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Originally posted by Arbiter You forgot: 8. Legalize rape.

Maybe. But that might have the complication that men would be too busy protecting or avenging female relatives to have much sex.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Maybe. But that might have the complication that men would be too busy protecting or avenging female relatives to have much sex.

True; we might want to supplement it with

9. Women are property; and
10. The state will provide a considerable subsidy to owners of women for each child they bear.

in which case the owner would have exclusive (but alienable) rape rights and there will be a strong market incentive to maximize reproductive efficiency.

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Originally posted by Arbiter True; we might want to supplement it with 9. Women are property; and 10. The state will provide a considerable subsidy to owners of women for each child they bear. in which case the owner would have exclusive (but alienable) rape rights and there will be a strong market incentive to maximize reproductive efficiency.

Good thinking. With such brilliant political principles in place, the culture of life will be triumphant once and for all.

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Could you Americans please get Obama to appoint both MrJiveBoJingles and Arbiter for the Ministry of Health and Property? Pretty please?

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Originally posted by Theresa "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve."

What a great argument

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Originally posted by Theresa Is it reasonable to expect someones beliefs to reflect their sexual preferences/attractions?

To some extent, yes. We can't live in a world without belief, so it's only natural that they shape how we see the world to some extent. If I believe you like me, to give a trivial example, it's quite likely that the feeling will be mutual (pun intended).

From that, to something more substantial (yet fictional). Someone tells me, for whatever reason, that I'm highly compatible with red haired girls. Not only that, I'm led to believe red haired girls are better in bed, are extremely docile as long as they're allowed to make me sandwiches, and are more loyal and loving partners. How would that not be perfect?!

Next time I'm in a club, and I see both an average red haired girl and a blonde bombshell looking at me, how do you think I'm going to focus on? All other things being equal, the blonde is just the plan B.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN whats the point of this thread? that christians are inconsistent? you dont say.

/thread
/Bible
/whatev

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Originally posted by ManiX hey ok...i understand there are some man are acting a little girly but that's ok...homosexuality isn't ok for me because i see it as "Hey everyone's fucking a girl...i'm going to be the cool guy and i'm going to brake all moral and religious rules and i'm going to fuck a guy" And it's not natural...and also...not my concern if someone would rather have a CROWN than a SWORD between his legs

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Originally posted by ManiX why? i think those methods do present a form of a personal choice...you want it? OK...you don't? birth control

hello moron.

LMAO @ the replies.

After thinking about it longer, I still think it's hypocritical to support an act by being positive about it and at the same time claiming it's "wrong". "Yay, murder is fun to watch!! But it is so horrible and wrong! The bible says so! Let's go watch some people getting murdered." Ummm, no.

I agree that it seems like he is just using the bible to justify his own prejudice.

So irritating.

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Originally posted by RickyM Oh fuck off Alex, the bible does promote hating gay people, it says that they should be stoned to death. How is that not promoting hate? The problem is that the bible is so unclear and contradictory on many issues that it can be used to justify any viewpoint. And christianity is no more a religion of peace than I am the president of the USA.

Don't tell me to fuck off.

Christians that use Leviticus as means to hate on gays are hypocrites, especially since OUR book is the NEW Testament and the Old is used mostly to predict the new.

If a Christian wants to hate on jews they also are not allowed to play football or have accidentally plant shit in their neighbor's yard or they'll also be killed. The point I was making is that in the New Testament, the testament that Christians are instructed with and are supposed to live their lives according to, does not promote hating anyone. That's why if you "are struck by your brother, offer him your other cheek" etc etc.

Christianity IS a religion of peace, it's people that get in the way of that and abuse their positions of power and so called knowledge to push their own agendas. If you want to argue semantics, be my guest, but you'll lose because put quite simply I'm smarter and more knowledgeable on the subject than you.

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Originally posted by Alex The bible is against homosexual acts. Both between heterosexual men and homosexual men (yes heterosexuals used to and still do prostitute themselves and what not). But the bible doesn't promote hating gay people, any person who follows the bible's teachings and hates gay people and persecutes them/makes them feel like shit/etc are hypocrites and deserved to be called out on it. It's dumb that a religion of love and peace gets so perverted by people who use it to judge others and to push their political/cultural agendas.

It doesn't promote hating gay people but it has no problem having them executed.

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Originally posted by Alex I'm smarter and more knowledgeable on the subject than you.

I can confirm that. Along with Moral Hazard, he's one of the reasons why I don't even dare to say "Christians are idiots/ignorants/deluded" or anything of that sort. And he actually knows his stuff, unlike most bible-thumpers (not that he is one).

See my above post Krypton. If the big argument here is going to be about Leviticus then argue with an Orthodox Jew or a Hasidic Jew. The teachings in Leviticus are contradicted and discontinued in the New Testament and are replaced by tolerance. It's amusing to me that dumb atheists (not saying you Krypton, more along the lines of Ricky Martin or whatever RickyM is supposed to stand for) think Christians cling to Leviticus as a safety blanket when in fact a vast majority of Christians pay very little attention to it and focus on the new and positive message of the Gospels.

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Originally posted by Theresa I basically called him a hypocrite after that, but then I started to wonder, is it hypocritical of a person to be attracted to something they believe is fundamentally wrong (based on their religious beliefs?)

You should give him to me so I can rape him.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson You should give him to me so I can rape him.

My pleasure. Do you like skinny, dumbass black guys?

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Originally posted by Alex See my above post Krypton. If the big argument here is going to be about Leviticus then argue with an Orthodox Jew or a Hasidic Jew. The teachings in Leviticus are contradicted and discontinued in the New Testament and are replaced by tolerance. It's amusing to me that dumb atheists (not saying you Krypton, more along the lines of Ricky Martin or whatever RickyM is supposed to stand for) think Christians cling to Leviticus as a safety blanket when in fact a vast majority of Christians pay very little attention to it and focus on the new and positive message of the Gospels.

Doesn't 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 basically call homosexuals criminals and equate them on the same level as prostitutes, thieves, drunkards, and liars? Every gay person I'v meet are attracted to the same sex in exactly the same way a straight person is attracted to the opposite sex. I don't understand why a loving god would punish people for feeling this way.

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Originally posted by Theresa My pleasure. Do you like skinny, dumbass black guys?

Skinny stupid...Bleh. Just tell him that being black is wrong and when he says "why do you say that?!?" just reply, "ohhhh I can be just as narrow minded as you."

The bright side is gay marriage will become legalized soon as open-minded teenagers become legal and old people die off.

You know what, fuck it, I'll say it. The only reason religion is still relevant and practiced is cause it has essentially been grandfather clause'd into public life from generation to generation.

That aside, whose fucking business is it for Christians to say whether or not gay people can get married. Thats a question I don't think I've ever heard answered completely. The only argument I've heard is that it 'violates the sanctity of marriage,' but since when is marriage only for christians? What the hell is so wrong with saying that if you're christian, don't marry someone of the same sex, but if you're not then go for it?

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Originally posted by mezzir You know what, fuck it, I'll say it. The only reason religion is still relevant and practiced is cause it has essentially been grandfather clause'd into public life from generation to generation. That aside, whose fucking business is it for Christians to say whether or not gay people can get married. Thats a question I don't think I've ever heard answered completely. The only argument I've heard is that it 'violates the sanctity of marriage,' but since when is marriage only for christians? What the hell is so wrong with saying that if you're christian, don't marry someone of the same sex, but if you're not then go for it?

I agree that if someone isn't Christian they can do whatever they want, but if you call yourself Christian follow the rules.

Because there is free speech, any group is allowed to have a voice. Therefore Christians are allowed to be against gay marriage just like (if they wanted) gay people can be against Christian marriage.

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Originally posted by Alex I agree that if someone isn't Christian they can do whatever they want, but if you call yourself Christian follow the rules. Because there is free speech, any group is allowed to have a voice. Therefore Christians are allowed to be against gay marriage just like (if they wanted) gay people can be against Christian marriage.

So then you think that gay marriage should be perfectly legal?

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Originally posted by Krypton Doesn't 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 basically call homosexuals criminals and equate them on the same level as prostitutes, thieves, drunkards, and liars? Every gay person I'v meet are attracted to the same sex in exactly the same way a straight person is attracted to the opposite sex. I don't understand why a loving god would punish people for feeling this way.

Homosexual offenders, aka people who commit homosexual acts. Notice how he references male prostitutes right before? That's what he's referring to when he writes that passage.

As for marriage, the reason a male Christian cant marry a fellow man or woman marry a woman is because it wont result in a baby. Marriage = babies. At least for Catholics, I'm sure those crazy protestants have come up with all kinds of other stuff

If a homosexual wants to become a Christian then the reality is they are going to have to live a chaste life. Just like many Christians do, and many homosexual Christians do.



On the other hand, as a Catholic, I am not against law makers making homosexual marriages legal. Why? Because not everyone believes what I do, but if you want to be a Christian then tough luck. I'm not someone who goes around crapping on other people's beliefs regardless of how I feel about them (unless it's something truly horrible like child molesting or rape etc yes yes Catholic priest joke ).

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Originally posted by mezzir So then you think that gay marriage should be perfectly legal?

I'm all for it being legal, but when it comes to calling yourself a Christian, sorry it's a no no for men to fuck each other in the pooper.

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Originally posted by Alex when in fact a vast majority of Christians pay very little attention to it and focus on the new and positive message of the Gospels.

Thanks for admitting that you cherry pick from the bible. The message of the gospel is positive? You mean the message that states that people will burn in hell for not believing that jesus was the son of god?
Leviticus is relevant to this discussion, regardless of how you dodge the issue. Whether or not the laws still apply, it was still your god advocating these horrors, if that's the sort of being you want to worship then fine...but don't call me 'dumb'.

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Originally posted by Alex I'm all for it being legal, but when it comes to calling yourself a Christian, sorry it's a no no for men to fuck each other in the pooper.

Could you state the bible verse which you base this viewpoint on?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles 4. No recreational drugs for anyone, except Viagra and maybe some alcohol to spur on the sex drive.

Ice makes people horny as fuck.

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Originally posted by RickyM Thanks for admitting that you cherry pick from the bible. The message of the gospel is positive? You mean the message that states that people will burn in hell for not believing that jesus was the son of god? Leviticus is relevant to this discussion, regardless of how you dodge the issue. Whether or not the laws still apply, it was still your god advocating these horrors, if that's the sort of being you want to worship then fine...but don't call me 'dumb'.

Thanks for admitting that you actually have 0 understanding of how the Christian Religion works. Surprise, most of us don't take the Old Testament literally. Your knowledge is at best laughable.

As far as anyone refusing to accept Jesus as their savior burning in hell, I believe your understanding just took yet another turn for the worse. No surprise there. You're a prime example of someone, who in real life probably isn't such a bad guy. You have a warped view of what and who God is because of silly teachings, therefore you have no real understanding of who Jesus was. Yet, without knowing, you probably lead a good life quite similar to his without actually understanding or really knowing who he was exactly. This means that you have accepted his message whether you realize it or not and the Gospels and Paul's letters make it clear that this is yet another path to salvation.

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Could you state the bible verse which you base this viewpoint on?

As for the above retardation, Krypton already provided a Biblical source and I imagine even with your limited understanding of things you know the story of Sodom. So kindly allow me to keep calling you dumb until you succeed in not getting completely owned by me in every one of your posts you pleb.

is homosexuality bad? - see below

is homosexuality natural? - NO

should homosexuality be tolerated? - as long as it doesn't endanger the natural development (incl. reproduction) of mankind. we tolerate mentally ill people, right? what if mentally ill people started running around and impregnating women? now thats what a shotgun is for

should gay marriage be legalized? - why not? just another name for two gays dating.

should gay couples adopt children? - NO! see below

should homosexuality be popularized? - NO! because of its unnatural essence. homosexuality should stay where it appeared but in no way should it be spread (popularized) into youth.

that's about all

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