with diva and poppy vocals and stuff e.g. some tracks by Jam and Spoon had pop vocals among many others. Also those "Van Buurenesque"(and Above and Beyond-esque) poppy trance tracks were made like from 1997 or something (and the whole 90s euro-trance stuff were very commercial), do you remember tracks like "Toca's Miracle" in '99 and many tracks released in Perfecto, Xtravaganza, Positiva etc.? Do you remember that many producers "re-mixed" some of the good instrumental tunes in order to get commercial appeal? "Synaesthesia", "Perception" are some of the countless examples that come to mind (and Toca's Miracle mentioned before).





Some years, like 2001, were terrible years for trance, with tracks like Ferry Corsten's remix of "Castles in The Sky" getting good reviews by the press (!). The quantity of the epic-trance tracks that had vocals in 2001 was probably almost equal to the purely instrumental tracks, not to mention that the number of the tracks produced was very small (i have to say that some excellent instrumental tracks were released in 2001-2002 though like "Reflections" by Firewall and "Open Your Eyes" by Insigma. It was just that they were relatively rare in comparison to the number of tracks released in 98-99 and the number of tracks released after epic-trance's "come-back" in 2004).



There are still intrumental epic-trance tracks released, listen to Aurosonic's and Daniel Kandi's productions (among many others). If you listen with an "objective ear" (whatever that means) You'll probably discover that the production quality and even the melodic complexity is higher in comparison to older epic-trance tracks coming from 98, 99 and even up to 2004 and 2005.



The problem as i see it today is not so about the music per se. True is that the music hasn't evolved a lot (if at all), but then which musical genre evolved that much? You still get the same deep house and detroit techno today, only with better, more polished production techniques (funny thing that some minimal techno sounds fresher because it is a relatively new(er) thing).




The problem is about YOU/ US people. We just don't like most of this music anymore, because we are bored of it, simple as that. Our ears have "habituated" to the saw sounds/arpeggios/pads and hence trance music doesn't sound "nice" anymore. Plus, our personalities and emotions have changed, and somehow, they don't "match" this sound. People are just bored by hearing the same tricks over and over again, the saw riffs, the breakdowns, the over-dramatic melodies (i don't have a problem with it and sometimes i would listen to some modern saw trance because,srangely enough, i find it relaxing lol). This ofcourse doesn't mean that those "tricks" "don't do it" for younger generations and young people could find this music "magical" (magic music? heh)and "refreshing".




All the older trance listeners who have got bored of the newer sound would usually not listen to older epic-trance as well. You could make an effort to listen to "El-Nino", "Gouryella" and "Universal Nation" and probably these tracks will do nothing for you today, except maybe for the usual nostalgia. Maybe some would even think something like... "what i was thinking listening to this music back then?". People change faster than the music.



True, all musical genres evolve, reach a peek and eventually die, and truth is that most of genres of EDM today are not at their peek. They are probably not at their ultimate decline either. They are at a stable state though, with some usual equally good and bad stuff getting released. Its just that people don't like it anymore and label everything as "bad".




Many people go through the "Trance-Prog-Techno/House" phase, they make "genre-jumps" and they always find the "newer" genre as "fresher" and generally "better" at everything.
It is simply because they were never exposed to the other genre. Never exposed until the time they discovered it. Truth it that this specific "newly discovered" genre is probably as stable and stale as trance is. I find almost all of todays progressive and techno (and house) in the same state (the State of Trance heh). They have the exact same bloody structure that they had years ago (some even from 94 or something)be it progressive or techno (or house). People just like the "newer" genres because it somehow matches their current psychological state in better ways than their previous ones. Some people even make "retro-genre-jumps" finding the ultimate genre in some old-now-dead 80s or 90s genre or something (one of my favorite genres is 80s new-wave and many people in here love their 90s classic trance and progressive house).Its not that those genres are necessarily more complex or musically better (the famous "they don't make them like that anymore" phrase), they just-for one reason or the other- match one's psychological state better than the newer genres (and this could happen for many reasons)and hence they sound mroe pleasurable.


Trance can be dead. Progressive can be dead. Techno can be dead. House can be dead. In our minds.



So, listen and play to anything you like and don't care what the others say about how "things change to the worst". Because it is most likely that their perceptions of things have changed to the worst, not the things themselves.




And this is a long reply, but, what the f*ck, this is not the CoR. Its good to read a bit from time to time lol.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Why does the BPM make a difference? Listening to the same ideas again and again is boring at any speed...

Well, not implying anything...it's just that Trance happens to be at 135+ bpm

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Originally posted by PETRAN The problem is about YOU/ US people. We just don't like most of this music anymore, because we are bored of it, simple as that. Our ears have "habituated" to the saw sounds/arpeggios/pads and hence trance music doesn't sound "nice" anymore. Plus, our personalities and emotions have changed, and somehow, they don't "match" this sound. People are just bored by hearing the same tricks over and over again, the saw riffs, the breakdowns, the over-dramatic melodies (i don't have a problem with it and sometimes i would listen to some modern saw trance because,srangely enough, i find it relaxing lol). This ofcourse doesn't mean that those "tricks" "don't do it" for younger generations and young people could find this music "magical" (magic music? heh)and "refreshing".

I disagree. I think there is an observable difference in quality between today's trance and it's early incarnations. Producing music in general was a much more tedious job, a task that only a chosen few knew how to handle. Today anyone with an internet connection can set up their own label thanks to the advances in the music production technology. More crap is produced nowadays because there are more poeple with the means to produce said crap. Back in the day, you just didn't have the kind of software that, among onther things, is relatively easy to work with... so that even talentless pricks can release their rubbish (check out this opus magnum: http://tranceaddict.com/forums/show...6897&forumid=11) I quit listening to trance not because I got bored of it but because it has become progressively harder for me to find decent music in this genre. And I'm just not motivated enought to be willing to search for that elusive gem in a sea of sh*t.

I think any genre gets boring and cliche if it doesn't re-invent itself. For example a person bored with A&B might start listening to tech trance like Simon Patterson or Stoneface & Terminal.

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Originally posted by creon444 I disagree. I think there is an observable difference in quality between today's trance and it's early incarnations.

yeah, but who makes trance? it's PEOPLE, and increasingly it's the fans and those who grew up listening to the real stuff, and then listening to simulations of the real stuff, and then simulations of the simulations, etc...





what it always comes down to is people.

remember, only you can prevent generifcation

till you're left with nothing but a cloned unicorn missing too many chromosomes to function

Well let's get rid of all people then. It is time to cleanse this planet. Ramen!

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Originally posted by palm what do you really mean here, sounds like a double meaning somehow, are u preaching?

I think he means that, people who listen to this stuff have often a narrow
palette in music, and listening to the same stuff all the time will
eventually kill interest.. Well, it happened to me, but I�m redeeming myself
these days! Both in terms of listening, and making myself.

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Originally posted by jupiterone till you're left with nothing but a cloned unicorn missing too many chromosomes to function

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Originally posted by jupiterone till you're left with nothing but a cloned unicorn missing too many chromosomes to function

aka every bedroom DJ trying to become the next TUNE OF THE WEEK ON ASOTTTTT

Anything will get boring if you listen to it long and often enough.

And I think today's trance is better than oldschool trance. I dunno why people think old trance is so leet. There was a lot of shitty trance back then and a lot of the tracks were just as poppy imo

I like how a lot of people who hate on trance and say it has turned into shit we're like 10 when it was supposedly "good"

Because I found music that was more interesting and engaging.

i haven't found trance music boring as a genre, i still love complex, well-produced, hypnotic, repetitive trancey electronic music. Unfortunately none of the music labeled as 'trance' these days is any of that. There's far too much gay sing-a-long radio-friendly tripe that anyone over the age of 16 would be embarrassed to be caught listening to. I mean, look at that video for 'In And Out of Love'. My God, has Armin no shame? That has to be one of the biggest pieces of shit I have ever seen, and I even like that woman's voice.

You know who makes really good trance these days? Whirloop. That's real music. Great melodies, diversity of sounds, really can create an atmosphere with some of his tracks.

in the end it's not about the supposed "predictability", the commercialization, or the outrageous dj superstar persona, it's just that i can't listen to the music and take it seriously. it sounds too "emotionally" overdone and too epic, to the point to where i cringe when i hear it (for the most part). every now and again it's good to bust some out though.

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Originally posted by TranceArmstrong i haven't found trance music boring as a genre, i still love complex, well-produced, hypnotic, repetitive trancey electronic music. Unfortunately none of the music labeled as 'trance' these days is any of that. There's far too much gay sing-a-long radio-friendly tripe that anyone over the age of 16 would be embarrassed to be caught listening to. I mean, look at that video for 'In And Out of Love'. My God, has Armin no shame? That has to be one of the biggest pieces of shit I have ever seen, and I even like that woman's voice. You know who makes really good trance these days? Whirloop. That's real music. Great melodies, diversity of sounds, really can create an atmosphere with some of his tracks.

In and Out of Love (Richard Durand Remix) > *

Yeah but people trance always had bloody diva vocals and stuff wtf, trance was always THE COMMERCIAL side of EDM. The only time trance was "underground" was during its' earliest "German" days when you couldn't even distinquish between trance and techno (and ofcourse goa/psy-trance was always obscure in its fluerescent hippyness). After the mid-90s British Progressive influence trance was always the "stadium sound". You just happen not to like the "stadium sound" anymore because some other genre matches your taste better.




Difference in quality between today's trance and older trance? Between today's trance and '99 trance? Well, there is no really any difference, except for the fact that the '99 sound was relatively new back then, so it was more exciting for a larger number of people. Difference in quality between today's trance and early-90s classic trance? Well, early-90s trance was musically much simpler, but it used some breakthrough sounds and hence it was exciting for a larger number of people.



The same also applies for many modern house and techno as well. Its just that YOU don't like your genre anymore.

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