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Re: Re: Re: The continuing hate for Ableton DJs

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles By "move on" I meant "move past the stage of being suspicious / dismissive toward DJs who don't use turntables," not stopping using turntables completely. I still love records.

Oh, I misunderstood. In that case it's a fair argument.

I think that people should use laptops for DJ'ing if they are going to do something more than just put tracks together. I don't mean use tonnes of effects just for the hell of it but edits, extra loops & things that add to the set.

Recently I saw Nic Fanciulli & Joris Voorn both play on laptops and both were noticably worse than the last sets I saw them play where they were on CDJ's. There's no point in switching if you're not going to step it up a notch or at least output the same quality.

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Originally posted by m1kest4r Recently I saw Nic Fanciulli & Joris Voorn both play on laptops and both were noticably worse than the last sets I saw them play where they were on CDJ's. There's no point in switching if you're not going to step it up a notch or at least output the same quality.

Now that you say it...I agree.

Saw Fanciulli at Room in 2005, then again at 161 in 2007.

Saw Voorn at Digital Music Festival 2006 and then Prince in 2008.

Their latest efforts at Brown Alley were piss-poor in comparison. Perhaps they're just adjusting to laptops? Maybe in a year they'll be even better than before?

Has nothing to do with their laptops and everything to do with the music they're playing.

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Originally posted by Clovis What really matters is the music you play, and why.

Amen to that. As long as the beats are tight could care less what type of set up they use. To me the end product is what matters.

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Originally posted by Clovis Has nothing to do with their laptops and everything to do with the music they're playing.

Fanciulli...probably yes.

Joris, no. He played very similar stuff to his 2008 gig but just didn't have the flow or crowd interaction this time.

serato > ableton

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Originally posted by Domesticated Fanciulli...probably yes. Joris, no. He played very similar stuff to his 2008 gig but just didn't have the flow or crowd interaction this time.

Joris I guess could be excused for his laptop set, it being the Balance CD launch. I guess his aim was to reflect the content on the CD buttttt it didn't have anywhere near the flow that either of the discs have. On top of that, there didn't seem to the same technical aspect of cramming tracks in...not that it's easy to pick up on that on the floor when it's as subtle as it can be on the Balance CD. Nor was it anywhere near close to the flow he had @ Prince last year either. Disappointing to say the least!

Fanciulli has no real excuse I think, his set was poorly constructed. Especially the last half an hour, I just didn't get it. Not only that bar his flirt with an intro there wasn't anything 'new' that he added to his set from the last times I've seen him.

who the fuck cares
if the show goes good, the show goes good
do djs have to work so hard in the set?
if that were true, lets chop off an arm of a dj and call it the next big thing after ableton

Some people in this thread already mentioned that using software as a DJ bores you kinda quick if you dont do all the time some effects or stuff like that. I completely agree and thats why I continue to use decks, simply because I feel attached to the party that way, not just sit there. Thats just me.

And to the people who say that what comes from the speakers matters, well, in that case if the DJ plays a premixed CD which is awesome, you will still dance your ass off but when you understand that will you still feel good? I will not.

I think I've consistently held a rather simple position on the matter, which is that the only significance medium possesses is relative to the extent it enables a DJ to capably perform the act of DJ'ing. If, for some reason, you feel that laptop DJ'ing is the most effective means for facilitating your constructing something musically unique and truly special, then by all means, be a laptop DJ. On the other hand, if it's proving detrimental to this end (for reasons like the ones nefardec suggested), then perhaps it's time to rethink it, or abandon it completely.

Maybe venues should just hide the DJ's gear from view, so some people could stop getting hung up on how the music's being played (not that most club crowds care either way).

Anyway, I think we've all had this argument way too many times.

I don't really give two fucks about the medium as long as I like what I'm hearing.

Re: Re: The continuing hate for Ableton DJs

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Originally posted by wotyzoid e.g. Even though I love Boratto's music I'd much rather see this in person...

Apples/oranges, though. The problem with these examples is that the stuff happening in the first video has nothing to do with the medium being played since everything his happening on the mixer. While it is very impressive to have four actual decks stay in sync for any given period of time, if it's the movement and interaction you want, any DJ can have an epileptic seizure on their mixer like that regardless of where the audio signals are coming from.

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Originally posted by david.michael Apples/oranges, though. The problem with these examples is that the stuff happening in the first video has nothing to do with the medium being played since everything his happening on the mixer. While it is very impressive to have four actual decks stay in sync for any given period of time, if it's the movement and interaction you want, any DJ can have an epileptic seizure on their mixer like that regardless of where the audio signals are coming from.

If you had the choice to go see him play that exact same set on vinyl or ableton which one would you choose?

I know I would rather see him do it on vinyl, simply because it is much more impressive.

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Originally posted by Sadface If you had the choice to go see him play that exact same set on vinyl or ableton which one would you choose? I know I would rather see him do it on vinyl, simply because it is much more impressive.

Either way, I'd say "he's having a damn seizure on the mixer" and would feel it's not adding anything to the music.

But, yes, it is more impressive from a technical standpoint to have four technics sync'ed. That doesn't mean I'll enjoy the music more. If I'm going out to be impressed by technical skill, I'm going to go watch a turntablist/good hip-hop DJ. If I'm going out to enjoy the music and atmosphere, I'm not going to pay attention to medium.

Re: Re: Re: The continuing hate for Ableton DJs

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Originally posted by david.michael if it's the movement and interaction you want, any DJ can have an epileptic seizure on their mixer like that regardless of where the audio signals are coming from.

pretty much always the end all to this discussion.

there are shitloads of "boring" djs on every medium not just digital.

id love to see them use tapedecks. vinyl is dead and so is software. with tapedecks you can put whatever u like on them, and u can say prepare two or three tracks before your night and then u can have more time ruin the mixers unused channels or walking around interacting with the crowd.

How about Timecode vinyl mixing?

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Originally posted by Trance-MB How about Timecode vinyl mixing?

Huge number of jocks switching to that in the last year or so.

Ableton's EQs (at least the ones I'm using) kinda... suck? I don't really know because I have nothing to compare to but they seem to bleed a lot.

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Originally posted by palm id love to see them use tapedecks. vinyl is dead and so is software. with tapedecks you can put whatever u like on them, and u can say prepare two or three tracks before your night and then u can have more time ruin the mixers unused channels or walking around interacting with the crowd.

kerri chandler still does tape

That Jeff Milligan video stinks. After about 15 minutes I'd say myself "please let the music play you asshole"

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Originally posted by enydo Ableton's EQs (at least the ones I'm using) kinda... suck? I don't really know because I have nothing to compare to but they seem to bleed a lot.

Not necessary to EQ internally though.

I play with Traktor, but I mix with a real-life mixer. (I use Traktor Pro's filter's though, since my mixer doesn't have them. )

Yeah I figured, all I could afford for now was a midi controller though so I gotta deal. I just hate how the eqs seem to scoop so much.

This also looks nice





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