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from the second you told me you were a self proclaimed "professional"
I find your psychology fascinating. The entire reason you make music is so that you can feel like you can do something everyone else can't. Not for expression, or love, or compulsion, but just because you want to feel special. Then you come on here seeking attention by saying "oh I'm so bad I hate myself".
Its great having these threads because it shows me one motivation I never want to drive my music making, so now I know to steer clear of that.
Maybe we'd all develop more pro skills if we stopped sitting around talking about how un-pro we feel?
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Maybe we'd all develop more pro skills if we stopped sitting around talking about how un-pro we feel? |
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| Originally posted by kitphillips I find your psychology fascinating. The entire reason you make music is so that you can feel like you can do something everyone else can't. Not for expression, or love, or compulsion, but just because you want to feel special. Then you come on here seeking attention by saying "oh I'm so bad I hate myself". Its great having these threads because it shows me one motivation I never want to drive my music making, so now I know to steer clear of that. |
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| I think more than anything I really just aspire to be a pro. Not for money, not for anything else but the knowledge that I can make something 99% of producers out there most likely can't. |
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| Originally posted by kitphillips Pardon me, you said it. I know its easy to fall into the trap of making music for reasons other than the love. You can start making it so you have something to play at your next gig, or so people will like you more, or to impress people, or to feel more special, or for the money. But whenever that happens you lose the ability to make good music IMO and become more and more frustrated. |
Make a track called something like Call On Me.
Then make a big progressive house anthem.
After that you can write random crap and still reach #1 spot.
Gratz, your pro
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| Originally posted by Subtle Make a track called something like Call On Me. Then make a big progressive house anthem. After that you can write random crap and still reach #1 spot. Gratz, your pro |
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| Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox If its a "trap", or can become one as you say. Than you are saying: music producer = makes music (its what he does right?) trap = music. music + music producer = producer is in a TRAP. (the logic) How do people make music in trap? why kind of trap is this? Never heard of it in my life. People in traps dont want to be there. |
What? Heres another hint, stop taking so much drugs 
I concur with the viewpoint that being professional is making a living from music.
Generally that means you're making better music than most. But there are professionals whose music doesn't sound particularly brilliant, and amateurs whose music does sound brilliant.
Professional isn't about the quality of the music, though a lot of people use the word in that way.
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| Originally posted by echosystm wtf? miami to atlanta, f12, pjanoo, mousville theme and control freak are fuckin sweet as! what is wrong with you! |
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| Originally posted by derail Professional isn't about the quality of the music, though a lot of people use the word in that way. |
(sad but true perhaps 
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i think its all to do with finding that balance between making good tracks and having a share off the lime lite. making a name for yourself,to the point were people get to here them,in the club on the net and even in the sreet. this to me sums up what a pro is.
pro = sidechain M I RITE?!
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| Originally posted by MOK pro = sidechain M I RITE?! |
Eh, but seriously, the concept of pro in this context is vague, mutable, arbitrary. Trying to nail down where the line is seems silly to me.
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I already said that. |
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| Originally posted by MOK Eh, but seriously, the concept of pro in this context is vague, mutable, arbitrary. Trying to nail down where the line is seems silly to me. |
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| Originally posted by kitphillips What? Heres another hint, stop taking so much drugs |
Robby Rox, you have without doubt said some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever read on this forum in this thread.
Everything you've said
a) doesn't make sense
b) is completely wrong when it does makes sense
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| Originally posted by G-Con Robby Rox, you have without doubt said some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever read on this forum in this thread. Everything you've said a) doesn't make sense b) is completely wrong when it does makes sense |
Its funny how I come here looking for some advice because for some strange reason I assume theres smart guys in this forum (not saying there isn't but not one person has really offered any sort of in-depth explanation on the topic.
But once again google comes through!
What Does a Professional Musician Do?
A professional musician is able to support himself/herself by performing. Professional musicians may be part of a band or an orchestra. Some musicians even prefer to have their own solo act. Often, it is easier for professional musicians to make a living by performing with other musicians or singers. If a professional musician chooses to be part of a band, they may make money by performing at events like conventions, parties or weddings. Some musicians are able to get a record deal with a music label and produce music.
Areas of Study for a Professional Musician:
Many professional musicians have attended a music program at a university, college or arts college. While enrolled in a music program, students further develop their natural abilities and increase their understanding of composition and other music fundamentals. Here are some sample courses a student may take at a music program:
Music Theory
Applied Music
Music Production Workshop
Music History and Literature
Music Education
Introduction to Non-Western Types of Music
Performance-Major Instrument
Performance-Secondary Instrument
Instrumental Ensembles
At many schools, students also have the option to minor in a particular genre or style of music.
Career Outlook for Musicians:
According to those at College Board, www.collegeboard.com, government experts anticipate jobs for musicians to increase as fast as the average for all careers. However, experts warn that it may be even more difficult for those who want a solo career.
Earnings Information for Musicians:
In 2004, the musicians in the middle fifty percent earning bracket made between $9.68 and $30.75 an hour, as reported by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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Under this explanation I will never be a professional, even when I'm 60, because I am not going to school for music and I most likely will never do any of the above listed.
So an indie-artist who makes music for free and as a hobby will basically never be considered "pro". They simply don't spend enough time to reach the level of a true pro is what I would infer from this.
End of discussion.
Guess you will never be a pro Robby!
But what about some kid rapper like Soldier boy?! I think for 16 he is able to support himself off the music he makes and i don't think he ever attended a music program at a university or college but i would still call him a pro! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMycfdNdlKA
Somebody who is paid and paid well for whatever they do to contribute to music.
As far as the world in general, just your standard white collar workers. Licensed personnel and upper tier businessmen.
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| Originally posted by atxbigballer1 Guess you will never be a pro Robby! But what about some kid rapper like Soldier boy?! I think for 16 he is able to support himself off the music he makes and i don't think he ever attended a music program at a university or college but i would still call him a pro! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMycfdNdlKA |
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