wow... i can't believe this whole Hype around Obama. Big deal, the dude is black..

Let's elect a handicap in 4 year


I feel really bad for Obama... People expect waaay to much from him. and these expectations are based on nothing

i thought obama was only half black.
and i'm getting a big lol out of kenyans celebrating like obama is thier saviour too

so what if he is black? he NEVER compained as a Black candidate

honestly, leave this whole race crap out of it

for me personally, today is a big day, because there will be (hopefully!) a better governor for a huge country

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Originally posted by Yohan i thought obama was only half black.

It's a more "feel good" story if we just pretend he's fully black.

Whatever. This stupid discussion isn't going anywhere. Congrats to Obama. He clearly deserved it and I hope that he does a good job.

Re: Obama Inauguration (watch live here)

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Originally posted by Abercrombie http://www.princeton.edu/WebMedia/f...ion_panel.shtml Last edited by Swamper on Jan-20-2009 at 12:02

aaaawwwww Del!!!! I embedded it perfectly! It worked great on my browser! That link sux.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew so what if he is black? he NEVER compained as a Black candidate honestly, leave this whole race crap out of it

obama may have not made an issue out it, but certain people did...

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for me personally, today is a big day, because there will be (hopefully!) a better governor for a huge country

lol. you're not even a yank. is obama your personal saviour too?

the biggest political story for me today was that the cons and the libs are getting closer to a budget deal (see what I'm trying to drive at?)

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Originally posted by exstasie I guess I live in a different generation. I always grew up in a society that excepted everyone for who they were regardless of their colour or religion.

Are you kidding? Which planet do you come from that has this golden society that accepts everyone for who they are?

(assuming your typo on "excepted" is not intentional...?)

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Thats the problem right there....black people think its a big deal because he is black. Maybe they need to stop thinking in black and white....and start practicing what they preach to others....that they are humans just like everyone else.

That's an easy comment to make when 43 other white guys have been President. Obama is the first 'black' man to hold what is debatably the most powerful position in the Western conception of power. That serves as a statement and an example, and without a doubt makes today important.

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Originally posted by Sasha wow... i can't believe this whole Hype around Obama. Big deal, the dude is black.. Let's elect a handicap in 4 year

the US already had a handicap president....and he didn't even get a handicap parking spot.

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Originally posted by Gypsy That's an easy comment to make when 43 other white guys have been President. Obama is the first 'black' man to hold what is debatably the most powerful position in the Western conception of power. That serves as a statement and an example, and without a doubt makes today important.

was there that big of a hullabaloo when Margaret Thatcher became the PM of UK?

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Originally posted by Gypsy That's an easy comment to make when 43 other white guys have been President. Obama is the first 'black' man to hold what is debatably the most powerful position in the Western conception of power. That serves as a statement and an example, and without a doubt makes today important.

It shouldn't matter if he is black....haven't black people been fighting for them to not be pointed out as black people and to be treated the same as everyone else? Obama should be treated as any other President....and right now he isn't. A guy in my office building said Obama is the closest thing to a Saint that he will ever see....come on....he is the president of a country not Jesus...um...I mean Tiesto.

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Originally posted by Yohan was there that big of a hullabaloo when Margaret Thatcher became the PM of UK?

Irrelevant. I'm pretty sure the British didn't show up on Thatcher's ancestors doorstep to colonize her family.

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Originally posted by Gypsy Irrelevant. I'm pretty sure the British didn't show up on Thatcher's ancestors doorstep to colonize her family.

how is one relevant and the other not.......they were/are both from a minority group that was not seen as equals and both came to hold the most notable position in their countries.

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Originally posted by Gypsy Irrelevant. I'm pretty sure the British didn't show up on Thatcher's ancestors doorstep to colonize her family.

not irrelevant, if you want to compare minority elected as leading politician of a powerful nation

woman politician being elected as PM of one of the most powerful nations in the world in 1979. not relevant?

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced It shouldn't matter if he is black....haven't black people been fighting for them to not be pointed out as black people and to be treated the same as everyone else? Obama should be treated as any other President....and right now he isn't. A guy in my office building said Obama is the closest thing to a Saint that he will ever see....come on....he is the president of a country not Jesus...um...I mean Tiesto.

I agree with you about your co-workers statement being extreme. We shouldn't ascribe to the belief that Obama is a saint; that is taking the representation too far.

However that doesn't change the fact that for radicalized groups, the collective history of self-determination within American society is still in the process of being established

There are a few ways of looking at this.

Not only was this a celebration of the first black president, but the first president after George W. Bush. The man fucked the country hard, well not even their country but many other countries. The simple fact that Barack won on the votes of all races, shows this was not just about race, as it was about ushering in a person that people had more faith in.

This victory was amplified by the poor management of the country for the past eight years. No, there was no such fan fare for Bush, or Clinton's inauguration, just because the country was not in the sorry state it is in today.

If you are saying that 'who cares he is black, just another guy', what planet do you come from? Sure, we should be able to look past the colour of one's skin, and judge them on their merits as an individual, and their skills, but it does not happen as it should. Racial violence is still quite common in the United States, hell even blacks in Toronto have been racially profiled. For people who want to just live their lives, and be treated as regular people, and not by how much pigmentation they have in their skin, this is a concrete reminder that things are moving in the right direction.

Obama not only represents blacks, but a new breed of American citizen. One with a multinational, and multicultural background. He is from a single mother, and worked his way up. Up until now, it seemed as only power whites, with political backgrounds, and incredible wealth were able to finance a run for the presidency. No longer will people think you have to be wealthy. He raised most of his money online from a wide variety of sources, with regular people donating to his efforts. People can actually relate to the guy, that is the big deal.

Relatability is a huge factor here.

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Originally posted by Orko Obama not only represents blacks, but a new breed of American citizen. One with a multinational, and multicultural background. He is from a single mother, and worked his way up. Up until now, it seemed as only power whites, with political backgrounds, and incredible wealth were able to finance a run for the presidency. No longer will people think you have to be wealthy. He raised most of his money online from a wide variety of sources, with regular people donating to his efforts. People can actually relate to the guy, that is the big deal.

I think this is the most significant aspect and the one that deserves to be most celebrated.

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Originally posted by Yohan not irrelevant, if you want to compare minority elected as leading politician of a powerful nation woman politician being elected as PM of one of the most powerful nations in the world in 1979. not relevant?

The idea of female leadership is not a foreign concept to the Brits. They've come through the ages under the guidance of numerous Queens. Yes, Thatcher 'ruled' in a parliamentary context, but if you take the fundamentals, the position of leadership and it being held by a female, it still isn't the same as what's happening in the States.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I think this is the most significant aspect and the one that deserves to be most celebrated.

+1

His greatest accomplishments are what he's done and overcome in order to get into a position to even run for president...let alone get elected.

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Originally posted by Gypsy The idea of female leadership is not a foreign concept to the Brits. They've come through the ages under the guidance of numerous Queens. Yes, Thatcher 'ruled' in a parliamentary context, but if you take the fundamentals, the position of leadership and it being held by a female, it still isn't the same as what's happening in the States.

ohhhh... i like you

call me a cynic or whatever, but following points amuse me
-people who think Obama is their personal saviour or something, esp those that are not yanks (I'm looking at you esp, kenyans)
-people who expect Obama to singlehandedly make things right (high expectations usually means disappointment)
-people who treat Obama like some sort of superstar celebrity (he's a politician, not an entertainer)
-people who think the current 'recession' is like the Great Depression, and Obama to solve all their money problems
-people who make a big deal out of Obama being first black president (he's only half black)
-people who give Obama lots of brownie points for being a great orator (Adolf Hitler was one helluva orator too. Deeds, not words that matter)

just reading a bunch of internet forums and people flocking the TV to watch this, like they've never seen a Presidential inauguration before or something. Or expect Obama to be the next Jesus

it is lulz

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Does his skin colour make any difference in his ability to run the country? People are saying this is bringing together the human race....which is absolute bullshit....people who didn't like black people before this still don't like black people and black people who didn't like white people...guess what....still don't like white people. The past is the past...time to let go.

Spoken like a true middle class white man. It's important and significant because it has never happened before. Recording history is about recording those milestones that our society reaches. Like it or not, care or not, Obama as president of the USA is one of them.

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