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Never used the 800, but someone said the build quality of pioneers is plasticy?

I do not know about their newer mixers that much but the 300/500/600 were fucking tanks, all metals except the pot and fader knobs. There was a reason that the 600 could basically be seen in every photo from pretty much any club in the mid-90's to about 2003 or so. Even now its not uncommon to find a 600 at events. The things are built to last.

Sound quality is a fairly moot point too unless all you do is record to an mp3 in your bedroom as most huge club systems you are not going to notice the differnce in sound between a Pioneer and an A&H.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Never used the 800, but someone said the build quality of pioneers is plasticy? I do not know about their newer mixers that much but the 300/500/600 were fucking tanks, all metals except the pot and fader knobs. There was a reason that the 600 could basically be seen in every photo from pretty much any club in the mid-90's to about 2003 or so. Even now its not uncommon to find a 600 at events. The things are built to last. Sound quality is a fairly moot point too unless all you do is record to an mp3 in your bedroom as most huge club systems you are not going to notice the differnce in sound between a Pioneer and an A&H.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Never used the 800, but someone said the build quality of pioneers is plasticy? I do not know about their newer mixers that much but the 300/500/600 were fucking tanks, all metals except the pot and fader knobs.

The 800 is just as well built as the 600, just with much better sound quality and more features. The CDJs are plasticy, but the mixers all seem to be a lot heavier duty.

Not really sure why you say that you won't notice the difference between a 600 and an A&H in a bedroom but you would in club..... with the available speaker and amplifier hardware that most of us have access to these days, putting together a relatively high quality sound system is not to difficult to achieve.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

And you do?

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister The 800 is just as well built as the 600, just with much better sound quality and more features. The CDJs are plasticy, but the mixers all seem to be a lot heavier duty. Not really sure why you say that you won't notice the difference between a 600 and an A&H in a bedroom but you would in club..... with the available speaker and amplifier hardware that most of us have access to these days, putting together a relatively high quality sound system is not to difficult to achieve.

I said in a club you wont notice the difference as most systems besides really really nice ones are not tuned in a way that you would notice the minute difference.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I said in a club you wont notice the difference as most systems besides really really nice ones are not tuned in a way that you would notice the minute difference.

if you could hear how almost any system sounds with each one, i guarantee you the differences would not be minute

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Originally posted by Allied Nations if you could hear how almost any system sounds with each one, i guarantee you the differences would not be minute

I have heard both A&H and Pioneers on different systems and have noticed no discernible difference.

I doubt in a packed club with 200-300 or more bodies at ear blistering decibels you could even begin to tell.

Yes you can.

Regardless of club systems, as personal preference, I've played on the 800 loads and the 92 loads.

The 4 channel EQ curves on the 92 are fucking brilliant. I know exactly how to shape the sound with them, I know exactly which knob will reduce what, and it really just adds another level of control. The 800's eq knobs feel like eq three in ableton, i.e., faders for each band, which is not how the 92 works. I feel like on the whole, the 92 is just more precise and unforgiving. It does exactly what you tell it to do, whereas with the 800 I feel like when I drop the low end in it adds some highs...

I can get what I want out of both, I just have more fun with the 92...

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Originally posted by chesco Yes you can.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby And you do?

yeah, he does.

I haven't used this but I was thinking of buying it?
Is it that bad?

It's a good mixer. Play with one first and you'll see.

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Originally posted by Existo22 I haven't used this but I was thinking of buying it? Is it that bad?

for fucks sake, it's not that bad. people are making this thing out to be a god damn behringer djx700 when really it's quite a solid piece of gear if you take care of it.

honestly, i'd go A&H, but there is really nothing wrong with going pioneer for the effects, you're mixing in your bedroom, oh god, all those invisible people in your bedroom won't be enjoying your mix because it's not A&H sound quality. give me a break. you're mixing in your bedroom, not fucking cocoon club

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Originally posted by jupiterone for fucks sake, it's not that bad. people are making this thing out to be a god damn behringer djx700 when really it's quite a solid piece of gear if you take care of it. honestly, i'd go A&H, but there is really nothing wrong with going pioneer for the effects, you're mixing in your bedroom, oh god, all those invisible people in your bedroom won't be enjoying your mix because it's not A&H sound quality. give me a break. you're mixing in your bedroom, not fucking cocoon club

/thread already.

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Originally posted by jupiterone for fucks sake, it's not that bad. people are making this thing out to be a god damn behringer djx700 when really it's quite a solid piece of gear if you take care of it. honestly, i'd go A&H, but there is really nothing wrong with going pioneer for the effects, you're mixing in your bedroom, oh god, all those invisible people in your bedroom won't be enjoying your mix because it's not A&H sound quality. give me a break. you're mixing in your bedroom, not fucking cocoon club

Actually is that bad simply because of the quality vs cost ratio. For that money the DJM800 should bring you a fucking cup of tea in the morning and have your dinner waiting when you get home.

Ok, it's not that bad a mixer but it really isn't that great.

It's build quality is average at best (but better than the abysmal 500/600), the EQ is OK if a little unprecise and broad, the FX are toys, the faders don't last and all this for the privilege of shelling out $1300!!!

Don't get me wrong - pioneer CDJ's are clearly the best choice for CD decks - they really got them right and are reasonable on pricing vs. quality and function.

But with the 800 You are paying for all marketing that pioneer do.

Allen and Heath have way better sonic and build quality, faders that don't bleed and they don't sound like crap when shit DJ's redline them for the whole set (as often happens with DJM's).

Id argue about the 500/600 build quality. I have dropped my 500 down a flight of concrete stairs and it barely got a scratch and works fine...

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Actually is that bad simply because of the quality vs cost ratio. For that money the DJM800 should bring you a fucking cup of tea in the morning and have your dinner waiting when you get home. Ok, it's not that bad a mixer but it really isn't that great. It's build quality is average at best (but better than the abysmal 500/600), the EQ is OK if a little unprecise and broad, the FX are toys, the faders don't last and all this for the privilege of shelling out $1300!!! Don't get me wrong - pioneer CDJ's are clearly the best choice for CD decks - they really got them right and are reasonable on pricing vs. quality and function. But with the 800 You are paying for all marketing that pioneer do. Allen and Heath have way better sonic and build quality, faders that don't bleed and they don't sound like crap when shit DJ's redline them for the whole set (as often happens with DJM's).

+1 - and I, like you, know the score.

Its got so bad now, that I have to put a big fucking sticker in the console by the meters saying words to the effect of ' do not redline the master' or am continually havng to turn it down.(Some DJs are ok- a lot of the A listers tend to be very consistent and well behaved) It sounds SO bad when it hits the red that thing. And the Eq is awful.
The absolute worst thing on them though, is the faders. Terrible build quality...

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Id argue about the 500/600 build quality. I have dropped my 500 down a flight of concrete stairs and it barely got a scratch and works fine...

My mate who is a light use bedroom DJ (at best) had no end of problems with his 500. The headphone cue pan started to crackle after 3 months and the faders followed shortly after. He got it replaced under warranty only for the next one to develop problems too. Honestly, I probably know 5 other DJ's who had similar (unaceptable) stories.

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Originally posted by Freak +1 - and I, like you, know the score. Its got so bad now, that I have to put a big fucking sticker in the console by the meters saying words to the effect of ' do not redline the master' or am continually havng to turn it down.(Some DJs are ok- a lot of the A listers tend to be very consistent and well behaved) It sounds SO bad when it hits the red that thing. And the Eq is awful. The absolute worst thing on them though, is the faders. Terrible build quality...

You know it........long time no hear by the way? When you in town?

I was at this bar a week ago and DJ before us redlined the thing so bad and the owner kept telling him for to for that exact reason, and in the he just had to turn it down. So when it's may mates turn, he's got the levels correct on his first track and it's so fucking quiet the crowd nearly stops dancing. The owner had fucked off by this point meaning we didn't have access to the zoning amps so we had to red line the mixer for the rest of the evening - so now I truly fucking hate the sound of a redlined DJM800.


Everyone who is reading this - fuck both the A&H + DJM's - get a good mixer: Japanese made Vestax (you know the score...)

I had to have my 800 replaced 3 times.....in one month. Literally. The 92 replaced it and hadn't looked back since....

Lol. After reading this thread I don't think I want a 800 anymore.

Overpriced, and sound quality is not on par for cost...and lastly the faders are shit. Penny & Giles faders ftw!

it goes ecler -> A&H -> pioneer for me. I've never liked the feel or sound of the 800, it just feels really rigid and digital to me. I like my gear to have some give and flexibility to it. And the filters on the 800 really piss me off, the resonance is so high you just cant go past a certain point without making everybody deaf. I think eclers really are the best bang for the buck, but some people don't like the EQs. To each their own I suppose.

I've used the xone 62 and as well as a djm 800. I really have to go with the DJM 800 because of the response time when i am the transition between two tracks. Xone mixer does about the same, but why would anyone need 4 eqs? It is not necessary. I know a lot of you guys who said that Xone will give you the analog feel to your mix. Honestly, I do not hear the difference. DJM 800 for me.

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