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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers You own a horse and can't find $600 to help us all breath a little bit better?

my point exactly, it really just seems like a cop-out to not wanting to pay the additional few hundred dollars to get it done legit. i feel sorrier for the injured horse who's not only in pain but has an owner resenting him/her for having to pay for treatment.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Brilliant. You do know that an e-test has nothing whatsoever to do with CO2, right? Emissions testing is intended to prevent toxic or hazardous emissions. That includes: - Hydrocarbons (HC, - incomplete combustion products) - Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) - Carbon Monoxide (CO - that's the one that will kill you if you leave your car running in the garage for 3 hours). Drive Clean doesn't even regulate CO2 emissions. But I'm sure you already knew that, and were just making a joke, right? Technically, since the main component in emissions control is the catalytic converter which converts a lot of those other bad things into harmless CO2, passing an emissions test would actually be increasing one's "carbon footprint."

So when are you going to get on Jeopardy?

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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers You own a horse and can't find $600 to help us all breath a little bit better?

I know plenty of people who have dogs more expensive than a horse, they're priced differently like any other pets.

Unless you have a barn cat or got a cat or dog free, people consider their pets as aprt of the family and wouldn't flinch at an expensive vet bill if their 'familiy member' is at risk.

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Originally posted by teufel-man In this case, when someone says I want to drive a more environmentally friendly car to reduce their carbon footprint, no one gives a F_ck whether or not a car actually emits carbon; we all know what she is trying to say. Plus, 'carbon footprint' is one of those buzzwords now which (AFAIK) just refers to being more environmentally friendly in general (I bet Diginut will jump on my for this) and the word 'carbon' is just being taken too literally by some of you!

Virtually every substance we interact with on a daily basis contains carbon. Part of the e-test is for carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons. If I wanted to be literal I would probably talk about how ridiculous the term "carbon footprint" is for that reason alone - but that's pointless, I've just accepted that it means "carbon dioxide" because that's what it really means.

But the issue here is, carbon dioxide is the end product of "perfect" octane combustion. It replaces all those other nasty things that cars used to belch out. It is the "clean" in "Drive Clean".

The whole point of my reply, which I think you must have missed, was that E-testing is not about CO₂ specifically and not about being "environmentally friendly" in general either. It's placing restrictions on emissions that are harmful to humans, not harmful to the environment. I cannot emphasize that distinction enough. That is what makes the tests so important and it is the reason why they are the law.

It's just wrong to talk about e-tests as having anything to do with environmentalism; we've had them since long before the trendy global warming/carbon neutral fad was even a twinkle in Al Gore's eye.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie So when are you going to get on Jeopardy?

Alex told me that there are no afros allowed on his show.

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze I have a catless exhaust and pass emissions. Figure that one out

If you have an older car, the rules are more lenient. Basically it just has to conform to whatever standards were in place when the car was made.

The tests exist more to force automakers to build cleaner-running cars. The MoE doesn't want to screw car owners.

(If it's a new car with a catless exhaust then that's pretty weird by itself)

i just proper lol'd at the thought of digi on jeapordy, so good

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Originally posted by teufel-man Seriously man.... why do you always feel the need to do this?

Simple......

He's a twaaaaaaat.....

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Originally posted by Pett i just proper lol'd at the thought of digi on jeapordy, so good

srsly, I so can imagine it!

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Originally posted by VDub Simple...... He's a twaaaaaaat.....

You must be excited - you're writing double ellipses this time. Isn't your ring finger getting sore?

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Originally posted by teufel-man Seriously man.... why do you always feel the need to do this?

To pass on (correct) information?

I find Aaron insightful myself, and am almost always happy to read his posts. He very effectively (and blatantly, yes) corrects a great deal of most ppl's misconceptions.

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Originally posted by DigiNut we've had them since long before the trendy global warming/carbon neutral fad was even a twinkle in Al Gore's eye.

lol

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Originally posted by teufel-man +1! I was always under the impression that horses cost more than cars for the most part... especially with ongoing costs to 'maintain' the horse

He is free leased, so owner pays the board/basic care, I do the rest (training, showing, and occasional vet bills) while getting unlimited use of the horse(and a few others) and facility. And the cost to own a horse varies greatly on where you keep it... Stouffville averages around $700/month for board alone while areas like Schomberg are around $200/month.

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Originally posted by chico my point exactly, it really just seems like a cop-out to not wanting to pay the additional few hundred dollars to get it done legit. i feel sorrier for the injured horse who's not only in pain but has an owner resenting him/her for having to pay for treatment.

Yes, resenting by going up daily to make sure he's comfortable and the treatment is working. Resenting by spoiling him rotten. He has it better than most people I know. And he isn't MINE, he is free-leased by me which is explained in another post.

Just one other thing to keep in mind if you're dead-set on getting a forgery - if you're caught (and you will be if your car is belching out black smoke or something), you'll almost certainly have to pay a fine between $2000 and $10,000, and you could have your license suspended.

Since late 2006 or so, Ontario has really been cracking down on this type of thing. A lot of garages have lost their accreditation, and several have been fined upwards of $20,000. Considering that an e-test costs less than $50, and they can probably make $300 - $400 for the repairs, it's almost never worth it for them to forge a $250 certificate.

Good luck finding a place to do it. I think you'll find that it's not as easy as you may have been told, most likely by people who had it done or heard about it a few years ago.

By the way, you will never have to pay $600 for the actual repairs. I believe the repair limit is $450; if you pay that much, even if you haven't done ALL of the necessary repairs, you get a conditional pass, which means you're fine to drive and you just have to get another e-test in 2 years. It's really not that much money if you're already prepared to pay $250 for a fake.

It's a 2002, still catless! It has to do with preparation right before I get to the e-test facility and the way they run the test for my car, they both work together to get me to JUST pass!

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Originally posted by DigiNut Brilliant. You do know that an e-test has nothing whatsoever to do with CO2, right? Emissions testing is intended to prevent toxic or hazardous emissions. That includes: - Hydrocarbons (HC, - incomplete combustion products) - Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) - Carbon Monoxide (CO - that's the one that will kill you if you leave your car running in the garage for 3 hours). Drive Clean doesn't even regulate CO2 emissions. But I'm sure you already knew that, and were just making a joke, right? Technically, since the main component in emissions control is the catalytic converter which converts a lot of those other bad things into harmless CO2, passing an emissions test would actually be increasing one's "carbon footprint."

Aaron = t3h knowledgeable

If you're willing to do the work yourself, change the spark plugs, PCV valve and air filter. Then go and get an oil change.

If you only need a slight improvement in order to pass, these simple things might see you through.

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Originally posted by pmoisse If you're willing to do the work yourself, change the spark plugs, PCV valve and air filter. Then go and get an oil change.

to add ....

Run the highest octane gas your engine can take, but before you do that; DO seafoam your engine; clean it up. IF the engine has surpassed mods, chances are there are build up. SEAFOAM the engine from top to bottom, change to spanking new oil, modest octane fuel and go with your car warmed up, drive it for at least 60 KM before and make sure it's warmed up properly. Some shops will have you wait a bit before they actually do the etest, so be careful.

If you have a HI-flow cat, than that might be a problem, you should find somebody in the community who's willing to make a swap with you for a OEM cat. Also higher volume injectors are a tad of a problem with emission, but unless you have a turbo or S/C you need not worry.
Resonator has nothing to do with emissions, it's there sound dissipation and higher flow.

There are cheaper, easier and safer ways to get your car to pass e-test; Good Luck!

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Originally posted by Nick Cenik Aaron = t3h knowledgeable

Fuck man...

Google and wiki will make anybody look like Einstein...

Another little trick is to put 3 bottles of gas line antifreeze in your tank just before you do your 60 km run...

They sell that guaranteed to pass stuff at crappy tire and it's the same as the antifreeze...

Just more expensive...

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar To pass on (correct) information? I find Aaron insightful myself, and am almost always happy to read his posts. He very effectively (and blatantly, yes) corrects a great deal of most ppl's misconceptions.

Gotta keep in mind that this is tranceaddict and not scienceaddict...

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Originally posted by VDub Fuck man... Google and wiki will make anybody look like Einstein...

The fact that you automatically assume that I would have either the time or the inclination for such antics or that it would seriously fool any intelligent person says a lot more about you than it does about me. It's doubly funny to watch you fire off these blabbering mud babies to people who have actually met me and know exactly what I'm about.

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Originally posted by teufel-man Gotta keep in mind that this is tranceaddict and not scienceaddict...

Right, nor is it autoaddict or politics addict or enviroaddict. If we limited all discussions on this forum to trance music then it would be very dead very fast.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Right, nor is it autoaddict or politics addict or enviroaddict. If we limited all discussions on this forum to trance music then it would be very dead very fast.

My point was we are all experts on trance, but not on other shit, so when someone misuses the word carbon its not all that necessary to correct them.

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Originally posted by teufel-man My point was we are all experts on trance,

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Originally posted by teufel-man My point was we are all experts on trance, but not on other shit, so when someone misuses the word carbon its not all that necessary to correct them.

1. I'd gladly have my scrotum shaved before calling myself an "expert" on trance.

2. I can't believe that after all of these replies, you've still managed to totally miss the point. It wasn't about a "misuse of the word carbon", it was about a blanket misrepresentation of the actual purpose of an emissions test, one that could very well serve to encourage people to cheat on them when they are actually really important.

3. If someone who is clearly not an expert in a certain subject makes direct or implied claims about it, it's even more important to set the record straight. If someone who was an expert said something that sounded false or fallacious to me, my immediate reaction would be to check my own sources and make sure I wasn't mistaken, or, failing that, ask for an impartial reference to follow up on.

You can just keep digging that hole deeper if you want, but I would recommend at this point that you look sad and be quiet.

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Originally posted by DigiNut

Relax!

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Originally posted by DigiNut 1. I'd gladly have my scrotum shaved before calling myself an "expert" on trance.

scrotum fro ftw!

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