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Originally posted by MOK The point I'm seeing here is to try and 'prove' analog sounds, specifically, BETTER than a softsynth. Nothing less.

Well, then this thread is really missing the mark, since the Virus isn't analog.

I assume you meant "hardware" rather than "analog."

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Originally posted by kitphillips Bren, close but no medal IMO, it doesn't sound that close to the original. Its like its got an envelope on it, too much unison and the saw is a bit too smooth. Its also less honky than the virus. A couple of notes; 1/ the delay is better left off. All synths have delays, assuming its just a digital delay it should't really colour the sound. They should all sound the same. I could get a lot closer to the sound when you turned the delay off, it was confusing me a fair bit. 2/ it would have been a lot better if you had left the filter envelope in that midi file (not sure if thats actually possible..?) as it was I was guessing a bit. I've got the raw sound pretty similar though. I'm going to tweak mine a touch more and post in the morning. It doesn't sound identical, but I don't think worse...

Yeah the delay really does alot to the sound.
I just recorded and did the automation by hand. Envelopes and everything is by default.
The only thing i did to program this sound was adding 4 unison to a saw wave and automated the filter.

Of course synths are going to sound different because they have differently programmed filters, oscillators, envelope generators, and internal effects. But if the point is that software somehow automatically sounds "worse," I simply don't agree with that. You can go ahead and come up with some stupid insult like "Then maybe your ears aren't working, hur hur!" But it's just subjective in the end.

Neither do I agree with the idea, which I see almost as often, that all soft synths somehow sound "alike" while each piece of VA hardware has an individual character. I think every synth will have its own sound, because of the factors noted above.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Well, then this thread is really missing the mark, since the Virus isn't analog. I assume you meant "hardware" rather than "analog."

Hah, busted! Ouch!
All this time I assumed a virus was analogue. I'm a software guy, so I don't know this hardware stuff. *shrug*

Less talk, more sounds!

Midi is posted, so we're looking at 1 saw osc 4x unison, no filter envelope, no effects, filter automation and normalization to ~0dB (no compression/limiting)
Any synth you think sounds better, post it.

Here are 2 more:

Sylenth:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/j68bge

Z3ta:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/nhntas

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Originally posted by Subtle Very nice initiative, this is going to get fun Well, here it is. VIRUS TEST A single Virus Saw, with 4 unison.. with a slight delay, and increasing filter cutoff. VIRUS TEST NO DELAY Same but with no delay Keep in mind that you must only use the same settings as i have. Here is the MIDI Bring it on.

hey Subtle

to my ears, your file seems to have a nice bit of stereo width - i think that makes it sound better and louder, which may in turn make comparisons seem less good...

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Originally posted by evo8 hey Subtle to my ears, your file seems to have a nice bit of stereo width - i think that makes it sound better and louder, which may in turn make comparisons seem less good...

Yeah that is correct, the Virus has full panspread on the unison by default.
So u might wanna add that.

So far I think the z3ta filter sounds the closest to the Virus. The osc isn't as bright when the filter is open, and it has less stereo width, but other than that it is basically the same.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles So far I think the z3ta filter sounds the closest to the Virus. The osc isn't as bright when the filter is open, and it has less stereo width, but other than that it is basically the same.

So like saying there was 2 twin girls but one had brown teeth and one had white but youd still take a bj from the brown tooth one?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles So far I think the z3ta filter sounds the closest to the Virus. The osc isn't as bright when the filter is open, and it has less stereo width, but other than that it is basically the same.

AFAIK z3ta doesn't have a "stereo spread" option. So this is the best you're gonna get without using effects..


And lets not forget one important thing...
Many VST's are trying to sound like the virus, one way or the other. None can say "virus vst", ofc. But many have tried to get as close as possible. And the result?
None have made it so far. Close, but not close enough. And we're only talking bare bone base sound like the oscillators and filters. If we were to actually compare 2 synths we would have to look at the Virus hypersaw, wavetable, grain and formant synthesis, distortions, phaser, chorus, ring mod, FM mod, the "analog filter" mode, and the new tape delay, frequency shifter and character modes...not to mention the vocoder and atomizer. There is absolutely nothing like it in software. Not even close.
It may be possible to do it.. but has it been done? No.
Unless we're counting the Virus powercore, but that's also not software alone, and the Virus Ti with the new v3.1 OS has a lot more features.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles So far I think the z3ta filter sounds the closest to the Virus. The osc isn't as bright when the filter is open, and it has less stereo width, but other than that it is basically the same.

I had to listen over and over just to see if I could understand what people on this forum are talking about and I just realized.. I have better hearing than all the software lovers.


There is a HUGE difference between those 2 samples.
Sylenth sounds thin, dry, dull, tired, cold, and depressed.

Virus sounds thick, rich, deep, lush, shiny, warm, and depressed (melody) but strong.

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Originally posted by LfmC

This is all true, but I think this thread was started purely about the "sound" of the basic elements like oscs and filters, not the programming features. I don't think anyone would say that there is a softsynth with the exact same programming features as the Virus, and I think most people would acknowledge that there aren't many that can compare purely in terms of the number of programming options.

The Virus is certainly a goldmine of programming opportunities, but the way most people talk around here, you would think that the difference all comes down to the raw "sound," but I don't think the basic elements of good VSTs sound terribly different or worse from those in the Virus.

EDIT:

here's a virus patch that is made with the closest settings possible to the sylenth and z3ta (as mentioned in my previous post):

http://www.sendspace.com/file/gc2m50

Now compare them..

What is it with sendspace and rapidshare?

Do you people like waiting to download files?
Use fileden or filedropper,
rapidshare, megaupload and sendspace all are crap.

The internet has moved on in recent years.

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Originally posted by LfmC EDIT: here's a virus patch that is made with the closest settings possible to the sylenth and z3ta (as mentioned in my previous post): http://www.sendspace.com/file/gc2m50 Now compare them..

Why does that sound different than the original virus patch posted by subtle?
Are you playing a trick?

That sounds like z3ta or sylenth..

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Why does that sound different than the original virus patch posted by subtle? Are you playing a trick?

Nope. That's the Virus Ti. Using usb out (no AD/DA conversion). 4x unison saw (not hypersaw), no efx. I'm not sure which settings subtle used, but it does sounds quite different in the highs. Also he may have used a bit less uni detune.

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That sounds like z3ta or sylenth..

Not sure what you used for monitoring, but it sounds nothing like either of those 2 synths here.

Also the Virus Ti appears to have some sort of built-in limiter as well!
Hmm maybe you guys are onto something, might have check one of these viruses out properly

here's my 2 cents


here

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Why does that sound different than the original virus patch posted by subtle? That sounds like z3ta or sylenth..

Andromeda pwns you all.

yes i agree with alanzo i couldn't get the filter to actually feel the drive in the sound when the frequecny filter is turned right up.

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Originally posted by evo8 Also the Virus Ti appears to have some sort of built-in limiter as well!

It'z the natural shape of the analog waveform

Screw it.. this debate is prolly not going anywhere. And it's no wonder. Comparing little bits of sound is like painters comparing colors. Pointless.

Here's an quick demo I put together, all sounds in all tracks are done using only the virus Ti (except the drums and the 303's ofc. so leads, bass, pads, fx.. all Virus), all live without bouncing (behold the power of the Ti ). They are old unfinished unmastered tracks, so don't expect a pro mix. But it should paint a picture of what the Ti is capable of for all those who don't have one..

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/1...irus%20Demo.mp3
(yes, it's fileden. Enjoy you extra 2 seconds of life )

To me no VST even comes close.. and this comes from a guy who used VST's exclusively since the beginning, all the way up to a couple of years a go. I still have my VST synths, but they see a lot less action now..

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Originally posted by alanzo Andromeda pwns you all.

andromeda.. mm mm yummy

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Originally posted by alanzo Andromeda pwns you all.

Yeah.. andromeda is on the wishlist.
But it's lack of polyphony sucks. Not to mention hearing of all the faulty units many have problems with..

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