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Posted by EldamRy on Jun-12-2002 07:24:

mmmm I have read your post .... I think im gonna buy the VMX 300 .... I want kill switches...


BTW the cross-fader is not important for me ... I dont use fader when I mix ....

so his the 300 a waste of money or im better with the 200 ?


Posted by fastmp3 on Jun-12-2002 08:58:

DJ-Kuza why do u think the VMX300 is crappy ? please give me real arguments


Posted by DJ-Kuza on Jun-12-2002 13:14:

ok here are a few real arguments for why I bought the Numark 3001X instead of the VMX 300. The 3001X is more expensive than the 3000X, but I wanted kill switches.

1. The VMX 300 is the same price as a numark 3000X yet it has indypendant pfl meters, BPM counter and kill switches. 3 features that should bring ANY mixer to the $500 range.

2. No one here will even carry them anymore, you have to order them. The main sound store here has everything from gemini to techs to Vestax. They carry every brand or mixer, carts, lights, speakers. ANd they told me they WON'T deal with Behringer.

3. The only person I know with one tried to bring it back because of bleeding and was told the mixers are low quality and will bleed. No refund.

4. If they WERE as good as they look, everyone in the world would be using Behringer right now. As it is, they are dropping the line. What does that tell you?


Posted by fastmp3 on Jun-12-2002 13:36:

what do you mean by bleeding ?


Posted by DJ-Kuza on Jun-12-2002 13:42:

Bleeding is when you bring the crossfader all the way to the left, and then all of a sudden hear the right side come back in. Sometimes with a lot of static. So it bleeds from the other channel.


Posted by fastmp3 on Jun-12-2002 16:10:

why does it happen ?????


Posted by DJ-Kuza on Jun-12-2002 17:46:

It's hard to explain. All you need to know, is a quality product shouldn't bleed. It's as if you take your 2 channel volume faders and glue them together feet to toe. When you go up with one you're going down with the other. If you go all the way up with your right channel, your left chanel should be gone, but with bleeding, at the end of the line you can hear the other channel. It's like when you bring down your right channel and at the bottom your left one kicks in.


Posted by EldamRy on Jun-12-2002 17:56:

but Im not usige the cross fader ... and I heard by some Dj In Quebec , numark is not a good brand ..... its easy to break ....


Posted by EldamRy on Jun-12-2002 18:02:

but dude you said the numark dm3000x have kill sitch and bpm counter ... where is it ?


Posted by DJ-Kuza on Jun-12-2002 20:14:

Well maybe you need to re-read and realise I said I bought the 3001X because I wanted the kill switches. I said the VMX300 was the same price as the 3000X but has all those extra features. So no, I never said the 3000X has kill switches.


As for the quality of numark, I've been using the 1001X for 3 years. Not a problem, and they will fix it if there is. They are far from top of the line, but if Behringer was so good, they would be as popular as numark.


Posted by erullafs on Jun-12-2002 20:58:

The Behringer brand produces quality proaudio equipment and studio mixers like the DDX3216, V-AMP, B2031, GX112, MX3242X. This pro audio has been aimed at the producer/performer side of the music industry. These products received rave in the International Trade Press. Read Here
Recently they started developing mixers for the DJ. I think the DMX series came out in March 2002! As part of their marketing strategy, they decided to introduce a quality, feature loaded mixer, with a relatively low price. The goal is to get the Behringer name out there in the DJ'ing community. Unlike Numark, Vestax and Gemini the Behringer main revenue source is not DJ mixers. They do not need the same margins as other brands to turn a profit.

If you knew the production price of some top of the line Ranes, Pioneers etc., and the production price of Vestax, Stantons...the difference is less than 50%, but the retail price of Ranes and Pioneers are more than 100% more.


Posted by fastmp3 on Jun-13-2002 08:18:

quote:
Originally posted by erullafs
The Behringer brand produces quality proaudio equipment and studio mixers like the DDX3216, V-AMP, B2031, GX112, MX3242X. This pro audio has been aimed at the producer/performer side of the music industry. These products received rave in the International Trade Press. Read Here
Recently they started developing mixers for the DJ. I think the DMX series came out in March 2002! As part of their marketing strategy, they decided to introduce a quality, feature loaded mixer, with a relatively low price. The goal is to get the Behringer name out there in the DJ'ing community. Unlike Numark, Vestax and Gemini the Behringer main revenue source is not DJ mixers. They do not need the same margins as other brands to turn a profit.

If you knew the production price of some top of the line Ranes, Pioneers etc., and the production price of Vestax, Stantons...the difference is less than 50%, but the retail price of Ranes and Pioneers are more than 100% more.


that explains why


Posted by DJ-Kuza on Jun-13-2002 13:11:

Well good luck then. Tell me how it goes. I ended up getting the numark 3001X for 320 canadian. So since it's doubtfull you can get it that cheap, go for the Behringer.


Posted by EldamRy on Jun-13-2002 21:03:

ok dude Ill oder my mixer today for the same price Ill get some news abut the mixer


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Jun-14-2002 21:46:

fastmp3, it probably would be a good idea to get the mixer first.. i mean, why not? you can always use it with a computer-based MP3 program that supports an external mixer... that way, you can get used to the faders and EQs while you are saving for decks...

another advantage is you can practice transitions easily without worrying about beatmatching that much... i spent about a year with my mixer before i had the $$ for decks and vynil - and when i finally got my decks, all i had to do was learn to beatmatch on vynil and after that i was able to start actually making some good transitions and feeling good about my progress... i've only had decks a month but not many people can tell that

have fun
-mer


Posted by DJ Darchinova on Jun-15-2002 12:38:

Hey guys... we have done this thread before, havent we?

I was very interested in Behringer mixers.. so much because of the price and what you get in return. I was even going to buy their DX-1000.. but then i looked on the back of the mixer..

MADE IN CHINA

Then i thought, "oh no.. this one you would have to take risks with"
So i didnt take the risk... i dont really know any other manufacturers whose products are made in China with good specs; Pioneer, Vestax, Gemini, American Dj, etc.

That was the reason why the price was a lot lower than competition. But they all hold good value for what you get.. but just one incident was my friend's brand new Behringer mixer losing a channel(?) after 3 days..!!

I guess it is a risk if you purchase some of their products...
But i would definately hold them as competition to Gemini, Numark, etc. if they were of higher quality... but for people with smaller budgets and unlimited needs.. these mixers could be for you


Posted by fastmp3 on Jun-15-2002 13:01:

now i'm scared


Posted by EldamRy on Jun-15-2002 16:10:

@FASTMP3 : bheringer are trying to peirce into DJ product but they are well installed In Big mixing console

BTW my numark TT 1700 are made in taiwain....


P.s FASTMP3 do u speak french ?


Posted by ampburner on Jun-15-2002 16:34:

plz explain, why do you say it's such a bad thing they're made in china? Almost all electronics are produced in asia... (taiwan for instance (looking at the post above ))


Posted by DJ Sunburn on Jun-15-2002 16:52:


Forgot to post a pic of this one.


Posted by fastmp3 on Jun-15-2002 17:23:

quote:
Originally posted by EldamRy
@FASTMP3 : bheringer are trying to peirce into DJ product but they are well installed In Big mixing console

BTW my numark TT 1700 are made in taiwain....


P.s FASTMP3 do u speak french ?



oui je parle francais mieux qu'anglais !!!!!


Posted by DJ Darchinova on Jun-16-2002 03:30:

quote:
Originally posted by ampburner
plz explain, why do you say it's such a bad thing they're made in china? Almost all electronics are produced in asia... (taiwan for instance (looking at the post above ))


Yes i know that most are made in Asia, but the difference between quality make in China and Taiwan (Gemini and a few others) is very large.


Posted by fastmp3 on Jun-16-2002 16:05:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Darchinova


Yes i know that most are made in Asia, but the difference between quality make in China and Taiwan (Gemini and a few others) is very large.



don't u think it's the same ?


Posted by DJ Darchinova on Jun-17-2002 07:59:

quote:
Originally posted by fastmp3



don't u think it's the same ?


The same??
Taiwan and China are totally different when it comes to labour quality and especially in electronics where it matters most. If you've been to the countries you would rather buy from Taiwan than China. And its fact that Taiwan quality is better due to much much higher wages paid and the government at hand.

Taiwan and China are two totally different countries in every way.

Anyway.. anybody got an idea of easy changing of a crossfader on those new Behringer mixers?? The old ones looked like easy access..


Posted by DJ-Kuza on Jun-17-2002 13:36:

I found the DM3001X has the individual pfl meters as well. The only thing the Behringer has that I don't is the BPM counter. I might have paid a little more, but that's 2 times now I've heard about problems with the behringers, and they havn't even been making htem long enough to be 2 years old!! I trust my numark, I've used them for years with no problems.


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