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I largely agree with you. People want to simplify things and sum up all of our nations problems by saying 'Bush is a moron. His fault'.

You're right it's the consumer's overuse of credit, along with stupid and irresponsible loans by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae (I think you can pin some of this on the Clinton administration who pushed to ease loan requirements in the 90's) thus leading to an unsustainable run up in housing prices. On top of that you had people taking out equity in their homes to buy more stuff on credit when prices were peaking...the bubble had to burst some time.

There is this powerful, seductive marketing message that we always are fed here in the US 'take it home now! pay later!' 'Doesn't your family deserve the best!' 'Look what your neighbors just bought!' ...We all gotta look out for ourselves and try to resist that message. It might not be as prevelant now, but you can bet it will be back and people will be falling for it all over again.

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Originally posted by blakh0rse Obama has nothing to do with the economy, Bush has nothing to do with the economy. Some might say that Clinton did had something to do with the economy. Either way, Obama isn't Jesus who's going to miraculously fix it. The economy isn't the government's, more like the bank's, thereby the people's own doing. It's called credit. When you let just anyone use it, things get bad. People will be people and you might see effects such as this one.

obama has been amazing so far

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This person is next:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/01/2...imes/index.html

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Originally posted by R!CH look, let's try and stay on the topic of slamming president obama for not delivering on every one of his campaign promises within 6 days of being in the white house.

Agreed. The guy even openly & honestly told us all that it's probably going take more than one presidential term to get the economy back on track. It's not going to get any better within a couple weeks of being in office. I have faith that every choice he makes is in good intentions and will eventually fix things.

thread jackin ftw???


As for the actual article. I'd say him getting fired was the last straw for a person who was obviously demented or had some serious issues.


ohh and the only presidency which displayed more incompetence than Bush's was probably Andrew Johnson...

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Originally posted by R!CH right josh? tasd?

can it be that they are one and the same...

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Originally posted by |Thrax| Believe me, this republic*n't won't shut his mouth. His is sad and delusional. Like Obama or Bush made him lose his job, this guy and his whole family are dead. It's unlikely he left a note relating to a political theorem, which is obviously what TASD is Implying. Sounds clearly mentally unstable.

+1. Thanks Chris for saying it. Those who remember the political "discussions" on here in the run up to the election, know this guy is completely delusional and total republicunt. Bill Clinton is a part to blame for the problems now, but bush had 8 long years to see the problems (housing boom beyond sustainable measures, supbrime super-inflation etc,) but was too concerned with catastrophic invasions of other countries. Bush had all the opportunity in world to do something about this and he actually did the opposite, and helped the USA get to the sate it is now.

As for the whole issue seductive marketing of buy now pay later and keeping up with the jones's, it's their own fucking fault and they deserve to have the problems they are having now.

There is no such thing as a free lunch (or car/tv/computer/fridge etc.), and you can't live like your wages forever keep going up AND have no nest egg for when things go bad. Everyone seems to forget the whole world had a pretty rough recession just over a decade ago which burst the bubble of the eighties, and the same things were said then.

All those people moaning that signed subprime mortgages for properties they couldn't even afford when they were earning well, with no deposit down, only paying the interest, were asking for trouble. All it would take is for the housing market to level off (let alone crash) and they would loose money - look what happened, and it took the rest of the economy down with it. Yes, the banks made it waaay too easy but again, no one put a gain to their heads to sign, and as with anything it's always buyer beware. People were so greedy and thick about property that it bit them on the arse....and Bush stood by watching it happen scaring people into thinking terrorism is the only thing to be worried about.

Obama, has so far followed through on his campaign promises, relations with the rest of the world have already improved, defense spending is going down, and policy changes that are positively affecting America are already being felt. All in 6 days.

That dude killed his family because he was unstable and sadly the reason is personal, not economic.

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Originally posted by bigperf can it be that they are one and the same...

TASD is an alt, but we haven't figured out who yet.....they're too pussy to raise their head.

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Originally posted by |Thrax| obviously we need [sarcasm] tags

ROFL

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[i][b]Originally posted by DJ RANN Bill Clinton is a part to blame for the problems now. *** One of the most inteligent things you've posted. Bush had all the opportunity in world to do something about this. *** you're right. He should've been more steadfast and tough with you libtards who accused him of "racism" and "witch-hunting" when he (and Mccain) asked for more oversight to Franklin Raines' obscene profiteering of Fanny Mae whilst it being run into the dirt by the libtard. As for the whole issue seductive marketing of buy now pay later and keeping up with the jones's, it's their own fucking fault and they deserve to have the problems they are having now. *** "seductive marketing?" Ha ha.. Of course it's the "marketing's" fault and not the leftarded, self-entitled individual who took out loans they couldn't (and wouldn't) afford to pay back.. Ha ha. There is no such thing as a free lunch (or car/tv/computer/fridge etc.), *** there isn't? Obama's plan is to ghastly increase the size of welfare. Everyone seems to forget the whole world had a pretty rough recession just over a decade ago which burst the bubble of the eighties. *** Nice to see you admit that Bush inherited a Clinton/Gore recession coupled with a post nine-eleven recession and economy. Obama, has so far followed through on his campaign promises, *** He has? He's already reneged on tax cuts.. First one being a break for a small business who creates or saves a job. I thought Obama was all about and for small business??? relations with the rest of the world have already improved, All in 6 days. *** They have? And you can measure it? So Putin and Ahmadenijad's going to "chill" because Obama told them to? Ha ha... That dude killed his family because he was unstable and sadly the reason is personal, not economic. *** That dude and his wife were fired from their jobs for their instability, fraud and the absence of corporate compliance. Any employer would've fired them. And rightly so. But they "offed" themselves under an Obama administration. Guess the empty rhetoric of hope can only go so far. And DJ Rann, stop using recreational pharmaceuticals. R!ch too. Your Libtardism's are running amuck lately.

the economy is killing me. prices of funyuns went up. i'm going to starve... do you guys know how often i get the munchies?

LOL at this thread. Man you TA's are high strung. I didnt talk any shit on Obama, or claim he hasnt delivered on promises. read my post kids.

All i said that if he DOES deliver on HALF the promises he made then we will all be OK. Whats wrong with that? All im doing is going along with all the hope and change that won over all your hearts and minds

Economies don't kill people, people kill people

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Originally posted by |Thrax| obviously we need [sarcasm] tags

what? You mean Rich wasnt being seriously when he said Mccain could have solved our world crisis in 6 days? then yes we do

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Originally posted by bigperf can it be that they are one and the same...

unlike most on this board, I bare my name right on my profile "bigperf"

If you thought we think the same, and post the same, why fuck would i be posting the same shit in two seperate accounts?

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Originally posted by bigperf can it be that they are one and the same...

No big Perv. We are not.

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Originally posted by T.A.S.D. There is no such thing as a free lunch (or car/tv/computer/fridge etc.), *** there isn't? Obama's plan is to ghastly increase the size of welfare.

Do you have this in writing?

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Originally posted by T.A.S.D. There is no such thing as a free lunch (or car/tv/computer/fridge etc.), *** there isn't? Obama's plan is to ghastly increase the size of welfare.

Do you have this in writing?

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen unlike most on this board, I bare my name right on my profile "bigperf" If you thought we think the same, and post the same, why fuck would i be posting the same shit in two seperate accounts?

ya know... there are TAs out there that do...

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Originally posted by blakh0rse ya know... there are TAs out there that do...

Wouldn't be the first time (not that I'm saying you do Josh!). I've seen you speak your mind without hiding behind a profile.

People have done it in the past so that their real beliefs can be known and it does not affect their regular online profile.

This is the deal with TASD. He/she is someone else on here usually because he/she only posts when there is this sort of subject matter on TA - meaning there here all the time but as a different profile.

TASD - You have to realise that my views along with other people in this world are not black and white or just right and wrong. CLinton made several bad mistakes but he is the messiah in truth and light compared to the unmitigated (an un-argued - even by hardline republicans now) disaster that was Bush.

Franklin Raines did profit and it was oscene - but that is the tip of the iceberg. take Paulson for instance. Made $500m for himself at goldman, in bonuses, stocks, uses it to engineer a job with Bush, then gives them a Bailout - are you fucking kidding me? He was part of the Bush administration while stealing from the public!

The list of republican shit like that goes on and on. Bush currently has 50 active negligence/illegal action inquries, more than any other president in history. He's beginning to make Nixon look clean.

Also, before you post and talk shit, actualy READ my post. You'll then realise it was me who does not have a lot of sympathy for those who fell for marketing or who got themselves in to stupid debt. Go on read it again.

Bush inherited a recession? Really? The highest employment rate in 30 years? The biggest growth in pay to employees? Federal surplus? We'd give anything to have that kind of recession right now.....

As for world relations, Obama extended his hand to Muslim and Arabic world, something Bush was too scared to do and as for russia, Putin has commended Obama and has welcomed the new US-Russia future. Yesterday, Putin decided not to install new Nuclear missile silos on Poland because Obama canceled the Bushes unbelievably stupid plans for a new multi billion dollar missle defense system in europe. See there are already better relations and less missles in the world becuase of his actions. I can go on if you want, but you might as well cut you losses right now and accept that Obama, so far is good thing, not a bad thing, and nothing to be scared or racist about.

who cares who tasd is? either he was created as a joke meant to make republicans look like the pinheads they are or he's being serious in which case we can all laugh at how childish and insecure the passive-aggressive tool behind the alt is in real life. either way, there's no point in dwelling on some pointless trivia for which you will never know the answer to. he exists in one way or another to humiliate himself, so just humor the guy and laugh at him...


now back to the topic of obama cheating america... ITS BEEN 7 DAYS NOW WITHOUT EVERY PROMISE FULFILLED! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT BS!!!

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Originally posted by R!CH who cares who tasd is? either he was created as a joke meant to make republicans look like the pinheads they are or he's being

Ya know... some of us might actually be Republican. ;]

But the party has def gone downhill. I dont think I really relate to it at all...

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Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal the economy is killing me. prices of funyuns went up. i'm going to starve... do you guys know how often i get the munchies?

You might have to switch to 'Bugles' now ...but we're going to get through this!

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Originally posted by blakh0rse Ya know... some of us might actually be Republican. ;] But the party has def gone downhill. I dont think I really relate to it at all...

if you can't relate to the values of the party, have you ever asked yourself why you continue to associate with it? i know in high school it was the cool thing to do, but when was the last time you thought about what the party did for you or america?

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Originally posted by R!CH if you can't relate to the values of the party, have you ever asked yourself why you continue to associate with it? i know in high school it was the cool thing to do, but when was the last time you thought about what the party did for you or america?

+1. More and more people are asking this which is why the GOP are in so much trouble now.

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