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Originally posted by Skipper Huh? The purpose is to enjoy your life while you're living it. That may or may not involve kids. We have a massive population problem on this planet and there is no dire need for every person to spew out more kids...I'd argue procreation is actually detrimental to the planet at this point. However, I do want kids. I just don't see myself getting my life in order until my mid-30's to be able to do so.

You would not have a life to enjoy if it weren't for procreation...

And the population issues are because some people have too many kids probably due to ignorance...

I will agree that having kids in you 30's is ideal...

When you have kids at an early age, I feel that you haven't experienced enough in life to pass any real knowledge on to your kids...

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Originally posted by nadezhda nope. apart from your typical overpopulation/world is totally messed up reasons, i've never really seen them in my future. i don't want that amount of responsibility, nor do i want to be pregnant for 9 months, go through excruciating labour (i think it was the video in grade 11 biology that freaked me out), then have to take care/worry about the child for the rest of its life, not to mention the expense involved. i also worry that i'd be a crap parent or that i'd end up with some little monster. i fully admit i'm also too selfish, but at least i'm honest about it. that's awesome that other people want children and i like my friend's children and my neices and nephews --- i'm not some child-hating monster. they're just not for me. and you know what i really find offensive? when people find out and they say "oh, when you settle down you'll change your mind" because you can't possibly not want children in this world! you never know, maybe i will, but i find it really obnoxious when people say that. i think i'll just get a puppy instead.

LOL...



Wait till you hear the tick tock tick tock...

normally i love kids, but dealing with 16-18yr old teens right now, they are slowly beginning to get on my nerves.

too much me me me, stupid sense of entitlement and overall cluelessness to how the real world works. so far, very few have an idea that they are responsible for their own actions

I plan to have lots of kids. You can get like $5000 a head for those from the sweatshops.

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag I know that a child is behavior is based on the way it's parents raised it and that each child is different. I was such a good little kid when i was younger and i was sooooooooooo loved, i was an only child and the first in the fmaily. But in all honesty little kids have bugged the living _ _ _ _ out of me all my life i could never stand them. And if i feel i won't give my child the same devoition and love i was given by my family i don't think its fair for the child I'm not being selfish i'm putting myself in that childs shoes although a lot of girls who know me tell me i would be a wikkid dad

that is exactly how i feel about it. My parents were absolutely amazing. At times, i was such a brat! selfish, rude, didn't follow their rules. It was only after i moved out on my own....as i think it is for most kids...that i realized that they weren't horrible people out to make my life miserable, that everything they did was for me, to make my life as good as it could be. I don't think i could ever be as good of a mom, as my mom was to me. I am still fairly selfish, and am still trying to figure out my path in life. I 100% know i'm not ready to have kids, and may never be. And i would also want to give my kids the love, devotion, and financial security etc.. that my parents gave me growing up. I am nowhere near ready to do that. I'm not even sure how i feel about bringing kids into this world, in the state that it's currently in. Especially with global warming...not knowing what the outcome will be 10+ years from now. Plus this planet is already overpopulated to begin with....aren't we doing right by NOT having kids?

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Originally posted by DigiNut I plan to have lots of kids. You can get like $5000 a head for those from the sweatshops.

You would get more money for them in the blackmarket for organs.

I love the idea of having kids one day. I'm not ready to now and my girl is WAY too young to consider it, but one day I do look forward to having children. I think my lifestyle right now wouldn't be right and I still have a lot of goals to come first. I would also want to make sure my life and partner were as stable as possible. I also think in todays world, you really have to prepare for a child and make sure that your going to be ready (as much as it's possible at least). I see to many people have a kid for the hell of it, or rush into to save a relationship or something. Choosing not to have a child isn't selfish, too many people DO have kids becasue THEY'RE selfish.

I also beleive that as much as everyone thinks they know what they want, thinks change over time and ESPECIALLY once you have a child. No one really knows how that will change they're outlook on life till it actaully happens...

dealing with a teenager has to be one of the most horrible things on this planet..it makes you feel like your purpose in life was to have this selfish, self serving, egotistical creature treat you like shit but still expect you to jump at their every whim and demand...being the parent of a teenager is a thankless job..

fucking hate teenagers...

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Originally posted by cammaxwell I love the idea of having kids one day. I'm not ready to now and my girl is WAY too young to consider it, but one day I do look forward to having children. I think my lifestyle right now wouldn't be right and I still have a lot of goals to come first. I would also want to make sure my life and partner were as stable as possible. I also think in todays world, you really have to prepare for a child and make sure that your going to be ready (as much as it's possible at least). I see to many people have a kid for the hell of it, or rush into to save a relationship or something. Choosing not to have a child isn't selfish, too many people DO have kids becasue THEY'RE selfish. I also beleive that as much as everyone thinks they know what they want, thinks change over time and ESPECIALLY once you have a child. No one really knows how that will change they're outlook on life till it actaully happens...

Very very well said....

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Originally posted by gummybear dealing with a teenager has to be one of the most horrible things on this planet..it makes you feel like your purpose in life was to have this selfish, self serving, egotistical creature treat you like shit but still expect you to jump at their every whim and demand...being the parent of a teenager is a thankless job.. fucking hate teenagers...

and you were born adult? ?

everyone goes thru that phase... its like for newborns having colic !!! hell i tell you

I can tell you this, now i can respect my parents even more for all the crap they went thru raising me and enduring it... and they raised 4!!! I can barely imagine doing the same only after one.

Can't wait to have kids of my own... but that'll have to wait until I grow up

I'm surprised noone has mentioned adoption here. There are so many kiddies that need a home!

I'd like to have one (in my 30s when I'm all grown up haha) and then adopt one.....you can get a cute baby without all the damage to the cooch.

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Originally posted by Skipper Huh? The purpose is to enjoy your life while you're living it. That may or may not involve kids. We have a massive population problem on this planet and there is no dire need for every person to spew out more kids...I'd argue procreation is actually detrimental to the planet at this point. However, I do want kids. I just don't see myself getting my life in order until my mid-30's to be able to do so.

totally agree. I believe everyone should have two kids. Ideally a boy and a girl. You would need at least 50,000 saved up and plan like years ahead. Crap I don't expect to have kids until i am like 35.

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Originally posted by Kellyboop I'm surprised noone has mentioned adoption here. There are so many kiddies that need a home! I'd like to have one (in my 30s when I'm all grown up haha) and then adopt one.....you can get a cute baby without all the damage to the cooch.

I always wanted to adopt but I also really want to have my own.

No telling where life will take me but I'd love to have a kid or two of my own and then adopt.

The problem with adoption is they make it so expensive, especially if an international adoption.

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Originally posted by jsibilin You would need at least 50,000 saved up and plan like years ahead.

There's an old saying. If you wait until you can afford to have kids, you'll never have them. My wife's parent's said that one.


There's another old saying. Children are an expense, you know. My parents said that one.

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Originally posted by Intangible The problem with adoption is they make it so expensive, especially if an international adoption.

Not just expense for international adoption - the logistics, the human factors, and the cultural differences will make it (and you) insane. One of my (older) associates did this at great expense, successfully, for the first time, but after a while the family started getting a little weird and wanted to see the kid again - who of course had no desire to go back home - and they were stuck in the middle of this drama.

Then, for reasons I can't begin to understand, they went to try an adopt a second kid from the same family, and to make a long story short, the whole thing fell through. They traveled all the way up for nothing, wasted a ridiculous amount of time and money. In hindsight, it seemed that the entire process was just a ploy to try to get the first kid (already a teenager) to visit. She didn't go with them, so it ended up being a disappointment for everybody.

They had a good relationship with this family, too. They even helped them out financially. But people here too often don't realize just how messed up things really are in the rest of the world.

Leave that shit for the celebrities with overpaid lawyers. There are more than enough kids right here that need families.

Also gotta keep in mind that with a lot of those overseas adoptions, the families are doing this for economic reasons. What I joked about a little earlier is very close to reality in many of these cases.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Leave that shit for the celebrities with overpaid lawyers. There are more than enough kids right here that need families.

I THINK (don't know) that adopting here is really hard - more demand than supply. My girlfriend's dad and stepmom were trying to adopt but were put on a huge waiting list so they ended up adopting overseas.

I'm sure it is much easier to adopt an older child than a baby. (I would want a baby)

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Originally posted by jsibilin totally agree. I believe everyone should have two kids. Ideally a boy and a girl. You would need at least 50,000 saved up and plan like years ahead. Crap I don't expect to have kids until i am like 35.

What do you mean you need to have 50,000 saved up???

That's a pretty ridiculous statement...

I'd say that 95% of couples (and thats my guess) don't have that much in the bank when they have a kid...




And yes....35 is a good age....

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Originally posted by VDub I'd say that 95% of couples (and thats my guess) don't have that much in the bank when they have a kid...

I'd say that 95% of your facts come directly from your ass.

As a rough guess, I'd say that, oh, about 4.8 shitloads of couples tend to buy houses before having kids, which already puts them well in excess of the $50,000 net worth bracket. Maybe the cash isn't lying around in some low-interest bank account - presumably because most people have more sense than that - but I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant.

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Originally posted by Intangible I THINK (don't know) that adopting here is really hard - more demand than supply. My girlfriend's dad and stepmom were trying to adopt but were put on a huge waiting list so they ended up adopting overseas. I'm sure it is much easier to adopt an older child than a baby. (I would want a baby)

Must be that low birth rate taking hold. Baby boom is officially over?

And yes, you're almost certainly correct that it's easier to adopt an older child - I sincerely hope that there aren't a large number of newborns and infants kicking around without parents (where would they come from?)

Heh - I never, EVER, thought I would have kids. Didn't like them at all. Then I had one - wasn't expecting it. However, now I can safely say it wasn't the kids I didn't like, it was their parents. I love my boy; he's shown me so many other things in life. I don't think even if I had the choice to forget it that I'd give it up.

It's DEFINITELY not for everyone, but it turned out that it was certainly for me.

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Originally posted by Intangible I always wanted to adopt but I also really want to have my own. No telling where life will take me but I'd love to have a kid or two of my own and then adopt. The problem with adoption is they make it so expensive, especially if an international adoption.

It's definitely not for the financially unsettled.

I used to volunteer at an orphanage in Taipei and they had nothing but success with middle class to upper middle class western couples wanting to adopt kids from overseas (America, Canada, Australia, UK, Holland, etc.). Yes there are a few requirements of the parents (have to be financially sound, physically healthy) but it's not an insanely expensive and stressful process. There are unfortunately a lot of babies and infants in Asia that get tossed to orphanages and temples (if a couple has twins it's considered unlucky as even numbers are bad luck, light physical disfigurements, father was a western guy who impregnated an asian girl, took off and she chose not to get an abortion, etc.)

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Originally posted by Cribby Can't wait to have kids of my own... but that'll have to wait until I grow up

Words stolen right from my mouth.....

although from most parents I've talked too actually having children is the cause of growing up!

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Originally posted by Zentac_75 Words stolen right from my mouth..... although from most parents I've talked too actually having children is the cause of growing up!

There's nothing wrong with still being a little bit of a kid at heart when you have a kid (as long as you're responsible and mature in the important situations and don't let the kid in you get in the way of the kid of your own).

I just love kids....they're like little drunken midgets!

Will I have kids one day? I'm not planning on it.

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