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Originally posted by DigiNut That is the nature of government programs in general. Once a program starts, it cannot be stopped. Once a budget goes up, it can never come down again. Any politician who tries is going up against people who are quite literally at risk for their livelihood. The fact that their jobs were redundant or overvalued in the first place hardly matters; they still get a vote. Mike Harris tried, and by the end of his term, he was loathed by every union and almost everyone even loosely affiliated with big government. I think almost 20% of the Ontario population is employed in the public sector. You can't afford to lose that vote. That's why Harris resigned.

The unions hated Rae, they hated Harris, and now they hate Mcguinty. Trying to please them never works out anyways. The teachers and nurses are always crying about something.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 Your politics and your approach are so overt its palatable. You would benefit from being subtle because your politics promote extremes of polarization that only lead to stagnant mudslinging. That same approach used in Ontario is why conservative campaigning has been largely unsuccessful in recent years.

My approach is passionate and to the point. I say whats on my mind. Now if i were a politician i know id have to wrap it up in a bunch of complete BS because the electorate never really wants the truth. But thats why im not a politician

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Originally posted by Jayx1 My approach is passionate and to the point. I say whats on my mind. Now if i were a politician i know id have to wrap it up in a bunch of complete BS because the electorate never really wants the truth. But thats why im not a politician

You mean kinda like giving 93% of the Ontario Population a cheque for $1000 right? lol fucking Dalton

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Originally posted by Sentinal You mean kinda like giving 93% of the Ontario Population a cheque for $1000 right? lol fucking Dalton

Bribing people with their own money is the oldest trick in the book

lol, that "bribe" would actually benefit the poor! whereas mike harris' tax cut benefitted mainly the rich, at the expense of public services (WALKERTON?!)

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Originally posted by mute79 lol, that "bribe" would actually benefit the poor! whereas mike harris' tax cut benefitted mainly the rich, at the expense of public services (WALKERTON?!)

dude, make no mistake about it, that 1000 is a drop in the bucket comparred to what they and everyone will end up paying. Alberta is looking better and better everyday.

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Originally posted by Sentinal dude, make no mistake about it, that 1000 is a drop in the bucket comparred to what they and everyone will end up paying. Alberta is looking better and better everyday.

+1

"help" the poor? Last i checked $160,000 per year isnt poor. But i digress....

PST hikes on mentioned items will do more to hurt the poor. Actually it will hurt everyone who doesnt own a corporation. Mcguinty knows this which is why he is implementing it now as opposed to closer to election time. He is counting on Ontarians to forget like last time

i never liked either option at the time

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Originally posted by Jayx1 +1 "help" the poor? Last i checked $160,000 per year isnt poor. But i digress.... PST hikes on mentioned items will do more to hurt the poor. Actually it will hurt everyone who doesnt own a corporation. Mcguinty knows this which is why he is implementing it now as opposed to closer to election time. He is counting on Ontarians to forget like last time

nice one.. i do recall conservatives really looking out for the poor by slashing welfare while downloading the cost down to municipalities

kudos

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Originally posted by mute79 nice one.. i do recall conservatives really looking out for the poor by slashing welfare while downloading the cost down to municipalities kudos

you mean cleaning up the record taxes and deficits left by the NDP? Just like what will have to happen after Mcguinty?

Yeah thats it

even mike harris himself admitted that was a mistake, 5 years later

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Originally posted by mute79 even mike harris himself admitted that was a mistake, 5 years later

He made some mistakes of course... everyone does. But overall his job was to clean up the mess and make tough choices after the reign of Bob Rae and David Peterson. Unfortunately people dont like to be told the word "no" and he paid the price for it.

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Originally posted by mute79 lol, that "bribe" would actually benefit the poor! whereas mike harris' tax cut benefitted mainly the rich, at the expense of public services (WALKERTON?!)

How is it that you and others like you can persist in believing that income tax cuts only benefit the "rich?" It's so far from the truth that it honestly makes me feel like I'm living in a 1984 clone.

Just do the math. The current provincial income tax rate in the lowest bracket is 6.05% on the first $36,848. If you make just $20,000, which is pretty fucking dirt poor if you ask me, then you've already paid $1210 in taxes. Please explain to me how collecting $1210 and giving back $1000 several months later actually benefits these people.

The median income in Ontario - that's median, not average - is above $60,000. That means over half of Ontarians make more than $60,000 before taxes. This clearly isn't just The Rich anymore, and it equates to about $4300 in income taxes. A 1.6% drop across the board, which would benefit everyone equally, or a 2.7% drop in the lowest bracket only, which would primarily benefit The Poor, would save every Ontarian $1000 per year, not one time.

Tax cuts benefit everybody. The reason they benefit The Rich "more" is because The Rich are paying more taxes, duh! How ridiculous economically is it to take the most productive members of society and absolutely hammer them for money, then refuse to do anything to ease the pain because it would "benefit" the people who are better off?

Man oh man, I've grown more or less accustomed to the de facto socialism that exists here in Canada but some of you guys seem to think we live in a magical fantasy land where food and money rain from the sky, houses grow out of the ground, and every place you'd ever want to go is within walking distance.


P.S. Walkerton? Come on, is that the best you can do, blaming Mike Harris for blatant incompetence at a municipal water supply because he cut their funding to the same level as every other municipality?

Unless you live in his riding, you didn't vote for him.

I'm glad to say that I voted against John Tory, the 'best Premier the province never had' after he tried to parachute into our riding.

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