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As much as I enjoy Loco Dice, that just looks silly.

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Originally posted by nefardec no one takes photos lol. it's bad etiquette however i do have a few that my girlfriend took, and i can pull some from other sources ps. i don't mean to be a wanker. realize i tend to be sharp with the tongue/finger. it's mostly because i care a lot. people who have met me here know i am a lot more easygoing in person. etc

wouldn't mind being fucked off my ass at any of those venues

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Originally posted by nefardec well, it's not. putting the deejay on a stage as a focal point takes away from the ambience of the party and wrongly places the deejay in the place of a musical performer. deejays aren't musicians, they are something wholly other. loco dice doesn't even make his own music for god's sake. needs to be played in a warehouse or a factory or a bunker, etc clubs are wack too. nightclubs developed as a way of controlling the activities that go on within them. before nightclubs were warehouse parties, raves, etc. i mean there were always nightclubs but it was understood that these were leisure places where you could drop money on expensive drinks, smoke with clients, go on a romantic date, etc. underground dance music really belongs in lofts and warehouses, etc the love parade really only makes sense when it is a sort of mobile invasion running through the city, bubbling up from the cultural underworld. all it is now is an excuse to drink and perform lewd acts with thousands of drunk and lewd people i've been to parades, concerts, clubs, lofts, bars, factories, warehouses, convention centers, basements, attics, courtyards, 600 year old palazzi, gardens, etc where underground dance music is being played, and i have to say, in a concert setting it's pointless and difficult to have fun, again because there is no environment. the venue should provide a framework for freedom. when you have a soundstage with an elevated dj in front of a jumbotron blaring his name, with a limited set time and frontally placed speakers, there's no point IMO. now, if we're talking live PA that's one thing, where the virtuosity and visual spectacle are the primary focus.

100% agree.

BUT: There are some clubs where everyone knows each other and everyone knows the DJ personally so its more of an intimate event where everyone stands around talking about the music. So it can happen in clubs too. These are definately my favourite events.

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Originally posted by Domesticated That second last venue looks awesome; I would love to party there. Nerfardec do you get to many open air parties? Here in Australia we have things called "doofs" which are out in the bush (or countryside to the rest of the world), usually held in remote places, sometimes on private properties, sometimes illegally on public land. I suppose in principle they're not so different to parties held elsewhere in the world, but the culture surrounding them in Australia is very well established and the amount of space we have means that the parties are: a) Remote enough that they don't get discovered. b) Remote enough that the authorities can be informed and that noise will not annoy anyone. Nothing like dancing out in the wilderness for days on end.

i haven't been to enough forest, desert, or beach parties. i was at some in rome (ostia) during the summer and i've thrown a few small parties in the woods, but i've never done shambhala or burning man something like that. That would be pretty awesome I imagine, but mostly for the spectacle. Either way if there is a concert venue you won't see me there I like to enjoy nature in solitude or small groups, with little trace of civilization.

I've been to WMC, Ultra, DEMF, and a ton of outdoor parties in NYC ranging from central park to grassy lots on the gowanus canal to rooftops to sand beaches. I did some some others in Rome as well (one time there was a party on the Janiculum Hill at Acqua Paolo with marco passarani and carola pisatura)

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Originally posted by nefardec i haven't been to enough forest, desert, or beach parties. i was at some in rome (ostia) during the summer and i've thrown a few small parties in the woods, but i've never done shambhala or burning man something like that. That would be pretty awesome I imagine, but mostly for the spectacle. Either way if there is a concert venue you won't see me there I like to enjoy nature in solitude or small groups, with little trace of civilization. I've been to WMC, Ultra, DEMF, and a ton of outdoor parties in NYC ranging from central park to grassy lots on the gowanus canal to rooftops to sand beaches. I did some some others in Rome as well (one time there was a party on the Janiculum Hill at Acqua Paolo with marco passarani and carola pisatura)

We have outdoor parties with 25-30 thousand attending, but I was more talking about the smaller parties with 500 or 1000 people, not advertised anywhere and with totally random DJs.

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Originally posted by nefardec the love parade really only makes sense when it is a sort of mobile invasion running through the city,

Just to check, did you get the impression Love Parade isn't mobile any more? Because there still are trucks driving through the city. At the end there is a stage like the vids show, but the mobile part is still there.
I think the concept is still the same as the early Love Parades in Berlin, just grew a little bit....

I don't think all these people go to Love Parade just to drink. In that view I don't think it is different from other (also non edm) festivals.

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Originally posted by nefardec no one takes photos lol. it's bad etiquette however i do have a few that my girlfriend took, and i can pull some from other sources ps. i don't mean to be a wanker. realize i tend to be sharp with the tongue/finger. it's mostly because i care a lot. people who have met me here know i am a lot more easygoing in person.

Those look awesome especially the last ones. One of them seems like Sunday Best.

I absolutely don't think you're a wanker by the way, if any people here have the right to criticize the state of the scene today you're definitely among them.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Just to check, did you get the impression Love Parade isn't mobile any more? Because there still are trucks driving through the city. At the end there is a stage like the vids show, but the mobile part is still there. I think the concept is still the same as the early Love Parades in Berlin, just grew a little bit.... I don't think all these people go to Love Parade just to drink. In that view I don't think it is different from other (also non edm) festivals.

no, of course it's mobile, but it's hardly an invasion or social/political statement now

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Originally posted by nefardec no, of course it's mobile, but it's hardly an invasion or social/political statement now

I don't think music should be used as a social statement. That's one reason I don't like the rock scene (fight the man etc.) Music is music and shouldn't be used to push shitty agendas.

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Originally posted by Domesticated I don't think music should be used as a social statement. That's one reason I don't like the rock scene (fight the man etc.) Music is music and shouldn't be used to push shitty agendas.

well let me put it this way

music shouldn't be used as a way of increasing tourism or fattening pocketbooks either

so by social statement i mean 'freeing' music from this.

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Originally posted by nefardec no, of course it's mobile, but it's hardly an invasion or social/political statement now

Clear, just wanted to check that first part of your phrase.

I do think people of the cities see it as an invasion though, but I guess that's not what you were refering to. Doesn't happen often that 1 million crazy dance lovers visit a city in one day.
Besides I also read that there were 125 parties with a total of 700 DJ's around Love Parade 2007 in that area. I guess some of those could have had a social/politcal statement.
But time has changed and the number of (illegal) parties are much smaller than in the 90's. It's now more about fun, but I don't mind.

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Originally posted by Domesticated I don't think music should be used as a social statement.

actually it should be, but not in a cheap or commercial sense as the love parade nowadays does

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Originally posted by nefardec

trsor ftw

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Clear, just wanted to check that first part of your phrase. I do think people of the cities see it as an invasion though, but I guess that's not what you were refering to. Doesn't happen often that 1 million crazy dance lovers visit a city in one day. Besides I also read that there were 125 parties with a total of 700 DJ's around Love Parade 2007 in that area. I guess some of those could have had a social/politcal statement. But time has changed and the number of (illegal) parties are much smaller than in the 90's. It's now more about fun, but I don't mind.

it's probably not that bad as i'm making it out to be. it's definitely still a marginal segment of the population

i guess the corporate sponsors and 'institutionalization' put me off a bit. it's not really much different than corporate conventions etc

i mean i saw official screens in the berlin metro from the city of berlin congratulating tresor on its 15th birthday

Those venues look really awesome, Adam, but unfortunately seem way too sausage-y, even more so than a trance show at Pacha

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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch Those venues look really awesome, Adam, but unfortunately seem way too sausage-y, even more so than a trance show at Pacha

but they're not

with the exception of tresor or berghain in berlin.

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Originally posted by trancepeter actually it should be, but not in a cheap or commercial sense as the love parade nowadays does

Why should music be used to push issues? It's made for enjoyment, dancing and socialising, not to spread a message.

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Originally posted by nefardec but they're not with the exception of tresor or berghain in berlin.

Please inform me of such places/parties in NYC

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Originally posted by nefardec but they're not with the exception of tresor or berghain in berlin.

Yes they are dude, c'mon. The crowd at Bunker is pretty rough

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Originally posted by Neo95gt Yes they are dude, c'mon. The crowd at Bunker is pretty rough

you have to be kidding me

check out the photo galleries
http://www.beyondbooking.com/thebunker/galleries.asp

i went nearly every week until they made it a monthly


as far as others, there aren't many but:

sunday best during the summer @the yard (sadly will be torn down for apartments)
water taxi beach during the summer
bunker
house n home
minimoo (not going anymore though, at least for a while)
less
deep space is just full of nuts of all sexes/genders
there are always a lot of girls at studio b
various parties thrown at APT
various undergrounds
and more

have plenty of attractive females and males alike


ps my recommendations for this weekend:
friday - bunker w/ jus ed, fred p, dj qu, john tejada, silent servant
saturday - omar s @ santos party house || matthew herbert @ studio b

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Originally posted by Domesticated Why should music be used to push issues? It's made for enjoyment, dancing and socialising, not to spread a message.

thats a very hedonistic point of view i think..

seriously, here in germany techno developed after the fall of the berlin wall and the whole scene always had a political stance. and it still has, at least in the underground. thus, the music has a message (maybe indirectly, but it has) to be tolerant, thoughtful, anti-commercial, against stereotypes, to show self-restraint and respect what others do. thats also the main difference between german magazines as de-bug and groove in contrast to shit magazines as raveline (commercial) and also in contrast to foreign magazines or websites as ra, who dont seem to get the point of german music

I'll have to check Bunker out one of these days... it's a relief that it isn't a sausage fest. Was gonna go see Matthew Dear back last year but my friend couldn't make it... and all my dance-loving friends around here only seem to want to go to trance or the occasional prog shows.



Looks like a level in an FPS game or something

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Originally posted by nefardec underground dance music really belongs in lofts and warehouses, etc

Oh shut up.

I enjoy loco dice but that video is way too hard for my taste. I enjoy more downtempo stuff.

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Originally posted by nchs09 I enjoy loco dice but that video is way too hard for my taste. I enjoy more downtempo stuff.

Then I guess Love Parade is not your thing, because compared to the rest this probably was downtempo.

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