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at the end of the day he has worked out how to get the best out off what he has got. be it software or hardware.

i didnt say it was bad , i think faxing berlin is quite a good tune , Its just i go with everyone else where people say that they have used this when really they used something else.Could be they sponser a product, are embarrased it was a nexus preset or just plain dont want you to know.

First Joel only works in FL. Then he only uses logic. He's on his own when he's producing. He has a team of engineers when he's producing. He only uses softsynths. He only uses hardware. He's got no classical training. He's knows music theory.

Guys seriously, he just keeps it simple, which is why you hear presets and some basic effects. Basically he just uses sounds that work with melodies, then fx that compliment both those factors.

Don't believe a word you read or see about what he uses. The reason a camera is there is to promote something. He was all over FL, until a better offer came up, the suddenly he was using a completely different set of tools. It's all marketing. Just think about this: he recently said that he's been using certain plugs (fxpansion I think) for nearly all his tracks over the past few years, but during the past few years there were only mentions of other plugins. See what I'm getting at?

As for hardware vs software, you can so very nearly get the sounds out of software that you think are only available in a hardware synth - Bob Moog told me that the Arturia minimoog sounds virtually identical to the real deal - it's comes down sonic limitations within the processing of the audio conversion that creates a difference. That diffrence is enough though for some people to shell out $$$'s for the hardware version.

As for synths like the virus, if they ever made a softsynth version, access would never sell another hardware synth again. It's all modelled, meaning a computer can produce exactly them same sounds.

I concur with a lot you're saying, only no VSTi sounds like analoque outboard, the emulations are not even close, sound way too precise, thin, harsch and metallic.

It's like Virtuagirl compared to a live lapdance....

I agree with pretty much everything you said, except this:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN As for synths like the virus, if they ever made a softsynth version, access would never sell another hardware synth again.

Access does make a software version, the Virus Powercore. They've been selling them for years and it hasn't hindered sales of the hardware. But again, I reiterate my earlier statement: hardware isn't as much about the sound as it is about the experience and workflow. That's why Access can offer both a software and a hardware version - one for people who want the cost-effectiveness, convenience, and space-savings of a soft synth, the other for people who want the hands-on control; both for the Virus sound.

OK, back on topic now.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Access does make a software version, the Virus Powercore. They've been selling them for years and it hasn't hindered sales of the hardware.

That's because the powercore is nothing but glorified copy protection, by still requiring hardware. The protools version is purely software so it is truly possible to do it, but they knew they were safe on that one because it wasn't much cheaper and the copy protection was solid.

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Originally posted by cryophonik But again, I reiterate my earlier statement: hardware isn't as much about the sound as it is about the experience and workflow. That's why Access can offer both a software and a hardware version - one for people who want the cost-effectiveness, convenience, and space-savings of a soft synth, the other for people who want the hands-on control; both for the Virus sound. OK, back on topic now.

+1000.

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Originally posted by Kage_ That wasn't really much help. Lol. That was a great attempt at that song though. I'd also love to know how Deadmau5 gets such full & tight basslines, aswell as his kicks.

Unless you have and/or are somewhat familiar with Ableton I didn't think it would be much help, either, but I thought it might provide a little insight - like the stack of effects on that bass-line, towards the end.

i also think the project file could be downloaded somewhere on that page.

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Originally posted by Subtle Keep in mind that Deadmau5 judging from one of his youtube videos uses external mastering done by professionals who mixdowns each channel for him.

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And then after tracking if your taking stems over to a big console mixing desk for furthur mixing and mastering, your sound is getting even better.

not true he masters his own tracks, and only a few are mixed on consoles.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Don't believe a word you read or see about what he uses. The reason a camera is there is to promote something. He was all over FL, until a better offer came up, the suddenly he was using a completely different set of tools. It's all marketing. Just think about this: he recently said that he's been using certain plugs (fxpansion I think) for nearly all his tracks over the past few years, but during the past few years there were only mentions of other plugins. See what I'm getting at?

Gah i hope mau5 clears this up, cause that's bs. he never only used fl.
he probably won't though. he stopped posting here awhile ago =(

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Originally posted by cryophonik That's why Access can offer both a software and a hardware version - one for people who want the cost-effectiveness, convenience, and space-savings of a soft synth, the other for people who want the hands-on control; both for the Virus sound.

if they really wanted to do that, they would of just released a separate VSTi version

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Originally posted by mysticalninja if they really wanted to do that, they would of just released a separate VSTi version

And watched their hardware sales disappear.....

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Originally posted by cryophonik That's why Access can offer both a software and a hardware version - one for people who want the cost-effectiveness, convenience, and space-savings of a soft synth, the other for people who want the hands-on control; both for the Virus sound.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja if they really wanted to do that,..

What do you mean IF they wanted to do that? That doesn't make any sense. They already do do that (i.e., offer both a hardware and a software version for the reasons I mentioned). Are you implying that they don't? Explain.

As far as offering a VSTi version, well DJ RANN pretty much hit the nail on the head.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Gah i hope mau5 clears this up, cause that's bs. he never only used fl. he probably won't though. he stopped posting here awhile ago =(

You missed the point. I'm saying producers don't tell everyone exactly what they're doing and how they're achieving "their" sound (why would they? so everyone can rip them off?). They say whoever is sponsoring them at the time. The best was that "home video" of that guy who owns all those studios doing a tour of one then just starts talking about how great the new antelope clock is.

My example was joel has been on these forums for a couple of years giving tips and advice, then suddenly like last month it's announced that for the last couple of years (and basically every big track he's done) he's been using a certain brand of plugin, but never mentioned it before. What I'm saying is the technology matters far less than the composition and sounds he uses.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Gah i hope mau5 clears this up, cause that's bs. he never only used fl. he probably won't though. he stopped posting here awhile ago =(

whoa hold on... deadmau5 used to post here on TA?!

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Originally posted by Stealth whoa hold on... deadmau5 used to post here on TA?!

Yeah, quite frequently too, but the anti-deadmau5 mob eventually got him away.

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Originally posted by Stealth whoa hold on... deadmau5 used to post here on TA?!

All the time, and he actually was quite open to discuss production methods but there were too many haters so he stopped posting here in november.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN All the time, and he actually was quite open to discuss production methods but there were too many haters so he stopped posting here in november.

WHAT?! you gotta be kidding me... f*cking haterz I can't believe I missed that! did he actually use the name "deadmau5" here or some other alias?

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Originally posted by Stealth WHAT?! you gotta be kidding me... f*cking haterz I can't believe I missed that! did he actually use the name "deadmau5" here or some other alias?

yeah..do a search and you'll find his name....pity that he does'nt post anymore

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...earchid=2742232

to be honest the search function is not realy the best on this site but i did find his posts after searching for a while...

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Originally posted by evo8 Hardware isnt a necessity, listen to some stuff by Eric prydz

Are you saying Eric Prydz uses ONLY soft synths?
Really?


I have to take a listen to some Deadmau5 song... I haven't hear any, at least I don't know if I have. Any suggestion what would be his "best" song to listen?

Op seems to have left the thread.

The best way to get truly good bass that makes the coochies swell up, and your email box of choice to get cluttered with dirty emails of "when you come to town, we're going to do this and this." Well, instead of wrestling your favorite VSTi, compressor and eq pluggin, is to...... ::drum roll::


Buy a good analogue synth and a good analogue compressor. Not as essential as the first two for the actual good bass sound but a decently transparent converter and monitors will help things out a bit as well. If you want thin bass, use softsynths and software compressor for bass. There is nothing alchemic to making a great bass sound, you just need to have the proper equipment. So save up money for good equipment and then learn how to use that equipment and good bass will be pouring out of your tip into coochies around the world.

/boogie nights methodology of getting good bass.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Op seems to have left the thread. If you want thin bass, use softsynths and software compressor for bass. There is nothing alchemic to making a great bass sound, you just need to have the proper equipment. So save up money for good equipment and then learn how to use that equipment and good bass will be pouring out of your tip into coochies around the world.

I think you just don't know how to use softsynths, or you are just not good at programming synths, not to be an insult, but, I don't know how you can say you can only get thin bass out of softsynths...... That is retarded. I have gotten many a bass shakin my body with nothing but my DAW (no hardware) . Low sine waves (or many others), eq, compression, its all you need. You do not NEED hardware. Sorry, I just don't buy it.

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Originally posted by Lucidity I think you just don't know how to use softsynths, or you are just not good at programming synths, not to be an insult, but, I don't know how you can say you can only get thin bass out of softsynths...... That is retarded. I have gotten many a bass shakin my body with nothing but my DAW (no hardware) . Low sine waves (or many others), eq, compression, its all you need. You do not NEED hardware. Sorry, I just don't buy it.

+1 ..... his last post was a load of poo...why is it people always say you need this and that synth to get this big fat sound.and you must spend loads of money in order to do so........DEADMAU5 is just good a programing synths.its as simple as that..he doing it over ten years+ now...before he became really famous thru faxing berlin he was doing 6-8 of making music..some people think he only making tracks a year and then hit it big time.


if anybody reading the last issue of future music mag....there was an interview with laidback luke.he only uses software synths...and his sound is big and fat? you could'nt tell the difference if it made with software or hardware when listen to his tracks!!

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