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Originally posted by Inrush cant wait for that day!!!

Because prohibition in the 20s worked so well by stopping drinking. I dont believe that organized crime was a big problem before the 20s and the reason is is that rum running gave them a huge new source of revenue which is the reason they ended prohibition. The same thing would happen with smokes and already kind of is. Natives and organized crime are already involved in counterfeiting, smuggling and procuring of illegal tobacco as a response to the obscene social engineering taxes on a pack of smokes. And trust me, they are making a fortune.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced we need second hand smoke.....people are living too long as it is...the population needs to be lowered by a good 3 billion...I am all for anything that helps lower the population....it should be manditory that everyone smoke, drink, and do massive amounts of blow.

somehow i think they would actually live longer LOL

How do greeks live so long when they smoke like chimneys day in and out. Seriously somebody needs to rethink this smoking thing.

Im more worried about asbestos, lead paint and bus fumes than i ever have been about a cigarette

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Sure you can. "Um excuse me friend. Please dont smoke next to my child. Thank you." Taking responsibility for your child without government intervention. Wow, what a concept.


thats the thing you are not getting. Not everyone in the world is smart enough to do that. Again why "big brother" steps in to do something about it. There shouldn't be any laws in this world. But because we are not that bright there has to be law. Or else there would be mass chaos.

Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals, including 43 known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and 400 other toxins. These include nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT.
Nicotine is highly addictive. Smoke containing nicotine is inhaled into the lungs, and the nicotine reaches your brain in just six seconds.

Nicotine in small doses acts as a stimulant to the brain. In large doses, it's a depressant, inhibiting the flow of signals between nerve cells. In even larger doses, it's a lethal poison, affecting the heart, blood vessels, and hormones. Nicotine in the bloodstream acts to make the smoker feel calm.

As a cigarette is smoked, the amount of tar inhaled into the lungs increases, and the last puff contains more than twice as much tar as the first puff. Carbon monoxide makes it harder for red blood cells to carry oxygen throughout the body. Tar is a mixture of substances that together form a sticky mass in the lungs.

Most of the chemicals inhaled in cigarette smoke stay in the lungs. The more you inhale, the better it feels�and the greater the damage to your lungs.

I know I dont want to be breathing in that shit

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Originally posted by Inrush [quote]thats the thing you are not getting. Not everyone in the world is smart enough to do that. Again why "big brother" steps in to do something about it. There shouldn't be any laws in this world. But because we are not that bright there has to be law. Or else there would be mass chaos.

I DO GET IT. The parent has the right to decide if a) it truly is a problem and b) whether or not they wish to address it.

More and more it sounds like you support giving up your children to the government until 18 since "not everyone in the world is smart enough". Because of course, the government is smart enough and you arent. Right?

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Originally posted by Inrush Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals, including 43 known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and 400 other toxins. These include nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT. Nicotine is highly addictive. Smoke containing nicotine is inhaled into the lungs, and the nicotine reaches your brain in just six seconds. Nicotine in small doses acts as a stimulant to the brain. In large doses, it's a depressant, inhibiting the flow of signals between nerve cells. In even larger doses, it's a lethal poison, affecting the heart, blood vessels, and hormones. Nicotine in the bloodstream acts to make the smoker feel calm. As a cigarette is smoked, the amount of tar inhaled into the lungs increases, and the last puff contains more than twice as much tar as the first puff. Carbon monoxide makes it harder for red blood cells to carry oxygen throughout the body. Tar is a mixture of substances that together form a sticky mass in the lungs. Most of the chemicals inhaled in cigarette smoke stay in the lungs. The more you inhale, the better it feels�and the greater the damage to your lungs. I know I dont want to be breathing in that shit

could you at least quote your sources? If you dont, city hall will have to issue you a fine!

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Originally posted by Inrush Sure you can. "Um excuse me friend. Please dont smoke next to my child. Thank you." Taking responsibility for your child without government intervention. Wow, what a concept. thats the thing you are not getting. Not everyone in the world is smart enough to do that. Again why "big brother" steps in to do something about it. There shouldn't be any laws in this world. But because we are not that bright there has to be law. Or else there would be mass chaos.

if you are not "smart" enough to do that then a) you don't really feel its a serious danger to your kid or b) you are a terrible parent and you should give your kid up to someone with a brain.

I say we ban pigeons. They crap all over my balcony and pigeon poo is a health hazard. If we pass a law banning pigeons, it will solve the problem immediately and all our pigeon problems will be over. Any pigeon caught illegally breaking the pigeon ban will be subject to a $300 fine. It may not work entirely and enforcement will be a problem. But if it stops even just one pigeon from deficating on my balcony then it is worth it!

Support the pigeon ban. Let's show Toronto that we actually care about making it a better place for everyone!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I DO GET IT. The parent has the right to decide if a) it truly is a problem and b) whether or not they wish to address it. More and more it sounds like you support giving up your children to the government until 18 since "not everyone in the world is smart enough". Because of course, the government is smart enough and you arent. Right?

no caps please. We are just having a conversation.

The parent has the right to decide if a) it truly is a problem and b) whether or not they wish to address it.

If it will harm the kid in the process then they do not have the right to decide. Are you saying that you have the right to kill someone? because there are studies that have proven this about smoking and second hand smoke.. Untill we have more studies that say otherwise this is a fact.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced if you are not "smart" enough to do that then a) you don't really feel its a serious danger to your kid or b) you are a terrible parent and you should give your kid up to someone with a brain.

They should but they dont. I have seen this with my own eyes many of times.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I say we ban pigeons. They crap all over my balcony and pigeon poo is a health hazard. If we pass a law banning pigeons, it will solve the problem immediately and all our pigeon problems will be over. Any pigeon caught illegally breaking the pigeon ban will be subject to a $300 fine. It may not work entirely and enforcement will be a problem. But if it stops even just one pigeon from deficating on my balcony then it is worth it! Support the pigeon ban. Let's show Toronto that we actually care about making it a better place for everyone!

I fully support the banning of these diseased creatures.

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Originally posted by Inrush no caps please. We are just having a conversation. The parent has the right to decide if a) it truly is a problem and b) whether or not they wish to address it. If it will harm the kid in the process then they do not have the right to decide. Are you saying that you have the right to kill someone? because there are studies that have proven this about smoking and second hand smoke.. Untill we have more studies that say otherwise this is a fact.

Hey kids DUCK!! Here come's another drive by smoking!! LOL!

So its official. You would like everyone to give up their kids to the state to do whatever it is that they seem fit since parents "do not have the right to decide".

No problem. But please set up your society somewhere else and give me the option of whether or not id like to join it.

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Originally posted by Inrush They should but they dont. I have seen this with my own eyes many of times.

if you really feel they should then call child services on them and have the child removed from those awful parents.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced if you really feel they should then call child services on them and have the child removed from those awful parents.

Dont give them any ideas!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Dont give them any ideas!

I can just imagine the conversation

"Hello, child services"

"Hi, I want to report a case of child abuse."

"What seems to be the problem?"

"There are these parents letting someone smoke within 100 feet of their child and they won't tell them to stop smoking."

"Are you on crack?"

click

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I can just imagine the conversation "Hello, child services" "Hi, I want to report a case of child abuse." "What seems to be the problem?" "There are these parents letting someone smoke within 100 feet of their child and they won't tell them to stop smoking." "Are you on crack?" click

Sadly i think theyd actually investigate these days. A friend of mine had child services called on them because she picked up her kid and restrained him over her shoulder when he was crying because she wouldnt buy him a toy. They apparently said physical force should "never" be used.

And we wonder why society is falling apart?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Hey kids DUCK!! Here come's another drive by smoking!! LOL!

what are you five?

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So its official. You would like everyone to give up their kids to the state to do whatever it is that they seem fit since parents "do not have the right to decide". No problem. But please set up your society somewhere else and give me the option of whether or not id like to join it.

ok you are obviously not for a government and thats fine. Btw Its "If it will harm the kid in the process then they do not have the right to decide." Not "do not have the right to decide" please if you are going to take my quotes put the full quote in so it doesnt look like I was saying something else. I never said any of what you are saying. You would be a good researcher for mike moors movies. Give quotes but not the full quote so it seems like the person is saying something else.

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Originally posted by Inrush Its "If it will harm the kid in the process then they do not have the right to decide."

So lets list a few things that would harm a kid.
- alcohol
- vehicle exhaust
- peanut butter
- household cleaners
- dogs
- sugar
- meat
- pesticides
- anything sharp

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced So lets list a few things that would harm a kid. - alcohol - vehicle exhaust - peanut butter - household cleaners - dogs - sugar - meat - pesticides - anything sharp

Ok this is just ridiculous now. All I am saying is i am for the smoke ban. Thats what the topic was for not peanut butter. so thats my stand. And I cant wait till the day that smoking is gone for good.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced So lets list a few things that would harm a kid. - alcohol - vehicle exhaust - peanut butter - household cleaners - dogs - sugar - meat - pesticides - anything sharp

BAN IT ALL!

I guess its different when you know someone that has been directly affected by second hand smoke

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Originally posted by Inrush Ok this is just ridiculous now. All I am saying is i am for the smoke ban. Thats what the topic was for not peanut butter. so thats my stand. And I cant wait till the day that smoking is gone for good.

so what makes it alright to ban smoking compared to banning fast food or vehicle emissions?

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced so what makes it alright to ban smoking compared to banning fast food or vehicle emissions?

what makes anything right? this can spin out to anything. Thats way im saying this thread is getting out of control.

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Originally posted by Inrush I guess its different when you know someone that has been directly affected by second hand smoke

I have relatives that have died from smoking and second hand smoke....but I still don't see why the government has a right to say smoker's can't smoke outside. People have choices and the government should allow them to make those choices. The only thing the government should be doing is providing people with the material to educate themselves about smoking and second hand smoking. If the government truly wanted people to quit smoking then they would offer free services to help people quit.

The government has no interest in people quiting but they want to make the whiners happy by banning people from smoking everywhere. The reason smokers are not up in arms about all this is because they already know...deep down...they shouldn't smoke.

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