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The Battery 3 step sequencer clips that I sequenced are on the left-hand side in the middle of the screen. The Stylus RMX patterns are at the bottom. The right side shows the MIDI pattern for the congas.

Here's a sample of the drums with the individual parts clearly coming in one at a time:

http://www.cryophonik.com/files/nee...re_drumloop.mp3

It's not even close to a Vengeance sample.

PS. Who gives a shit? Are you really so insecure with yourself that you need to prove your worthyness to some forum visitors?

I made a track once, it used the same exact melody that bass hunter used, despite the fact that ive never heard the bass hunter song at the time. People acused me of using his melody, I basicly said fuck em' and moved along.

Cryophonic.. it is the FIRST TRACK in the myspace player.

And yeah its the same VEC loop.

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Originally posted by Subtle Cryophonic.. it is the FIRST TRACK in the myspace player. And yeah its the same VEC loop.

Wtf is VEC?

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Originally posted by Subtle Cryophonic.. it is the FIRST TRACK in the myspace player. And yeah its the same VEC loop.

No, there are no Vengeance loops in that song either. Do you really need me to prove you wrong again?





edited for niceness - sorry, I let my defensiveness get the better of me.

Somethign tells me Sublte and cryophonik don't like eachother. Oh man if only this was IRC and not forums!

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Originally posted by cryophonik No, there are no Vengeance loops in that song either. Do you really need me to prove what a fucking little retard you are again? Fuck off you little pile of shit.

The loop in your first track and the loop i posted are the same.
Im not going to bother using bad language, i dont need to go that low.

THOSE TWO SOUNDS THE SAME.. AND IM 100% SURE EVERYONE ELSE THINKS SO TOO.

going to make it easier:

First track in player
http://www.myspace.com/cryophonikmusic

And the the infamous loop
http://www.subtleinc.net/VEC2LOOP.mp3

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Originally posted by Subtle The loop in your first track and the loop i posted are the same. Im not going to bother using bad language, i dont need to go that low. THOSE TWO SOUNDS THE SAME.. AND IM 100% SURE EVERYONE ELSE THINKS SO TOO. going to make it easier: First track in player http://www.myspace.com/cryophonikmusic And the the infamous loop http://www.subtleinc.net/VEC2LOOP.mp3

Oh fuck, those are the same.

Either that, or he coincedently used samples that game from that loop, and then coindently rearranged them back into their original pattern. They even have the same panning and volume variance.

On another note: http://www.myspace.com/cronodevir

Track "Trhough the fractal" n00b used the clap from the 909!

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Originally posted by cronodevir Oh fuck, those are the same. Either that, or he coincedently used samples that game from that loop, and then coindently rearranged them back into their original pattern.

Or maybe vengeance ripped of his loop.

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Originally posted by Subtle Or maybe vengeance ripped of his loop.

*GASP*

I just realized that Subtle is having two very different exchanges with Americans, both of whom have posted screen-shots of their work in varying DAW's.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...74&pagenumber=2

It's a cosmic riot.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I just realized that Subtle is having two very different exchanges with Americans, both of whom have posted screen-shots of their work in varying DAW's. http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...74&pagenumber=2 It's a cosmic riot.

hehee seems like im the guy who needs visualising

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Originally posted by Subtle The loop in your first track and the loop i posted are the same. Im not going to bother using bad language, i dont need to go that low. THOSE TWO SOUNDS THE SAME.. AND IM 100% SURE EVERYONE ELSE THINKS SO TOO. going to make it easier: First track in player http://www.myspace.com/cryophonikmusic And the the infamous loop http://www.subtleinc.net/VEC2LOOP.mp3

Try again, moron.

http://www.cryophonik.com/files/sofaraway_drumloop.mp3

Really, this is starting to get fun.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Try again, moron. http://www.cryophonik.com/files/sofaraway_drumloop.mp3 Really, this is starting to get fun.

Yes so it seems like you made it yourself. But the similarity is identical so i was still right assuming it was a VEC loop.
And you have already proven what an arrogant douche you are so i dont see how this is gonna save face at all for you.

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Originally posted by Subtle Yes so it seems like you made it yourself. But the similarity is identical so i was still right assuming it was a VEC loop. And you have already proven what an arrogant douche you are so i dont see how this is gonna save face at all for you.

Actually it sounds like he threw the VEc loop into a beat he made. TBH

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Originally posted by cronodevir Actually it sounds like he threw the VEc loop into a beat he made. TBH

Yes it does fucking actually.
There is no way Cryophonic that you made this loop.. and that u actually sit here and directly lying about it. It seems to me that you actually believe you made it... guess the best lies are the ones you believe in yourself.

You are lying so everyone can/hear see it, and still manage to have a cocky attitude about it.

And i was stupid enough to think that there was a chance you had accidentally made it. Because i would have never thought anyone would lie about something like this so blatantly.

And you can save your insults, been playing Counter Strike enough to be total immune against kids raging in the chat.

You are a liar, and u never ever considered the fact that it could have been made accidentally. That would have been your way out.
To preserve your image as a walking talking beatmaker tool towards a handful of revisiting people.

I haven't listened to the sound examples yet (I'm at work), so I don't know how similar they are.

From my perspective, if there's a particular percussive feel I'm looking for and a loop provides it, I'll use the loop. It's such a small part of the overall sound (I use samples for the main percussive elements), and if I put the effort in to build the loop myself there's a chance it won't sound any different overall, in the context of the mix.

There are times when I do create loops, because I'm fairly sure my loop libraries don't contain what I'm after.

From my perspective, it's such a small part of the big picture that if someone mistook one of the loops I created for a Vengeance loop, I'd deny it, but I'd have to concede that many loops sound very similar - they're just hihat/clap/percussive patterns. Creating a loop that is truly unique and instantly recognisable is hard. And may not be required, if it's supposed to just add to what's happening without drawing attention to itself.

We all have our own viewpoints on what we will and won't do in our productions. As long as we're aware that they are only our viewpoints, and not "the truth", we'll retain an open mind.

For a direct comparison, here is a single file with the VEC loop followed by the relevant portion of Cryophonik's loop, with the volume of the two roughly equal:

http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/VEC--vs--cryophonik.mp3

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Originally posted by derail From my perspective, it's such a small part of the big picture that if someone mistook one of the loops I created for a Vengeance loop, I'd deny it, but I'd have to concede that many loops sound very similar - they're just hihat/clap/percussive patterns. Creating a loop that is truly unique and instantly recognisable is hard.

True. But the thing is, the loops in question both have a couple pitched sounds in them that are pretty clearly recognizable, and they're even panned in the exact same way in both loops.

I don't care if people use loops either, but it's pretty silly and dishonest to deny it if you do...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles For a direct comparison, here is a single file with the VEC loop followed by the relevant portion of Cryophonik's loop, with the volume of the two roughly equal: http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/VEC--vs--cryophonik.mp3

Thank you! there is clearly no doubt that this comes from Vengeance Essential House 2, the loop is in Percussive Loops and is named VEH2 Percussive Loops - 057

Does anyone care ? not me, i only recognised it cause i used it in one of my tracks.

Oh and:

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Originally posted by cryophonik Try again, moron. Really, this is starting to get fun.

Yeah this is fun.

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Originally posted by Subtle Thank you! there is clearly no doubt that this comes from Vengeance Essential House 2, the loop is in Percussive Loops and is named VEH2 Percussive Loops - 057

Wrong again. The percussion is very similar, I'll grant you that, but mine was made by layering two percussion patterns in Stylus RMX. I'll also grant you that this is sorta a loop - although I edited the rex file to fit my pattern. Listen to the pitch of the congas - mine's higher. The pattern of the lower percussion is also different. Would you like a screen shot to prove you wrong again?

Edit: screw it, it's easy to just post it and show you:

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Originally posted by derail From my perspective, if there's a particular percussive feel I'm looking for and a loop provides it, I'll use the loop. It's such a small part of the overall sound (I use samples for the main percussive elements), and if I put the effort in to build the loop myself there's a chance it won't sound any different overall, in the context of the mix.

The funny thing is, I have no problem with using loops either and I could probably point you to dozens of places that I've consistently said that. And, yes, I have layered some of the Vengeance percussion loops in many of my songs, but I don't think I've ever used one of their straight drum loops simply because they're pretty inflexible and that's not the way I work. What I do have a problem with is people who know absolutely nothing about my workflow accusing me of using loops when it's obvious that I didn't. Yes, you can look through my entire library of house/trance tracks and find patterns/sounds that are similar to the Vengeance loops, because, guess what - I already told you that I use their single shots. You start layering their sounds in something as simple as a 4/floor pattern and you're bound to find something similar. I may not be the most original drum programmer, but I do sequence my own patterns most of the time. And, think about it, what the hell do I have to gain by lying about it? It's pretty ridiculous that I even have to defend myself against these baseless accusations.

This thread could use a dash of self esteem.

The image he posted looks exactly like the result you get when you throw a loop in a slicer. Lol. bongos_5 is probably a renamed loop.

I'm not being dickly, but i find the likelyhood of you making that yourself about as viable as vanilla cocoa.

Edit: slicer

Well, if he used some VEC one-shots to make his loops, and those one-shots were also used in the VEC loop, then I guess it wouldn't be hard to get something very similar.

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