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Originally posted by Lomeli I enjoy my iPhone. Does the G1 have apps like apple's phone?

Yes it does.

iTunes is shit
AppStore is no draw as Android has one too. It is called "Market."

Jesse: The G1 is a great phone, but not fully ready for prime-time in the opinion of some of my more geeky friends. The iPhone is nice, but it is very gimmicky. Something that most Americans fall for. It is also sandboxing you and only allowing you to do what Apple wants. The G1 is a lot less controlled. Not to say that it doesn't have its controls, but it is not overly controlled like the iPhone. No need to jailbreak and all that gay shit.

Also, as mentioned, iPhone has no MMS, copy/paste, video recording and a few other things that people want.

FUCK BOTH THE IPHONE and THE G1.

Woody, I was exactly in your dilemma a week ago and both these phones have serious faults.

Why not the iphone? You really want to pay $199 per month to have an Iphone? and god forbid you go abroad! I've got friends that came back home to $4k iphone bills! Dreadful battery life (charge everyday, and that means battery life will become very short in a few months). You have to pay for all apps. You'll probably shell out a shitload at signing the contract too.

Why not the g1 - you can't switch off the data - at all and all the hacks don't work, which means they force you buy their unlimited data package, but again guess what? when you go abroad...you still can't switch off the data and foreign/roaming data is not covered in the plan. T-MOBILE ACTUALLY ADVISE YOU NOT TO TAKE YOUR G1 WITH YOU ABROAD, becuase the moment you switch it on, you start paying. It's also still buggy, the keyboard feels cheap and can be unresponsive at times.

I'm a serious phone/pda geek, and have wasted far too much time on forums such as XDA and modaco, having owned several HTC, apple and palm devices........my new phone?

The Samsung Omnia (Verizon)



It's considerably smaller (and weighs far less) than the iphone and G1, has an 800mhz processor(!), the touchscreen is so smooth to use, there's lag time in using applications, it comes with 8gb or 16gb memory, there are thousands of free 3rd party apps, it has a 5mp camera with superbright LED flash, touchflo (that works), and is HSDPA (+HSUPA) enabled. It's also got built in GPS. It's also the fastest internet browser I've ever used outside of my home computer.
You can not only record video on it but also edit video on the damn thing!

Oh yeah, It also looks like sex in electronic form.

I got it for $149 and my line charges are less than $100 per month with unlimited data. Verizon has also been way better in terms of reception and customer service compared to T-mobile (my previous carrier).

Seriously, go to a verizon store and play with it. You'll end up walking out with one.

Verizon sucks if you leave the US. Roaming is even WORSE with them. You have no service.

I actually got to use the Omnia. The touchscreen sensitivity annoyed me. Maybe it was the calibration though, I dunno. I was very annoyed with it.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN FUCK BOTH THE IPHONE and THE G1.

LOL!!!! That was great

not sure about the global roaming, but I know they have service in the UK and western Europe, that's all I care about. The touchscreen is amazing on the omnia, it's more sensitive than on HTC devices, but you can adjust it and once you're used to it, it feels better than any other phone I've used.

The call quality on verizon is just in a different league to shitty t-mobile too.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN not sure about the global roaming, but I know they have service in the UK and western Europe, that's all I care about. The touchscreen is amazing on the omnia, it's more sensitive than on HTC devices, but you can adjust it and once you're used to it, it feels better than any other phone I've used. The call quality on verizon is just in a different league to shitty t-mobile too.

Verizon has NO coverage in UK and Europe. I used to issue their phones every day. You have to get a "global" phone. What does that mean? It means it is a CDMA and GSM hybrid.

Verizon is PURE CDMA1x EVDO rev B on their fastest networks and just CDMA1x in their slowest networks. No analog in service.

3G GSM is Wideband CDMA but this is incompatible with the straight CDMA networks.

/nerd

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Verizon has NO coverage in UK and Europe. I used to issue their phones every day. You have to get a "global" phone. What does that mean? It means it is a CDMA and GSM hybrid. Verizon is PURE CDMA1x EVDO rev B on their fastest networks and just CDMA1x in their slowest networks. No analog in service. 3G GSM is Wideband CDMA but this is incompatible with the straight CDMA networks. /nerd

True, but as a business customer they'll lend me a global phone for free when I go abroad and I get to keep my number (unlike t-mob flexpay where I have to buy a local sim to have service abroad)

I wasn't actually going for verizon until I used a friends phone for a day or so and the quality was just so much better. Then I relaized that the line charges were the same as T-mob. With T-mobile, the moment I left Los Angeles, I got in to (large) no service areas and even when I sitting at home sometimes I couldn't get a signal. They also fucked up the porting of my number and they were always making mistakes with my plan etc. Their phone range sucks hard - it's like walking in to a phone store from the early 90's. Just way too much bullshit with them, too often.

As I'm sure you know (cos you know more than me on this) CDMA and GSM
is being replaced (kind of) in 2010 anyway so verizon are better placed because of their CDMA infrastructure to cope with this upgrade.

Anyway, seriously, I know you're a HTC man, but my Omnia truly kicks the shit out of my Kaiser. It makes it look slow, unresponsive, buggy, large and under equipped, and the kaiser is arguably the best phone HTC has made to date.

I really hated the G1 - it feels so cheap and android is allover the place and I refuse to pay the sort of charges AT&T are suckering people into.

Nah the Touch Pro is the best HTC device to date.

Also, the Omnia has a 624mhz PXA312 (Formerly an Intel venture, later sold to Marvell) which is MUCH more responsive than ARM based cpus that the MSM Qualcomm chipsets are based around HTC uses. Comparing them architecturally is quite hard because of this. The PXA cpus are WAY better than the ARM cpus HTC uses with WinCE as they were designed for this. Sadly, HTC more than likely will not abandon their bread and butter chipsets since they are so heavily invested in that development.

The Verizon network will not really be any better than the worlds when they do go to LTE for 4g. The LTE prep is already going on in Europe. Siemens completed real world tests with a 30km2 site iirc. The hardware is quite close to being ready on the network side.

When did they start the business lending thing? My former rep never told me about this. We had to purchase a few 8830s so that some people could go over seas. Then again, they already had BBs and wanted email access from over seas. That was probably the reason my rep never said anything. lol

One thing I have to disagree on as a consumer, is the price plans with Verizon. T-Mobile is by far THE cheapest post-paid company out there. I was just doing comparisons, and for my usage, etc, NO ONE comes close except Sprint, but that forgoes any of my texting to Canada for free. Plus my discount calling there too.

As an iPhone owner for several months now, I can clear up a few things:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Why not the iphone? You really want to pay $199 per month to have an Iphone? and god forbid you go abroad! I've got friends that came back home to $4k iphone bills!

Typical contract with AT&T is $39.99/mo for 450 mins/mo, $30 for data plan (mandatory with iPhone), and $5/mo for 200 text messages ($20 for unlimited texts). There are also family plans that may be a little cheaper if you're sharing lines. The minutes roll over each month, so take it easy at first and you'll be amazed at how they accumulate (or if they don't there's always the option to change to another plan without surcharge...you will pay for the extra minutes of course). So, we're talking $75 a month or so, not $199. Here's a link to the plans:

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...kage=sku3190234

From my research, the best way to eliminate charges when overseas is to pull the SIM card! Insert a paperclip into the small hole at the top of the iPhone and pop out the SIM card holder. Put the SIM in a secure place and put the SIM holder back into phone.

Though I haven't actually done this, the iPhone is still supposed to work anywhere there's wifi for free, and I have read that some people Skype out using wifi to make calls back to the USA for 2-3 cents a minute! Internet surfing should work also. It also still plays music, etc. With the SIM out of the phone, I don't see how AT&T could possibly charge you anything, since they don't know who you are!

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Dreadful battery life (charge everyday, and that means battery life will become very short in a few months). You have to pay for all apps. You'll probably shell out a shitload at signing the contract too.

There are some easy ways to extend battery life: Turn wifi search off (just use it whenever you actually want to use wifi), turn location service off (just use it when you want GPS). I do charge the battery nightly, but it rarely needs recharging otherwise during normal use. If you're surfing the web for hours, just plug it into a USB or car charger for 30 mins or so and you're all set again.

If your battery life drops by 50% or more the first year, I believe Apple will replace it for free. You can also buy a reasonable SquareTrade warranty that will extend this protection and cover other mishaps for 3 years. AT&T does not provide insurance for the iPhone, so I recommend the SquareTrade warranty if you're looking to insure it.

You do not have to pay for all aps. All of my aps are free, and I have at least 25 on my iPhone. My favorite is Shazam. If you like a song at the club, just record video/audio with a camera for at least 30 seconds. Hold your iphone up to the audio next day and it's very likely that Shazam will ID your track within a minute or two! Shazam might also work just holding up the phone in the club, not sure, but I don't want to blow my microphone trying...

I like the iPhone a lot, don't know what I ever did without it. Biggest drawback is that AT&T has a very poor signal at both my home and work. From what I've read, it's AT&T's problem, not Apple's, and they're working on getting more/better transmitters. Until then, the actual phone part of my iPhone leaves something to be desired in these areas.

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Originally posted by in2muzikk Typical contract with AT&T is $39.99/mo for 450 mins/mo, $30 for data plan (mandatory with iPhone), and $5/mo for 200 text messages ($20 for unlimited texts). There are also family plans that may be a little cheaper if you're sharing lines. The minutes roll over each month, so take it easy at first and you'll be amazed at how they accumulate (or if they don't there's always the option to change to another plan without surcharge...you will pay for the extra minutes of course). So, we're talking $75 a month or so, not $199. Here's a link to the plans: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...kage=sku3190234 From my research, the best way to eliminate charges when overseas is to pull the SIM card! Insert a paperclip into the small hole at the top of the iPhone and pop out the SIM card holder. Put the SIM in a secure place and put the SIM holder back into phone. Though I haven't actually done this, the iPhone is still supposed to work anywhere there's wifi for free, and I have read that some people Skype out using wifi to make calls back to the USA for 2-3 cents a minute! Internet surfing should work also. It also still plays music, etc. With the SIM out of the phone, I don't see how AT&T could possibly charge you anything, since they don't know who you are! There are some easy ways to extend battery life: Turn wifi search off (just use it whenever you actually want to use wifi), turn location service off (just use it when you want GPS). I do charge the battery nightly, but it rarely needs recharging otherwise during normal use. If you're surfing the web for hours, just plug it into a USB or car charger for 30 mins or so and you're all set again.

Without jailbreaking, there is no skype out.

With iPhone 3g, there is no permanent unlock to use other SIM cards yet.

You should NEVER charge li-on batteries if they are more than 25% charged, if you want to get the most from your battery. You should always drain the battery as low as you can before charging.

The pricing plans he was looking at are massive shared plans. So the $199 a month is reasonable.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel You should NEVER charge li-on batteries if they are more than 25% charged, if you want to get the most from your battery. You should always drain the battery as low as you can before charging.

This bit is incorrect. Li-ion batteries do not experience a memory effect. You do not have to discharge them all the way before charging.

This was the problem with old Ni-Cd Nickel Cadmium batteries.

Li-ion batteries HATE heat. Just keep the devices cool or battery life will suffer dramatically. It is also recommended that you do not store devices at 100% charge. It is better to keep them at 60% or so for storage.

I have iPhone 3G. The app store makes the phone a new gadget anytime you feel like it. I used the G1 and found the interface to be 'clunky'.

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Originally posted by GTUnit This bit is incorrect. Li-ion batteries do not experience a memory effect. You do not have to discharge them all the way before charging. This was the problem with old Ni-Cd Nickel Cadmium batteries. Li-ion batteries HATE heat. Just keep the devices cool or battery life will suffer dramatically. It is also recommended that you do not store devices at 100% charge. It is better to keep them at 60% or so for storage.

Ahh I was unaware of that. Thanks!

I knew about the heat thing though. That is bad for ANY battery.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel With iPhone 3g, there is no permanent unlock to use other SIM cards yet.

were you unaware of this too?
it's a little card that slides under your sim card, unlocking your phone

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Originally posted by HotDogWater were you unaware of this too? it's a little card that slides under your sim card, unlocking your phone

Should I stress PERMANENT?

I was aware of those solutions. This stuff is old news. but that is not a permanent unlock solution.

He ended up getting the G1

The iPhone family plan I need is $199 a month. Remember, I was gonna get TWO iPhones, not one.

$109.99 - 2100 Family Minutes
$30 - Unlimited Family Messaging
$30 - Data Plan on iPhone 1
$30 - Data Plan on iPhone 2
---------------------------------
$199.99 - Total

Even if I changed my family minutes to 1400 min a month, my total would be $179.99. The only way my bill would be less than a $100 a month would be if I didn't get any minutes at all.

Anyhow, I ended up getting the G1. So far I love it. I can pretty much do almost anything the iPhone does, on the G1. There's even apps that do the text messaging using an interface similar to the iPhone. Hehehe

There's two draw backs... Lack of Games & Apps. There's lots of apps & games but not nearly as many as the iPhone. The MP3 Player interface is UGLY as fuck, but I'm sure I'll be able to download a better one. Hehehe

On the upside, I love the fact that I can stream LIVE internet broadcasts. So goodbye radio. Now my choices are endless. I can listen to DI or Proton Radio on my car!!! hehe

The GPS ROCKS!!!! Hehehe I tried it last night and it was awesome!

The interface is not the best, but it's not that bad either. It's totally customisable.

So far, it hasn't dissapointed me!!!

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Originally posted by HotDogWater were you unaware of this too? it's a little card that slides under your sim card, unlocking your phone

hmmmm...it's tempting to try this since I only need to use another SIM card for a short period of time while in Europe. The Lebara network isn't listed though, and far as I know it provides prepaid voice calls only (no data). The "overlay SIM card" site also says that you have to cut a small part of your original SIM card off, so "no modification necessary" isn't totally accurate.

Think I'll just use my iPhone without any SIM card at all on wifi networks and use my Lebara SIM card with my dinosaur Siemens A70 phone. That should give me calls back to the US for 4.5 cents a minute and free internet wherever I can find wifi, not a bad combination.

If anyone has actually done this, let me know though!

I had my G1 for less than 24hrs and I'm already looking into hacks for it! hahaha

Anyone know how to adjust the keyboard brightness?

Hehe

I just read that the G1 DOES Support Multi-Touch. But it's a hidden feature. However, there's tons of tutorials online that show you how to unlock it! hehe

The manager at the T-Mobile store was showing me some hacks. He changed my phone to always be on 3G by default instead of the phone choosing the strongest signal. But he wouldn't give me the hack, he did it for me. I wanna do that to my GF's G1 too!!!

He told me there was a hack for the keyboard brightness. Anyone know it?

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Originally posted by GTUnit This bit is incorrect. Li-ion batteries do not experience a memory effect. You do not have to discharge them all the way before charging. This was the problem with old Ni-Cd Nickel Cadmium batteries. Li-ion batteries HATE heat. Just keep the devices cool or battery life will suffer dramatically. It is also recommended that you do not store devices at 100% charge. It is better to keep them at 60% or so for storage.

That's what I thought too...I did read that they should be run down to about 10% once a month, but that's just to reset the battery indicator. Some article that I read also said to store them at 40% charge (outside the device if possible), but with those little battery level indicator displays, I'm sure that half charged is close enough!

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Originally posted by DjWoody I had my G1 for less than 24hrs and I'm already looking into hacks for it! hahaha Anyone know how to adjust the keyboard brightness? Hehe I just read that the G1 DOES Support Multi-Touch. But it's a hidden feature. However, there's tons of tutorials online that show you how to unlock it! hehe The manager at the T-Mobile store was showing me some hacks. He changed my phone to always be on 3G by default instead of the phone choosing the strongest signal. But he wouldn't give me the hack, he did it for me. I wanna do that to my GF's G1 too!!! He told me there was a hack for the keyboard brightness. Anyone know it?

XDA developers is your friend

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=447

The G1 is known as the "Dream". If there's a hack worth knowing it's on there. The multitouch thing is a strange one. Basically the screen is capacitance based (like iphone) so technically it can do it but there is no support in the os. It will take more than a hack - basically an addition to the OS or a another program. Check XDA....

@in2muzikk - You're not a "typical" plan or customer on at&t at $75 per month. In fact, without the added extras (and those are really necessities anyway) that's probably the cheapest plan AT&T do. I go through 450 minutes in about 2 weeks, and so do most people I know. The average cost for an AT&T customer per month is $95 pre tax (and that's a figure put out by them so I reckon it's actually a bit higher), which is more than twice the cost to their other non-iphone customers.

The turbosim iphone unlock hack (as it was know when it first came out) is a crap solution. For any hacks to the iphone, All apple has to do is release a firmware update and your fucked until someone gets a temporary hack out again, which apple can then defeat again quickly.

@ben - yeah, forgot about the touch pro (which is a great phone) but I didn't upgrade to it as it was only a marginal improvement over my kaiser for $600! it had no major changes (just bit more ram, slightly better screen etc.) apart from the tv out built in, which could actually be done with the kaiser anyway, and the faster processor was just eaten up by the heavier UI.

Basically may take is this on the provider available here:

T-Mobile - cheapest plans of all the carriers but poor range of phones (in general, excluding the g1) horrible call quality, most limited reception network and terrible customer service.

AT&T - most expensive plans of all carriers, good phone range, good reception network, bad customer service, decent call quality.

Verizon - second cheapest plans next to T-mob, best call quality, good network coverage, good phone range, good customer service.

The only one I don' know about is Sprint - anyone care to give their 2c? I also heard they are in danger of going out of business or getting swallowed by one of the other big boys.....

They're both better options than the Blackberry Storm

iPhone definitely.

and 3g can be unlocked now - everyone's happy.

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Originally posted by mdiddy iPhone definitely. and 3g can be unlocked now - everyone's happy.

Dude, read the posts. there is NO PERMANENT UNLOCK FOR THE IPHONE. Apple are only going to make it harder in future generations.

I really comtemplated this same situation about a month before the new IPhone came out....I ended up getting the Samsung Instinct on Sprint's service, and wasn't overly impressed the first month or so. Once they started coming out with updates, hacks, and a better web browser, this phone is great. I haven't had any problems, and once they finally came out with an Opera Mini version for the Instinct, surfing web pages is a breeze.....even easier than the IPhone IMO. The touch screen keyboard defaults to being used horizontally, which is WAY more convenient. GPS is solid as well, and I'm a big Apple fan from the get-go!

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