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Originally posted by trancension Sound system is the most important thing, no doubt. Honestly can't remember if Eleven50 had bad sound or what...but Opera definitely does. And it's why I basically hate Opera. But sacrificing sound quality so the staff doesn't steal money from you and treat you like complete shit...

Eleven50 was weak it was so high pitched like bass on zee minimal.

The talk of tipping bartenders got me thinking. I'm all for helping people out, but does quickly taking the bottle cap off a beer and handing it to you really merit a big tip? Or how about pouring a shot? They're already overcharging for the drinks, so why give them even more money? If they are really nice and friendly, then yeah, it's nice to give them something a little extra. I've worked in food service where I made sandwiches doing a lot of special orders for people and never once got a tip. I just don't understand over tipping someone for pouring a drink.

dollar minimum unless they're awesome. If you don't do that, then they won't serve you.

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I only club on sequestered grassy knolls partitioned deep underground and shrouded in subterfuge. Deep beats and intimate fallacy mingling with my inner will'o'wisps. Burial chants and three drink minimums while people move mellifluously in tribal two-steps.

This is my clubbing experience.

Spatial.

Late-term abortion techno.
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Whoa, Adam. For a second, I thought you were Adam! Glad to know you're still just Adam.

Shut up. I'm channeling the spirits through my thundercock.

[nefardec]

Sanctuary
Mortuary
Coronary
Canary?
Innermost
Sinner-moist

These words best describe the staccato whirring hums laden in draconian time sigatures. Our musk built up like mildew, our breathing noticably sound and fervent. Feverish fingers tracing lines along the pine finish and our lacquer teeth chattering.

Buttfucking techno with motherfucking columns, gargoyles, and chiaroscuro shading.

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Originally posted by iammesol dollar minimum unless they're awesome. If you don't do that, then they won't serve you.

They won't serve you? Lol That's ridiculous. What are they going to do, just look at you standing there? If so, then they don't deserve a job, much less a tip. It's like they take advantage of people in a club environment like that. They can be as rude as they want to you, and then you have to give them a tip just so you can be served. Lol.

unfortunately, i think that if you don't throw the bartender at least a bone, you might have to wait a while for your next drink. they'll make their rounds before they come back to you.

i think someone else mentioned this already, but i try to tip big in the beginning also, to avoid being frozen out by the bartender.

but not excessively big, a dollar per beer, maybe a couple of bucks on a cocktail. that way you figure you'll get a good pour on the next one.

buy one water to wash down some pills with. boom, money saved and tipping politics gone

j/k of course, i would never condone such behavior

i usually need a 2nd water around last call...

i mean, what are you talking about?

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Originally posted by slow clapper trancension, are you saying that in NYC if the bartender tells you your drink is 13, and you give them a 20, they won't return your change? If so, that's crazy! Tell me it's not like that at Opera. I'll have to roll in there with a decent money roll = all 1's. Don't get me wrong, I've always been a good tipper because I've spent lots of time working in the service industry. But I would want to eliminate any collateral expense for procuring a beverage.

Opera does it as well. I gave a bartender a $10 and a $5 for a $10 (watered down) drink. She literally disappeared afterward, and after 10 minutes of waiting for her to resurface I gave up.

I felt a little better later, though, when Bong ordered a drink from her, gave her exact change, and I handed her a quarter.

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar Opera does it as well. I gave a bartender a $10 and a $5 for a $10 (watered down) drink. She literally disappeared afterward, and after 10 minutes of waiting for her to resurface I gave up. I felt a little better later, though, when Bong ordered a drink from her, gave her exact change, and I handed her a quarter.

I mean, people will keep like a dollar without asking sometimes and I let that slide, but if they took 5, I would confront them. I guess I just don't understand why people can be allowed to decide for themselves if they get a tip. I understand that they can ignore you if you don't give them a tip, but I'm not going to fuel their rudeness. At a place like Opera, just go to another bar. I don't want anyone to think I'm a cheapskate, but I just can't justify wasting more of my money to someone who just hands me an already overpriced drink. I do give tips, but not to people who think it's their right to get one.

And ya, at Pacha I bought a red bull / vodka for $13. Gave the bartender a $20 and had to basically argue with her that I don't tip 50%. I tip 20% and round up in most cases. So I was going to tip $3. But after that shit, $1.

After telling that story to some NYC tranceaddicts, I was alerted to stories of them having the exact same situation arise. And then some people even said that they've had fraudulent charges done by the clubs on their credit/debit cards. The two places that came up in this little story telling thread were Pacha (where I have first hand experience it's true) and Webster's Hall.

I think this may just be why myself and a good portion of my friends are saying eff this, we're getting too old for this clubbing shit, we can patiently wait for these DJ's to show up at non-suck venues, or just not see them =P

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar I think this may just be why myself and a good portion of my friends are saying eff this, we're getting too old for this clubbing shit, we can patiently wait for these DJ's to show up at non-suck venues, or just not see them =P

Yep...I'm only 23 (not even quite yet) and I'm getting a little sick and tired of the club scene. I definitely have that "I'm too old to put up with this shit" feeling as well.

I already bought my ticket for Armin before this feeling really kicked in, or else I probably wouldn't be going to see him...and then after him...I think the only show I'm going to go to is Markus on April 23rd. After that, I'm probably done with the "scene."

You guys could just be going to the wrong parties.

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Originally posted by trancension And ya, at Pacha I bought a red bull / vodka for $13. Gave the bartender a $20 and had to basically argue with her that I don't tip 50%. I tip 20% and round up in most cases. So I was going to tip $3. But after that shit, $1. After telling that story to some NYC tranceaddicts, I was alerted to stories of them having the exact same situation arise. And then some people even said that they've had fraudulent charges done by the clubs on their credit/debit cards. The two places that came up in this little story telling thread were Pacha (where I have first hand experience it's true) and Webster's Hall.

that's tough... definitely disturbing. you need to figure that when you start a tab, with all the commotion that goes on with the transactions for drinks, it's so easy for there to be inconsistencies.

i had that happen to me at a crowded bar, not even a club, where my tab seemed unusual. it was a huge pain in the ass to try and sort it out with the bar manager, and ultimately i had to eat a few drinks.

i suppose one solution is to try and be proactive as possible- take cash when you can, and take small denominations to eliminate the change factor.

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Originally posted by iammesol You guys could just be going to the wrong parties.

I'm a laser trance kind of guy though.

I enjoy the small parties and change in music every now and then, but at the end of the day, I want to comatose off of some ecstasy, lasers and trance.

Oh ya.

Venue management likes to ruin this for me

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Originally posted by iammesol You guys could just be going to the wrong parties.

I'm also a trance guy. It doesn't matter how much they charge for drinks, if the music isn't good to me I won't have fun. That's not an attack on you Sam, we just have different tastes. Not that into House/ Techno. I certainly wish some of the trance parties were smaller and more like some of the random techno parties that pass through, but unfortunately it doesn't happen.

I'm considering backing off on the shows also. It just isn't as exciting to go out anymore. Fighting the crowds and all that just isn't worth it sometimes. I mean, I'm looking forward to Armin, but not as much as I would have a year or so ago. If Markus was my last show for a while, I'm sure I could be content.

You know. Clubs are much like the food chain, it's either eat... or be eaten.. And the weak are always weeded out.. I'm not trying to make an insult on anyone's character, but from what I noticed the "trancey trance" guys most of the time have really pussified characters so people easily take advantage of that. If you guys knew wtf you were doing and acted like it, bartenders usually don't fuck with you because they know better. Pretty much, man the fuck up and wear your balls (at the very least when you go to a club) so people don't take advantage of you like that. Just a small tip for ya, didn't mean to offend anyone by this just trying to help.

In short: Don't be like this when you walk in a club, but more like this ... And know what your doing, or at least act like you know what your doing and people won't fuck with you. It's a basic social power principle... That's my lesson for the day for you kids! Enjoy!

Good point as there are no smaller room events in ATL with trance. You only run into that kind of stuff at the gigantaclubs. Can't help you.

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Originally posted by romz You know. Clubs are much like the food chain, it's either eat... or be eaten.. And the weak are always weeded out.. I'm not trying to make an insult on anyone's character, but from what I noticed the "trancey trance" guys most of the time have really pussified characters so people easily take advantage of that. If you guys knew wtf you were doing and acted like it, bartenders usually don't fuck with you because they know better. Pretty much, man the fuck up and wear your balls (at the very least when you go to a club) so people don't take advantage of you like that. Just a small tip for ya, didn't mean to offend anyone by this just trying to help. In short: Don't be like this when you walk in a club, but more like this ... And know what your doing, or at least act like you know what your doing and people won't fuck with you. It's a basic social power principle... That's my lesson for the day for you kids! Enjoy!

I don't know who you are talking about. I'm sure some trance fans are like this, but don't group us all together. I don't think anyone that has posted has a lack of confidence. I mean, it's more the bartenders and clubs rather than the type of music being played there. The bartenders at Opera, for example, are the same whether it be Armin or Digweed. That being said, I for one have never been majorly ripped off. I just don't like the idea that some people are and know that some people will try to get more money from you. I've dealt with shady bartenders and believe me, I don't allow them to take advantage. I usually only buy 1 drink anyways, so I haven't given them much of a chance to rip me off. If a bartender ever did try to take a $5 tip from me, I'd probably get myself into trouble because I wouldn't just let it go. And no, I'm not upset or trying to start anything, but that's kind of a bad generalization to say most people into trance are pussies. Weren't you really into trance when you first started posting, what happened to that?

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Originally posted by iammesol Good point as there are no smaller room events in ATL with trance. You only run into that kind of stuff at the gigantaclubs. Can't help you.

The Mark is pretty small right? I'm tempted to go to the Acosta show there just to get to experience the smaller scale shows. I really like the idea of going somewhere like that but just can't get into the music that is usually played there. Maybe I should try harder.

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