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Originally posted by dannib I wont go into to vengeance ripping sounds again in this thread. use the search to find a long thread on that subject. @Derail. I am comparing an empirical labs distressor and API 525 with all of the UAD plugins and the waves C1. Try running a standard kick drum through the c1. After a couple of db of gain reduction i can clearly hear the low end being affected. If you then bring up the make up gain to match the original uncompressed signal, the compressed signal may sound somewhat louder and punchier but the original source has a more rounder and deeper bass content. You can double check this with a spectrum analyser. When dialing in similar settings with the distressor or API the compressed signal still retains the bass content and sounds more "real". Its hard to explain until you compare them yourself.

Interesting stuff - any chance you could post some sound examples?
Like say a loop or a kick ran through a C1, then through your Empirical Labs distressor? would be interesting to have a listen, thanks

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Originally posted by dannib I wont go into to vengeance ripping sounds again in this thread. use the search to find a long thread on that subject. @Derail. I am comparing an empirical labs distressor and API 525 with all of the UAD plugins and the waves C1. Try running a standard kick drum through the c1. After a couple of db of gain reduction i can clearly hear the low end being affected. If you then bring up the make up gain to match the original uncompressed signal, the compressed signal may sound somewhat louder and punchier but the original source has a more rounder and deeper bass content. You can double check this with a spectrum analyser. When dialing in similar settings with the distressor or API the compressed signal still retains the bass content and sounds more "real". Its hard to explain until you compare them yourself.

I got EL Distressor on the shopping list.....and I use the C1 a lot, and have noticed the same thing you speak of, the C1 isn't so nice to low end freqs. So i'd like to hear a comparison as well.

i will try and get something uploaded either tomorrow or sunday.

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Originally posted by dannib i will try and get something uploaded either tomorrow or sunday.

Thanks

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Contrary to popular belief.. Manuel doesn't rip his sounds off people, people just use them a lot. If you check the release dates for whatever you think he ripped, you'll probably find the Vengeance CD came out first.

True, if you watch future music producer videos you will see many pros uses vengeance samples and many straight percussion and hihat loops. So they dont even bother to do own hihat patterns. So people why dont you use methods what sounds best and grow up and stop judging things you dont know. Manuel is nice guy btw..

LOL



Or for god sakes check your sources and read in on the subjects before you start talking shit.

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Originally posted by dannib i will try and get something uploaded either tomorrow or sunday.

thx

I hate compression with passion. I dial a random setting and it doesn't make my track sound tighter.

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Originally posted by dannib i will try and get something uploaded either tomorrow or sunday.

that's great! a distressor is something i'm looking at since some time

Since I stopped compressing the shit out of things people have stopped saying my mixes suck! All I do if I do need to keep levels in check is have a multiband gently compress the master channel.

Although can anyone tell me why when I upload a mp3 to myspace it sounds over compressed and watery ??

The same file sounds ok but just not on myspace. You can see the effect by looking at the track i have posted in the promotion forum then checkin the one on myspace www.myspace.com/richardwilson.

Before u jump on i am not promoting there is a real diff between them almost distortion on myspace.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Or for god sakes check your sources and read in on the subjects before you start talking shit.

So what part in my post was not true? They dont use vengeance samples? So every professional musician/producer make their own samples? Im curious tell me...
And for the subject i already post an answer before. Are you hired here for somekind of forum police to tell people when they can talk or not. Typical weed smoker....

I think you've missed the point Notle.

Vengeance samples are ripped from other people. FACT. It's quite clear that a lot were taken from existing songs, made by other producers.

So therefore it is not "TRUE" as stated in your post that the Vengeance CD come out first, even if you do see FM tutorials with producers using (btw, that doesn't mean they're not ripped from other peoples tracks ).

Also, what you're trying to justify with your posts is that producers use samples so why can't he (manuel) rip them off someone else? That's because samples are bought and used by people to making songs, and Manuel is making money by ripping off other peoples songs. But than again, there's no law against it, as most percussion loops can't be copywrited.

I'm sure manuel is a nice guy and I actually think the vengeance samples are good/useful, but please, don't believe the hype and do your homework before posting - it's all been posted here several times before.

What mister Rann said .

The true statement implies you would agree with the entire post mistycal ninja wrote, yet that post contains statements prestented as facts (which unfortunately are untrue).

Regarding insight on the subject:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d=&pagenumber=4

Somewhere on the bottom of this page is some interesting information.

Sorry for losing me temper on that last post but it's so frustrating to see people saying same (untrue) stuff over and over. Maybe I should just practice my ignoring skills.

Ok, thanks for cooling down, i get your point guys, maybe it was me then that didnt know the facts , oops New here. If he really does that then i understand anger towards him. I have to read that post about it..

I have anger towards him just because his packs are expensive and the samples never fit in my productions. Because they're over compressed and ripped from tracks. I actually wouldn't really care if they at least sounded good.

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Originally posted by dannib I wont go into to vengeance ripping sounds again in this thread. use the search to find a long thread on that subject. @Derail. I am comparing an empirical labs distressor and API 525 with all of the UAD plugins and the waves C1. Try running a standard kick drum through the c1. After a couple of db of gain reduction i can clearly hear the low end being affected. If you then bring up the make up gain to match the original uncompressed signal, the compressed signal may sound somewhat louder and punchier but the original source has a more rounder and deeper bass content. You can double check this with a spectrum analyser. When dialing in similar settings with the distressor or API the compressed signal still retains the bass content and sounds more "real". Its hard to explain until you compare them yourself.

Theres a very simple explanation for that I think. I imagine that the settings your using on the C1 involve a slightly longer attack, which means that the initial transient of the kick (which is quite clicky) is getting through, while the rest of the kick with the deeper parts is copping the volume loss. Incidentally, I'm not a fan of the C1 anyway.

Alternatively, the distressor isn't really a simple compressor, so it might include an increase in the mid bass frequencies and a bit of saturation.

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