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Originally posted by creon444 I'll refrain from commenting... however, what surprises me is that the youtube page for that track links to tranceaddict.com for a download of the ronski speed version. Is it actually legal? Not implying anything, just asking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54f0KrNEmY

C'mon broski. The Ronski Speed mix is weak as, but the original rocks so hard.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 there are loads of good oldskool trance sets out there. i can also recommend you a proper damn hypnotic set from last year by Oliver Prime.

What's the name of this set?

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Originally posted by JonDC What's with all this 'I started listening to trance before you' bigotry? What do you want a fu(king paper hat? A lot of people started listening to trance in 1999 because they were only 10 when you were off your head listening to "oakeys infamous goa mix" you old fart. That doesn't mean you are better than me; it doesn't mean the music you like is better than the music I like. And there is nothing cheesey or generic about the mix I posted;

No, that's not it. There's virtually zero difference between anthemic/epic trance circa 1999 and that of today. PETRAN got that part right. If you claim otherwise, you're being dishonest here. What you suggested in no way qualifies as, I quote, "the trance before it became what is known as trance today." That is what the OP asked for, he did not asked for your favorite anthems that were popular 6-9 years ago. This has NOTHING whatsoever to do with "my" music being better than the music you like.

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most of it is not like modern trance at all.

Most of it is modern trance, mate.

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Originally posted by Neo95gt I've been rocking out to Markus Schulz Essential Mix from December lately, good stuff http://www.newmixes.com/download/ma...08-newmixes.mp3

It's not bad at all, but it has nothing to do with the classic trance the OP wants to hear.

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Originally posted by creon444 No, that's not it. There's virtually zero difference between anthemic/epic trance circa 1999 and that of today. PETRAN got that part right. If you claim otherwise, you're being dishonest here. What you suggested in no way qualifies as, I quote, "the trance before it became what is known as trance today." That is what the OP asked for, he did not asked for your favorite anthems that were popular 6-9 years ago. This has NOTHING whatsoever to do with "my" music being better than the music you like. Most of it is modern trance, mate.

Hold on a minute.

The original poster said:

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Does anyone have any real trance sets they are willing to share or a place where I could find some? Im thinking of the kind of trance that is described as hypnotic that takes you on a journey. The trance before it became what is known as trance today? I did a search and didn't find anything but would really like to hear something like this. Thanks!

First he asks for real trance. All of the tunes in that mix are real trance. Every single one - you wouldn't put any of them in another genre.

He wants the kind of stuff that is hypnotic and takes you on a journey. I'm not gunna be an arrogant arse hole and say 'it definitely takes you on a journey' because that is subjective - in my opinion it does (otherwise I wouldn't have made it). Obviously you don't, but then you can't speak for the guy who was asking for it can you?

As for the bit about it not sounding like the trance of today, you have a point that most of the tunes follow the same structural formula as modern trance. However, there is not a lot about these days which delivers a similar atmosphere to the tunes in that mix, and none of the tunes rely on clatter-bang drum rolls, hard as nails kicks and anthemic vocals to convey energy (with the possible exception of protonic ). That is what i assumed he meant by 'before the trance of today. And unless you are the original posters bast mate and know exactly what he meant, I suggest you stop getting on your high horse and telling me to fu(k off.

Also, if you dont want it to sound like your telling me you are better than me, don't give me that condescending tone - anybody would have interpreted your post as 'your music is shit, and mine is beter because i got into trance before you.

And to the guy who wanted to know where to find the Oliver prime mix, it was broadcasted in Global Trance Grooves 64 (August 2008). Awsome mix!

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Originally posted by JonDC

This thread sprang up alongside another one (http://tranceaddict.com/forums/show...06959&forumid=1) in which the debate partially concerns precisely the point raised here, what is and what is not "real" trance. I assumed that thread is where the OP got his idea for this one. If this is indeed the case then everything said here before still holds. Your recommendation is inappropriate in virtue of it's bearing to much resemblance to modern trance. But you are right, we need to hear from the OP to see what direction this thread should take.

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. I should have been more specific with my request.

I got the idea from the name of that other topic mentioned, but I didnt actually read the contents of the topic. Ive been thinking about this kind of music for a while and that thread title made me want to search for it.

What follows is my attempt at trying to explain what I think real trance was/should be etc:

Im not familiar with the exact years or artists, but Ive read that trance used to be much different than any of the anthems or ASOT style trance that has been around since 2000 (maybe earlier? i dont know).

Now thinking about it, I dont know if what im thinking of even exists, im just assuming from what ive read about "original" trance, and this is what I envision it to be:

lets see.. It wouldnt have any kind of major melodies like current trance. In which the track is made to feel like a journey on its own, with build ups and break downs. but the blending of different tracks is what would make the and ups and downs? So basically it would be a trance track of today, but in a 60min form made out of a bunch of tracks that dont have their own peaks and breaks. Does that make any sense

I thought of this idea probably 3-4 years ago and never really looked for anything like it. But from what ive read about it I think it would be comparable to todays tech house/minimal maybe. Where the tracks are more based on the rhythm with the melodies being added to keep things interesting? Or even todays techno, but not as hard and that monotonous.

So basically each track would be very simple, with or 2 melodies that repeat to create the hypnotic effect. There would be little variation in the melody itself since you dont want to create too much energy variation in the track and ruin the hypnotic effect, but there could be effects added to keep the sounds from becoming too boring. Then youd have a set of this mixed so that it goes up and down (the journey).

Ill make another post with some examples if I can find something on my own. Like I said I made this observation a few years ago, listening to ASOT etc. at the time and I heard in my head how I wanted the set to continue, but the breaks etc. in the tracks ruined the flow (hypnotic effect) of the set. That thread title reminded me of that so I decided to make a thread about it, I guess I shouldnt have assumed that everyone would know what I meant when I said real trance. I hope this long post explains better what I mean, its hard to explain in words, but when I hear it Ill know that its it..or something like that

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Originally posted by Pudelko What follows is my attempt at trying to explain what I think real trance was/should be etc: Im not familiar with the exact years or artists, but Ive read that trance used to be much different than any of the anthems or ASOT style trance that has been around since 2000 (maybe earlier? i dont know). Now thinking about it, I dont know if what im thinking of even exists, im just assuming from what ive read about "original" trance, and this is what I envision it to be: lets see.. It wouldnt have any kind of major melodies like current trance. In which the track is made to feel like a journey on its own, with build ups and break downs. but the blending of different tracks is what would make the and ups and downs? So basically it would be a trance track of today, but in a 60min form made out of a bunch of tracks that dont have their own peaks and breaks. Does that make any sense I thought of this idea probably 3-4 years ago and never really looked for anything like it. But from what ive read about it I think it would be comparable to todays tech house/minimal maybe. Where the tracks are more based on the rhythm with the melodies being added to keep things interesting? Or even todays techno, but not as hard and that monotonous. So basically each track would be very simple, with or 2 melodies that repeat to create the hypnotic effect. There would be little variation in the melody itself since you dont want to create too much energy variation in the track and ruin the hypnotic effect, but there could be effects added to keep the sounds from becoming too boring. Then youd have a set of this mixed so that it goes up and down (the journey). Ill make another post with some examples if I can find something on my own. Like I said I made this observation a few years ago, listening to ASOT etc. at the time and I heard in my head how I wanted the set to continue, but the breaks etc. in the tracks ruined the flow (hypnotic effect) of the set. That thread title reminded me of that so I decided to make a thread about it, I guess I shouldnt have assumed that everyone would know what I meant when I said real trance. I hope this long post explains better what I mean, its hard to explain in words, but when I hear it Ill know that its it..or something like that

That's basically what my idea of "real trance" is as well.

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Originally posted by creon444 This thread sprang up alongside another one (http://tranceaddict.com/forums/show...06959&forumid=1) in which the debate partially concerns precisely the point raised here, what is and what is not "real" trance. I assumed that thread is where the OP got his idea for this one. If this is indeed the case then everything said here before still holds. Your recommendation is inappropriate in virtue of it's bearing to much resemblance to modern trance. But you are right, we need to hear from the OP to see what direction this thread should take.

Unfortunately threads don't always stay next to each other and therefore can not always be held in context. I also think that 'real' trance is a personal perception and that you have no right to start slagging off someone just because they may have started listening to trance in '99. Nothing wrong with being in our prime!!

I would like to know what your definition of 'modern' trance is. I personally would not class something that was made in '99 as 'modern', especially considering it was produced 10 years ago and production styles change. Also, there is nothing to say that 'modern' trance as you put it is not 'real' trance but just someone else's perspective on 'real' trance.

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Originally posted by Pudelko Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. I should have been more specific with my request. I got the idea from the name of that other topic mentioned, but I didnt actually read the contents of the topic. Ive been thinking about this kind of music for a while and that thread title made me want to search for it. What follows is my attempt at trying to explain what I think real trance was/should be etc: Im not familiar with the exact years or artists, but Ive read that trance used to be much different than any of the anthems or ASOT style trance that has been around since 2000 (maybe earlier? i dont know). Now thinking about it, I dont know if what im thinking of even exists, im just assuming from what ive read about "original" trance, and this is what I envision it to be: lets see.. It wouldnt have any kind of major melodies like current trance. In which the track is made to feel like a journey on its own, with build ups and break downs. but the blending of different tracks is what would make the and ups and downs? So basically it would be a trance track of today, but in a 60min form made out of a bunch of tracks that dont have their own peaks and breaks. Does that make any sense I thought of this idea probably 3-4 years ago and never really looked for anything like it. But from what ive read about it I think it would be comparable to todays tech house/minimal maybe. Where the tracks are more based on the rhythm with the melodies being added to keep things interesting? Or even todays techno, but not as hard and that monotonous. So basically each track would be very simple, with or 2 melodies that repeat to create the hypnotic effect. There would be little variation in the melody itself since you dont want to create too much energy variation in the track and ruin the hypnotic effect, but there could be effects added to keep the sounds from becoming too boring. Then youd have a set of this mixed so that it goes up and down (the journey). Ill make another post with some examples if I can find something on my own. Like I said I made this observation a few years ago, listening to ASOT etc. at the time and I heard in my head how I wanted the set to continue, but the breaks etc. in the tracks ruined the flow (hypnotic effect) of the set. That thread title reminded me of that so I decided to make a thread about it, I guess I shouldnt have assumed that everyone would know what I meant when I said real trance. I hope this long post explains better what I mean, its hard to explain in words, but when I hear it Ill know that its it..or something like that

That description immediately made me think of Sasha - Invol2ver CD1

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Originally posted by jellybean

Refer to the OP's post above yours. And read the thread mentioned.

DJ PETRAN is continuing with a few more amazing classic tunes



Microbots - The Age (Microbots were consistently good trance producers!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_brrCTHmy4



Resistance D- Rezolution (Resistance-D are my all-time favorite trance musicians EVER! F.E.O.S and Maurice Diehl made some of the most hypnotic, druggy, atmospheric and cinematic EDM ever. Yeah they were half-greek as well hah!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDLWKWm477o


Cybordelics- Peter Pan (a classic beautiful trancer by these guys who made some amazing E.P.s in Harthouse)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXmG4EWdbF0



Virtual Symmetry- Virtual House (The man is AC Boutsen. /End)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA6a2ItJ68g

A few more:

Nuclear Hyde - Osmosis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UePMpOR7I0I

Plex - The Future:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L6poyN37wE

Centricon - Ultima:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVOuYUoq3cA

Syncrotron - Deep Thought (Remix):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdq2f4SgAPY

Syncrotron - Excalibur:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44QXyrmjL5s



Edit:

Omniglobe!! One gem from 1994

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHp_1nu4IVA

and another from 1995:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWvD47GXBOE

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Originally posted by PETRAN Virtual Symmetry- Virtual House ( AC Boutsen is THE man . /End) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA6a2ItJ68g

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Originally posted by jellybean That description immediately made me think of Sasha - Invol2ver CD1

...how?

That mix/album was mainly a cacophony bland blips.

After writing my last post I was inspired to try and create something that fit the description.
Here is what I came up with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHSymLxIHRw&fmt=18

It could definitely use some more work (especially the siren sound)

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Originally posted by Pudelko After writing my last post I was inspired to try and create something that fit the description. Here is what I came up with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHSymLxIHRw&fmt=18 It could definitely use some more work (especially the siren sound)

Sounds like you put too much compression on it. The beat gets quieter when the synths are working...

I kind of like the siren sound, actually.

Needs work, but I'm sure you can improve it if you put more time into it.

I am currently trying to make "real trance" as well.

I havent learnt how to master my own tracks so I usually add a compressor to the master bus to get some more volume when I just want to export something quickly. It did seem to get worse after I made a video and uploaded it, on the mp3 you definitely cant tell when the bass enters at the start or the sudden rise in volume at the end of the track.

That sounds way hardhousy

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Originally posted by creon444 That sounds way hardhousy

I used to think that Lisa Pin-up was kinda hot...in a sluty way...

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Originally posted by Ted Promo ...how? That mix/album was mainly a cacophony bland blips.

The OP wrote "It wouldnt have any kind of major melodies like current trance. In which the track is made to feel like a journey on its own, with build ups and break downs. but the blending of different tracks is what would make the and ups and downs? So basically it would be a trance track of today, but in a 60min form made out of a bunch of tracks that dont have their own peaks and breaks."

I listened to the mix last night and that is pretty much what it did. The majority or the tracks sounded like they were the track before, and built up very slowly and gave a burst of emotion from tracks 9-13.

I know it isn't trance, it's just a personal opinion mate.

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Originally posted by creon444 A few more: Nuclear Hyde - Osmosis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UePMpOR7I0I Plex - The Future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L6poyN37wE Centricon - Ultima: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVOuYUoq3cA Syncrotron - Deep Thought (Remix): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdq2f4SgAPY Syncrotron - Excalibur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44QXyrmjL5s Edit: Omniglobe!! One gem from 1994 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHp_1nu4IVA and another from 1995: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWvD47GXBOE

Christ I'm in awe of this real trance. So well produced, and none of it sounds gay at all!!!!!!!!!

I guess what you're looking for simply has been made in the early/mid 90's. TRANCE NATION http://www.discogs.com/release/47713
And probably a lot of those will be new to you.

Link: Beyond - Silver

Link: Quench - Dreams

Link: X-Dream - The 5th Dimension

Link: Joe T. Vannelli - Play With The Voice In Germany (Paul Van Dyk Remix)

Link: COSMIC BABY - HEAR YOURSELF DREAMING (cosmikk trigger 3) (Very hypnotic atmosphere without a awesome beat and bassline)

Link: Microwave Prince - Trancemitter Online

Link:
Casseopaya - Overdose (Remix)

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