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Posted by The17sss on Jan-22-2009 01:15:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
People expect him to not only turn the US Economy around but the entire world economy around.


haha... good point. Here's an immediate example from yesterday... the people of Kenya have spoken!

quote:
"This man is Jesus," shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. "When will he come to Kenya to save us?" If Barack Obama's spin doctors have been trying to lower expectations since his election victory, the message clearly has not reached the land of his father.

"Now he is president we will get food and jobs," said Ben Ochieng, as he danced to the traditional music that replaced the planned show. The Kenya National Theatre even revived its hit show Obama The Musical, which wowed sell-out audiences during the US election last year. It uses parallels with the Bible Story and Mr Obama's own struggles with racism and drugs � documented in his memoir Dreams From My Father - to portray the incoming President as a saviour for downtrodden peoples of the world.

"It is right that when people get power they look after their family, so we know that Obama will build lots of good things for us, like schools and roads and clinics," said George Opiyo as he left the theatre.




source--> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...icle5556295.ece


Posted by Domesticated on Jan-22-2009 01:21:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I have heard Obama being referred to as a saint, as a man who is bringing the human race together, and as the greatest leader ever. Peoples expectations are too high and they will quickly learn that he is none of these things. People expect him to not only turn the US Economy around but the entire world economy around. When he has to start moving away from promises he made and when people start seeing he isn't the next jesus...um I mean Tiesto....then we will see what kind of leader he is.


Okay, if you're saying he's going to "fail" at those things then you're probably correct. How can someone be "the greatest leader ever" when they haven't actually led yet? Some people are retarded.


Posted by CleverName on Jan-22-2009 02:13:

When in doubt, close with a quote from George Washington


Posted by nigelphoton on Jan-22-2009 03:31:

words are words

monumental times but what can he truly deliver.

the USA/UK is run by various secret societies and the fact that the Federal Reserve which prints all their money is a PRIVATE bank run by the richest families in the US means that he is ultimately controlled by them if not run by them in the first place.

Don't be fooled...


Posted by idoru on Jan-22-2009 03:35:

Re: words are words

quote:
Originally posted by nigelphoton
monumental times but what can he truly deliver.

the USA/UK is run by various secret societies and the fact that the Federal Reserve which prints all their money is a PRIVATE bank run by the richest families in the US means that he is ultimately controlled by them if not run by them in the first place.

Don't be fooled...


Also, aliens walk among us and Bush is responsible for 9/11.


Posted by Lira on Jan-22-2009 03:47:

Re: words are words

quote:
Originally posted by nigelphoton
monumental times but what can he truly deliver.

the USA/UK is run by various secret societies and the fact that the Federal Reserve which prints all their money is a PRIVATE bank run by the richest families in the US means that he is ultimately controlled by them if not run by them in the first place.

Don't be fooled...

Yeah, yeah, and the first oath was legally void because John Roberts failed to say the words properly

This is funny, actually


Posted by Kinezi on Jan-22-2009 03:49:

I havent read the speech, but yeah that guy looks really good.


Posted by Clovis on Jan-22-2009 04:03:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Obama has been left in a position where he is bound to fail...by no fault of his own. Peoples expectations are too high and he has been left to take over a country thats in worse shape then any of us can imagine.


That is al true, but failure is not inevitable. Things are dire, but we've survived and overcome many crisis in the past.

The people calling Obama jesus are just as stupid as those who called George Bush a clueless monkey.

Re, your original point, that the pretty speeches won't mean crap when he fails to deliver, you can't possibly know right now whether or not he will fail to deliver, (signs point to an excellent start judging by who he is surrounding himself with and early plans), and yeah, of course most people are fucking retarded and have ridiculous expectations, this is America after all, but that doesn't mean that intelligent people like myself and many others can't recognize the enormous potential of a man who is very fucking capable, very serious, and probably one of the finer presidential prospects we've had in years. Pretty speeches are where you start. Pretty speeches inspire people and motivate them, in dire times. Nothing George Bush has said in the last 4 years has done a thing for anyone, in reassurance, and in confidence, but everyone can get behind Obama because of that confidence that he inspires, and that is a good fucking place to start in the face of such disastrous situations.

There's no doubt in my mind that in 4 months the average Joe who was crying at the inauguration over Jesus is going to be like "wheres mah gad damn stimulus" and wondering why we don't live in a Utopia already. But the rest of us who actually have a brain will be able to more accurately measure his success, and parrying the insinuation that Obama is all talk and no substance is absurd at this point. He has demonstrated enormous substance to those in the know, and to people who follow politics and world affairs. The question is, is his ambition great enough to really implement the types of grandiose measures that are going to make a difference long after his term(s) end, and get the country back on track.


Posted by Clovis on Jan-22-2009 04:06:

One more thing, I really don't understand why it is so difficult for people from outside this country to understand why some of us are so god damned happy to have a president who is actually intelligent and thoughtful in the white house. We've had a complete imbecile in office for the last 8 years, I think we have a right to be a little happy.


Posted by woscar on Jan-22-2009 04:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
That is al true, but failure is not inevitable. Things are dire, but we've survived and overcome many crisis in the past.

The people calling Obama jesus are just as stupid as those who called George Bush a clueless monkey.

Re, your original point, that the pretty speeches won't mean crap when he fails to deliver, you can't possibly know right now whether or not he will fail to deliver, (signs point to an excellent start judging by who he is surrounding himself with and early plans), and yeah, of course most people are fucking retarded and have ridiculous expectations, this is America after all, but that doesn't mean that intelligent people like myself and many others can't recognize the enormous potential of a man who is very fucking capable, very serious, and probably one of the finer presidential prospects we've had in years. Pretty speeches are where you start. Pretty speeches inspire people and motivate them, in dire times. Nothing George Bush has said in the last 4 years has done a thing for anyone, in reassurance, and in confidence, but everyone can get behind Obama because of that confidence that he inspires, and that is a good fucking place to start in the face of such disastrous situations.

There's no doubt in my mind that in 4 months the average Joe who was crying at the inauguration over Jesus is going to be like "wheres mah gad damn stimulus" and wondering why we don't live in a Utopia already. But the rest of us who actually have a brain will be able to more accurately measure his success, and parrying the insinuation that Obama is all talk and no substance is absurd at this point. He has demonstrated enormous substance to those in the know, and to people who follow politics and world affairs. The question is, is his ambition great enough to really implement the types of grandiose measures that are going to make a difference long after his term(s) end, and get the country back on track.


Nail hit on the head.


Posted by fbgdavidson on Jan-22-2009 04:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
That is al true, but failure is not inevitable. Things are dire, but we've survived and overcome many crisis in the past.

The people calling Obama jesus are just as stupid as those who called George Bush a clueless monkey.

Re, your original point, that the pretty speeches won't mean crap when he fails to deliver, you can't possibly know right now whether or not he will fail to deliver, (signs point to an excellent start judging by who he is surrounding himself with and early plans), and yeah, of course most people are fucking retarded and have ridiculous expectations, this is America after all, but that doesn't mean that intelligent people like myself and many others can't recognize the enormous potential of a man who is very fucking capable, very serious, and probably one of the finer presidential prospects we've had in years. Pretty speeches are where you start. Pretty speeches inspire people and motivate them, in dire times. Nothing George Bush has said in the last 4 years has done a thing for anyone, in reassurance, and in confidence, but everyone can get behind Obama because of that confidence that he inspires, and that is a good fucking place to start in the face of such disastrous situations.

There's no doubt in my mind that in 4 months the average Joe who was crying at the inauguration over Jesus is going to be like "wheres mah gad damn stimulus" and wondering why we don't live in a Utopia already. But the rest of us who actually have a brain will be able to more accurately measure his success, and parrying the insinuation that Obama is all talk and no substance is absurd at this point. He has demonstrated enormous substance to those in the know, and to people who follow politics and world affairs. The question is, is his ambition great enough to really implement the types of grandiose measures that are going to make a difference long after his term(s) end, and get the country back on track.


+1465739563


Posted by Lira on Jan-22-2009 04:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
That is al true, but failure is not inevitable. Things are dire, but we've survived and overcome many crisis in the past.

The people calling Obama jesus are just as stupid as those who called George Bush a clueless monkey.

Re, your original point, that the pretty speeches won't mean crap when he fails to deliver, you can't possibly know right now whether or not he will fail to deliver, (signs point to an excellent start judging by who he is surrounding himself with and early plans), and yeah, of course most people are fucking retarded and have ridiculous expectations, this is America after all, but that doesn't mean that intelligent people like myself and many others can't recognize the enormous potential of a man who is very fucking capable, very serious, and probably one of the finer presidential prospects we've had in years. Pretty speeches are where you start. Pretty speeches inspire people and motivate them, in dire times. Nothing George Bush has said in the last 4 years has done a thing for anyone, in reassurance, and in confidence, but everyone can get behind Obama because of that confidence that he inspires, and that is a good fucking place to start in the face of such disastrous situations.

There's no doubt in my mind that in 4 months the average Joe who was crying at the inauguration over Jesus is going to be like "wheres mah gad damn stimulus" and wondering why we don't live in a Utopia already. But the rest of us who actually have a brain will be able to more accurately measure his success, and parrying the insinuation that Obama is all talk and no substance is absurd at this point. He has demonstrated enormous substance to those in the know, and to people who follow politics and world affairs. The question is, is his ambition great enough to really implement the types of grandiose measures that are going to make a difference long after his term(s) end, and get the country back on track.

If I agreed with you more than I do now, I'd probably become American.

But I'd rather get rid of a nationality than acquire a new one


Posted by Clovis on Jan-22-2009 04:34:

I'm also a French citizen you know


Posted by The17sss on Jan-22-2009 04:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
(signs point to an excellent start judging by who he is surrounding himself with and early plans)


you make some good points in that little monologue. Time will tell. To the point made above, what's your take on Geithner being appointed to Sec. of Treasury and blaming his $42,000 in taxes he never paid on his inability to navagate Turbo Tax? Would you agree that, because the Treasury Secretary essentially runs the IRS, perhaps there should be a different appointment made for this position??


Posted by Lira on Jan-22-2009 04:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
I'm also a French citizen you know

Does that mean you want me to have three different citizenships!?


Posted by ziptnf on Jan-22-2009 04:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
That is al true, but failure is not inevitable. Things are dire, but we've survived and overcome many crisis in the past.

The people calling Obama jesus are just as stupid as those who called George Bush a clueless monkey.

Re, your original point, that the pretty speeches won't mean crap when he fails to deliver, you can't possibly know right now whether or not he will fail to deliver, (signs point to an excellent start judging by who he is surrounding himself with and early plans), and yeah, of course most people are fucking retarded and have ridiculous expectations, this is America after all, but that doesn't mean that intelligent people like myself and many others can't recognize the enormous potential of a man who is very fucking capable, very serious, and probably one of the finer presidential prospects we've had in years. Pretty speeches are where you start. Pretty speeches inspire people and motivate them, in dire times. Nothing George Bush has said in the last 4 years has done a thing for anyone, in reassurance, and in confidence, but everyone can get behind Obama because of that confidence that he inspires, and that is a good fucking place to start in the face of such disastrous situations.

There's no doubt in my mind that in 4 months the average Joe who was crying at the inauguration over Jesus is going to be like "wheres mah gad damn stimulus" and wondering why we don't live in a Utopia already. But the rest of us who actually have a brain will be able to more accurately measure his success, and parrying the insinuation that Obama is all talk and no substance is absurd at this point. He has demonstrated enormous substance to those in the know, and to people who follow politics and world affairs. The question is, is his ambition great enough to really implement the types of grandiose measures that are going to make a difference long after his term(s) end, and get the country back on track.

I think you're absolutely right. People's skepticism of Obama gets in the way of the fact that they have no idea who else could do this job. He has only been in office for one day, and he's made his entire government transparent, and is meeting with Iraq generals tomorrow to look at an exit strategy. What else is he supposed to be doing, curing cancer?


Posted by Sushipunk on Jan-22-2009 04:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Kinezi


Why are you using my Christmas avatar?


Posted by Sukhoi29SU on Jan-22-2009 05:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
intelligent people like myself


mmm hmmmm.....

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
but everyone can get behind Obama because of that confidence that he inspires, and that is a good fucking place to start in the face of such disastrous situations.


Koresh instilled confidence in a lot of people, too. I'm missing the logic in your argument. Other than being a great public speaker with an obvious ability to persuade, what has Obama accomplished in his political career that would make you believe he'll be a good president?


Posted by nchs09 on Jan-22-2009 05:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU
mmm hmmmm.....



Koresh instilled confidence in a lot of people, too. I'm missing the logic in your argument. Other than being a great public speaker with an obvious ability to persuade, what has Obama accomplished in his political career that would make you believe he'll be a good president?
Hey, its this idiot again... welcome back.


Posted by Clovis on Jan-22-2009 06:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU
mmm hmmmm.....



Koresh instilled confidence in a lot of people, too. I'm missing the logic in your argument. Other than being a great public speaker with an obvious ability to persuade, what has Obama accomplished in his political career that would make you believe he'll be a good president?


Fuck off you moron.

I'm not even wasting my time with your ignorant ass.


Posted by Clovis on Jan-22-2009 06:06:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
you make some good points in that little monologue. Time will tell. To the point made above, what's your take on Geithner being appointed to Sec. of Treasury and blaming his $42,000 in taxes he never paid on his inability to navagate Turbo Tax? Would you agree that, because the Treasury Secretary essentially runs the IRS, perhaps there should be a different appointment made for this position??


I haven't read the specifics of that, and if that really is his defense, it is pretty stupid (though I have trouble with turbo tax myself lol), but he has paid all of it back.

I don't know enough about Geithner to maker a judgement on that, I agree that it does seem iffy.


Posted by bas on Jan-22-2009 06:07:

quote:
Originally posted by fbgdavidson
He's lost a lot of weight...and about 20yrs. Go Jon!

You win this round -_-


Posted by sean5 on Jan-22-2009 06:32:

great public speaker? apparently people haven't heard him when he doesn't have a pre-written speech or a teleprompter. he rivals stuttering john when met with a tough question and then he doesn't answer it. the cult of obama is a symbol of just how powerful the media is and why it needs to be stopped.


Posted by infinity HiGH on Jan-22-2009 06:34:

You guys think his speech was great? lol you're all bigger tools than I thought then. His speech was nothing more than the same old diatribe that's been said by every President before him. I guess since Obama uses his hands to "pin-point/underline" certain sentences it makes him sound more "genuine." This is deja vu.

Thanks for playing! Come back in another 4 years

quote:
Originally posted by sean5
great public speaker? apparently people haven't heard him when he doesn't have a pre-written speech or a teleprompter. he rivals stuttering john when met with a tough question and then he doesn't answer it. the cult of obama is a symbol of just how powerful the media is and why it needs to be stopped.




Yea let's whip up some random clips to back up an argument.


Posted by Clovis on Jan-22-2009 06:35:

quote:
Originally posted by sean5
great public speaker? apparently people haven't heard him when he doesn't have a pre-written speech or a teleprompter. he rivals stuttering john when met with a tough question and then he doesn't answer it. the cult of obama is a symbol of just how powerful the media is and why it needs to be stopped.



Don't confuse stuttering with constructing well rounded and thoughtful replies to complex issues, even when they are presented as simple black & whites.

If you want proof watch Obama's answers at the first Saddleback Church debate with Warren. That isn't stuttering, thats demonstrating that he understands the breadth of the issues.


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