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4 chan eq > all your moms.

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Originally posted by elFreak 4 chan eq > all your moms.

I feel like it would get annoying, I need to try these out. Hard to find a shop with these mixers...

I'm leaning towards the Ecler, especially with the 10% off deal going on at agi right now.

The only negative thing I've heard about the Evo 4 is that the mid range EQ is a little too wide making the low and highs a little thin. Can anyone comment on this?

My 3.0 comes in tomorrow, I'll know more about the mid range frequency then. From all the reviews I read about it, they all seemed to mention this, but no one ever said it was an issue or drawback. Just something a little different then most mixer's.

hmmm. I wonder if the Evo allows to alter the ranges of each EQ??

wasnt that only on the evo5?

Any other ecler users that can comment on the mids?

I don't own an Evo, but in Traktor 3.0, the emulated Evo mixer has especially strong mids.

Got my ecler 3.0 last night, haven't had much time to play with, but as far as I can tell yeah the mid range's do have quite a wide range to it, but not life changing. The high's still do their job, and the low's still have their purpose. The thing I noticed most was that the mid's have more bass in them then my previous korg mixer did. So my bass eq's were lower on average then I have had in the past. I'll be able to give it a good test over the weekend and report back. With just playing with it for over an hour though, this mixer was money well spent. I'd highly recommend any of the nuo's.

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Originally posted by amp3 Got my ecler 3.0 last night, haven't had much time to play with, but as far as I can tell yeah the mid range's do have quite a wide range to it, but not life changing. The high's still do their job, and the low's still have their purpose. The thing I noticed most was that the mid's have more bass in them then my previous korg mixer did. So my bass eq's were lower on average then I have had in the past. I'll be able to give it a good test over the weekend and report back. With just playing with it for over an hour though, this mixer was money well spent. I'd highly recommend any of the nuo's.

When you say you had your bass eq's lower on average, do you just mean that in order to kill more bass you would need to dial down your bass eq more than you previously would had to on your last mixer?

When you completely kill the bass, does it remove all the thumps are do the mids still have bass?

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Originally posted by Neo95gt When you say you had your bass eq's lower on average, do you just mean that in order to kill more bass you would need to dial down your bass eq more than you previously would had to on your last mixer? When you completely kill the bass, does it remove all the thumps are do the mids still have bass?

Alright sorry this is so late, not sure if you even need anymore input. Regarding the bass, it is a total kill, and the mid is a much fuller sound. Kind of hard without hearing, but I will try to describe. Basically on my previous mixer (korg KM-402) if I had the bass at 1 o'clock, the mid would be at 1-2 o'clock. With the ecler, If the mid is at 1-2 o'clock the bass could be at 12, and produce a full sound. Again this is all subject to what tune you are playing, but this is just a trend I noticed that the low eq was a little lower than the mid. The EQ's on the ecler really play well /compliment each other, whereas previous mixer's I have used, they seem so independent. The mids don't really thump. If you haven't watch it already, check out this vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwP5MRHJodQ

Hope that made some sort of sense. Maybe someone else can describe it better

1 thing I have noticed while using my Xone 92 over the past month and half is that i rarely if ever go above 12 o'clock now on any of the EQ's.


I'll always compensate the Eq's by decreasing them rather than increasing them. It's weird as I used to be all over the shop on my last mixer.

I think it's mainly down to the fact that there's only +6 db increase on any of the EQ's which really does sweet FA to the sound.

Obviously I include the usual TA disclaimer that I have every now and again increased an EQ blah blah but just saying i don't as much on my 92.



nelly

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Originally posted by Neo Hacker That's what I was doing but I wasn't using the crossfader as dry/wet. It was more of an on/off switch. I was switching very fast from one end to another, so I could still use the dry/wet button on the EFX, which is more convenient. Also, note that there's a 1ms lag between the send and the receive. I've done multiple testing, and when the EFX is not set at ByPass, if you put your crossfader of 92 to the middle, you will have an echo in your sound, which is caused by a 1ms delay from your original sound to your efx output. This is why I used the ON/OFF thing as crossfader. I don't understand what you mean by using the EFX two channels at the same time. Do you mean sending 2 channels to the EFX ? If so it's very easy, just turn the AUX SEND knob on the second channel, as you did for the first ... it will send both signals to the EFX and it will return in 1 channel. You cannot return the EFX on 2 separate channels, it has only 1 output, unless you split it, but this is useless. If you wanna use multiple sources, play with the AUX SEND knobs, this is the correct way on a studio mixer Hope this helps

Aha! thanks man! Really, i did not know that there was a 1ms delay in the send output to the efx!
That just makes the djm800 fx solution even better
But i want a 92 and im gonna either wait for Serato+Ableton app that they are making, or buy traktor scratch!
All im asking for is an echo fx.. the rest i dont need
Yes! i did mean if i would want to send to channels to efx. That sounded easy.. jus coming back in one channel.

But when you switch the crossfader on the 92 very very fast, is there a slighest difference / notice of sound change?

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Originally posted by n3lly 1 thing I have noticed while using my Xone 92 over the past month and half is that i rarely if ever go above 12 o'clock now on any of the EQ's. I'll always compensate the Eq's by decreasing them rather than increasing them. It's weird as I used to be all over the shop on my last mixer. I think it's mainly down to the fact that there's only +6 db increase on any of the EQ's which really does sweet FA to the sound. Obviously I include the usual TA disclaimer that I have every now and again increased an EQ blah blah but just saying i don't as much on my 92. nelly

Ive noticed i dont go past 0db on any of my eqs either. I donno its something about keeping it sounding as pure as possible for me. If i needed to change the sound i would just use the filters.

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Originally posted by amp3 Alright sorry this is so late, not sure if you even need anymore input. Regarding the bass, it is a total kill, and the mid is a much fuller sound. Kind of hard without hearing, but I will try to describe. Basically on my previous mixer (korg KM-402) if I had the bass at 1 o'clock, the mid would be at 1-2 o'clock. With the ecler, If the mid is at 1-2 o'clock the bass could be at 12, and produce a full sound. Again this is all subject to what tune you are playing, but this is just a trend I noticed that the low eq was a little lower than the mid. The EQ's on the ecler really play well /compliment each other, whereas previous mixer's I have used, they seem so independent. The mids don't really thump. If you haven't watch it already, check out this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwP5MRHJodQ Hope that made some sort of sense. Maybe someone else can describe it better

Makes perfect sense. Thanks!

I pulled the trigger on the Evo 4. It was hard saying no to the Xone, but in the end I thought the Evo would be best for me. 10% off sale at Agi FTW. Will be here in a few days, can't wait.

You are going to love it, I understand why a previous poster said it is the most future proof. A lot of options with it.

I hate the knobs on the ecler. The center on them is really loose and they're too fat and generally the whole mixer just feels kind of cheap. The faders are also way too loose, as bad if not worse than the xone 92.

So far the 92 rotary is probably the overall best and most fun mixer I've played on.

Yea, I'm a pretty big dude with big hands so I prefer bigger knobs

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Originally posted by Neo95gt Yea, I'm a pretty big dude with big hands so I prefer bigger knobs

Nice... it'd be a great Sig quote if i had sigs enabled in my settings.


/childish mode

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Originally posted by n3lly Nice... it'd be a great Sig quote if i had sigs enabled in my settings. /childish mode

hahahahah, I'm not gonna even edit that cause of how tremendously gay that sounds. Wow, how did I not catch that

I don't mind large knobs if they feel smooth and sturdy, like the rotary ones on the xone 92 or rotary Rane. The ecler just feels cheap as fuck.

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Originally posted by andresi Aha! thanks man! Really, i did not know that there was a 1ms delay in the send output to the efx! That just makes the djm800 fx solution even better But i want a 92 and im gonna either wait for Serato+Ableton app that they are making, or buy traktor scratch! All im asking for is an echo fx.. the rest i dont need Yes! i did mean if i would want to send to channels to efx. That sounded easy.. jus coming back in one channel. But when you switch the crossfader on the 92 very very fast, is there a slighest difference / notice of sound change?

I didn't notice really. You have to go fast, that's all !

Another question about the 92!

the Cue system.. how does it work? I know that if you push channel 1&2 simultanesly you listen to them two in the headphones.

But i never do that with my djm800, instead i (for example), want to listen one channel, and the master in the headphones.. Does the 'Add mix' knob allow me to do that? Switching between master and headphones (channel)cueing?
Does it work like the mixing knob (above the level knob) on the djm800?

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Originally posted by andresi Another question about the 92! the Cue system.. how does it work? I know that if you push channel 1&2 simultanesly you listen to them two in the headphones. But i never do that with my djm800, instead i (for example), want to listen one channel, and the master in the headphones.. Does the 'Add mix' knob allow me to do that? Switching between master and headphones (channel)cueing? Does it work like the mixing knob (above the level knob) on the djm800?

if you cue a channel then you will hear that playing in your headphones.

if your channel 1 is playing then it is playing a lower volume on your headphones than it would be if you cued it.

I have my monitor knob set all the way to cue and not 'add mix'.

if channel 1 is playing and you cue channel 2 then you will hear channel 2

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Just got the Evo in the mail. I can see what Clovis means about the cheap knobs. The EQs are good...pretty sturdy, the effects/midi row knobs are pretty cheap feeling....but they are free spinning and clickable so I'll let it slide. The other buttons and sliders are butter. Time to play, woot!

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