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This is going to get ugly...

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Originally posted by Prometheus Xex Remember that religion is perpetuated through not really teaching, but by forcing. A child is born into religion and not given a choice because a parent will bestow their own faith upon them and not give options to other faiths to follow. An Atheist has to "break out" of the mold their parents had tried to put them into. Once the seeds are planted in the young mind, the majority will grow up with their faith fully entrenched and continue the cycle when their own children are born. This is why an idea that started thousands or hundreds of years ago slowly grows to the point where it becomes the norm. It spreads like a virus in a way. I hate to use that term since I don't mean it in a bad way... but you get the point.

wow

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Originally posted by Prometheus Xex Remember that religion is perpetuated through not really teaching, but by forcing. A child is born into religion and not given a choice because a parent will bestow their own faith upon them and not give options to other faiths to follow. An Atheist has to "break out" of the mold their parents had tried to put them into. Once the seeds are planted in the young mind, the majority will grow up with their faith fully entrenched and continue the cycle when their own children are born. This is why an idea that started thousands or hundreds of years ago slowly grows to the point where it becomes the norm. It spreads like a virus in a way. I hate to use that term since I don't mean it in a bad way... but you get the point.

oh please

religion is like any other moral values. it's similar to another philosophical idea

do you begrudge your parents to forcing you to be polite to strangers, or have good table manners, or teaching you what they think is good and right?

it is a parents prerogative to raise their kids however they feel is right.

likewise when kids become old enough to reason and make decisions for themselves, it should be up to the kids to figure out whether how their parents brought them up is good and correct

i guess i should be upset next time some canadian parents force their kids to play hockey, because it's a good canadian thing to do eh

i'm also having a good laugh at your portrayal like atheism is some sort of innocent idea that all of humans should embrace

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Originally posted by exstasie Who..religious people? I know... You'd think by now they realize that the whole thing is a scam...

Some people need to believe in something. Just because you dont agree with what they believe in, doesnt make a person dumb. Thats just being ignorant. Theres more to being religious then believing there is a god. The values and the charity work they do are just amazing to see. No I dont believe in a god or alot of what they believe. But I still see good in religion and what it can do for people.

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Originally posted by Yohan i'm also having a good laugh at your portrayal like atheism is some sort of innocent idea that all of humans should embrace

What is so evil about atheism? I dont believe in God and I couldnt be happier

I identify with the message that the ads convey. I can't say I was raised to believe there is no God - we just weren't a religious family. There was no church or prayers or any mention of a higher being. Even as an adult, I find religion confusing and it doesn't resonate with me at all. I don't feel compelled to change my behavior for fear of some after life consequences, and it's good to know that there are others who feel the same way. Sometimes it seems like everyone else is part of some kind of faith but you.

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Originally posted by love_child What is so evil about atheism? I dont believe in God and I couldnt be happier

And are you personally comfortable in that, or do you also feel the need to convince as many others as you can?

And also slap the people who do believe right in the faces by saying they are "probably" full of shit.

Because you know, that's what it is doing when you make a statement saying "There's probably no God".

This could easily have been an ad appealing to other people out there who do not believe... it could have been actually thought-provoking. There's nothing thought-provoking about saying there's probably no God. It's tripe. There's nothing particularly intelligent about it at all. It's very polarizing.

These ads are awesome. Great typeface.

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Originally posted by love_child What is so evil about atheism? I dont believe in God and I couldnt be happier

nothing.

but there are some evil people who use atheism as a tool to advance personal agenda (sounds familiar to some events in history?)

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Originally posted by Skipper I identify with the message that the ads convey. I can't say I was raised to believe there is no God - we just weren't a religious family. There was no church or prayers or any mention of a higher being. Even as an adult, I find religion confusing and it doesn't resonate with me at all. I don't feel compelled to change my behavior for fear of some after life consequences, and it's good to know that there are others who feel the same way. Sometimes it seems like everyone else is part of some kind of faith but you.

I feel the same way (wow, almost like the words came out of my head!)

the closest I ever got to being religious, is my baptism
and I wear crosses because I think they can be a nice accessory

I think people should have faith in themselves first, not some superficial supreme being

A group of people perpetuating non-believe at the expense of those who believe is NO better than groups of people perpetuating "beliefs" at the expense of those who do not believe.

I respect anybody both religious and non-religious who is confident enough about their beliefs or non-beliefs that they do not need to convert others to their cause or shove it in anybody else's face.

I always love these arguments. It's like 2 sides get into a fight to see who can be the bigger hypocrite/arrogant fool.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew I feel the same way (wow, almost like the words came out of my head!) the closest I ever got to being religious, is my baptism and I wear crosses because I think they can be a nice accessory I think people should have faith in themselves first, not some superficial supreme being

Great fashion sense.

Ps. What world are you 2 living in? Most people I know don't believe in anything; and the ones that do are my parents age. If anything it's the other way around, people don't believe in shit these days.

If Atheists want to act like another religion, let them.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Great fashion sense.

what's the problem? goths wear crosses, and not because they're religious

Pfft...goths.

I just don't get why someone would wear something that's so blatantly a religious symbol when they don't even believe in the religion. Kinda sends out the wrong message to others, ya know? Maybe I should start wearing a swastika for fashion. Just cause it looks cool with my shirt.

The ads are not really a big deal, but just merely the start of a new trend. If you think about it, religious groups have basically had unlimited funds to preach, and spread their word. Why the fuss when a counter argument is trying to do the same?

Plus, the ad is so calm. It does not insult, condemn, or offer any false solutions. It merely gives you an argument (there probably is no God), and then gives you a possible action to consider (enjoy life). No worse than: 'you have debt trouble, give us a call'.

What I would really like is to have those idiotic 'poetry moments' removed.

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Originally posted by Orko The ads are not really a big deal, but just merely the start of a new trend. If you think about it, religious groups have basically had unlimited funds to preach, and spread their word. Why the fuss when a counter argument is trying to do the same? Plus, the ad is so calm. It does not insult, condemn, or offer any false solutions. It merely gives you an argument (there probably is no God), and then gives you a possible action to consider (enjoy life). No worse than: 'you have debt trouble, give us a call'. What I would really like is to have those idiotic 'poetry moments' removed.

LOL "poetry"

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Originally posted by Orko The ads are not really a big deal, but just merely the start of a new trend. If you think about it, religious groups have basically had unlimited funds to preach, and spread their word. Why the fuss when a counter argument is trying to do the same? Plus, the ad is so calm. It does not insult, condemn, or offer any false solutions. It merely gives you an argument (there probably is no God), and then gives you a possible action to consider (enjoy life). No worse than: 'you have debt trouble, give us a call'. What I would really like is to have those idiotic 'poetry moments' removed.

+1 on all accounts, including the poetry

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Originally posted by Orko If you think about it, religious groups have basically had unlimited funds to preach, and spread their word.

oh yea? unlimited? who's funding?

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew what's the problem? goths wear crosses, and not because they're religious

by wearing a cross and not in the faith, you're as annoying as the people that shout "Jesus Christ" in agony when something happens meanwhile preaching God's non-existence

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Pfft...goths. I just don't get why someone would wear something that's so blatantly a religious symbol when they don't even believe in the religion. Kinda sends out the wrong message to others, ya know? Maybe I should start wearing a swastika for fashion. Just cause it looks cool with my shirt.

Swastika is actually a Hindy symbol of some sort, so go ahead the Nazis just twisted around that one for their own use

I can't explain lol all I know that for me it holds no religious symbolism

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Ps. What world are you 2 living in? Most people I know don't believe in anything; and the ones that do are my parents age. If anything it's the other way around, people don't believe in shit these days.

Not true. Most of my friends growing up were religious. When I explained to them, at the age of 12 that I longer believed in a higher being, i was called the devil for most of my life. They were pretty much joking, but I was still seen as different, because I did not believe.

I also went to a Catholic high school for two years. I made the mistake of publicly stating that i did not believe. In every class I would have explain myself, over and over again. These people would just not quit. I didn't go around saying that the should not believe, I just shut up and sat there, and learned what i was supposed to. But it did come up from time to time.

It is completely foolish to say that a younger generation is filled with non-believers. Maybe in your group, but religion is alive and well.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew Swastika is actually a Hindy symbol of some sort, so go ahead the Nazis just twisted around that one for their own use

You think 90% of the population knows that though?

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