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Posted by ?Rick? on Jun-16-2002 18:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Ur Dream Grl if you guys dont like him at all.. THEN fucking dont follow his every step.!!
jesus

xoxo Ur Dream Grl

right,
this is ecxactly how I feel about the Djs I dont enjoy as much as the ones I do. It is common sense people. If you don't like him then stop going to his website, stop reading his interviews, stop going to the events his is in, I mean does it really get you guys anywhere??

I don't know if it is just me, but I seriously have a lot of respect and although I hate PVD, or George Acosta I don't go to message boards for that, I go for what I like. And that doesnt keep them from playing at my club either.

life goes on, and when you all get older you tell me if bashing oakie got you any trophie.

Posted by JohnSmith on Jun-16-2002 22:00:

Yup. Girls are always right.

Oaky has had som great sets, Tranceport being one of the best, and the mix that got many people into trance. He's also had some great productions.

Now, he has changed his style, i say good for him. he needed a change. I hate his new stuff, but what would be the point of bashing him? nothing at all, unless you think he is coming here to read this stuff!

anyway, i like a lot of oaky, especially his old essential mixes, his track selection rock. but honestly though, i must say, for the "worlds greatest dj" he sure can't mix well!

Posted by ABTsportsline on Jun-16-2002 23:29:

*yawn* oakey sucks blah blah blah */yawn*

damn this thread was original.

Oakey OwNz. end of story

-ABT-

Posted by lMIlk on Jun-16-2002 23:47:

quote:
Originally posted by ABTsportsline
*yawn* oakey sucks blah blah blah */yawn*

damn this thread was original.

Oakey OwNz. end of story

-ABT-

did you see that pic of dreamgirl with oakenfold? he was feeling her, still like him? jk

Posted by tu_face on Jun-17-2002 09:46:

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy
how is he a sell out? because he switched up his music style a bit? because hes world renowned instead of just known in europe...because hes the highest paid dj in thw world? is that why he sold out? no u guys have no clue...he worked his ass off to get where he is and to make top buck he proved himself countless times...if i ever hear another comment abt him "selling out" im gonna make personal comments abt that persons mama

wurd..

whatever you guys think, he is still a fuckin wicked DJ. he is still one of the best in the world.

he has broadened his music horizons... is this a crime..? maybe he is sick of making the same old thing over and over.

although.. he needs a bullet to the head for southern sun.. its poooooo

Posted by Jocker on Jun-17-2002 15:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Az

Name one band who's bigger

oh phhhleeeeze... there are thousands of them. bigger in both number of fans (take n'sync ), talent (say boyz2men or any major rock band) and income from sales (all the pop bands, eminem (even though not a band) and more)...

Posted by davinox on Jun-17-2002 15:41:

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WANTING MONEY!!!!

It's sacraficing talent for money that should be frowned apon, Oakey is not doing this, he's just changing genres.

Of course, he's not just doing it for money, there's lots of other reasons, but ya know that's probably a core reason...

No, if Oakenfold started spinning Castles in the Sky, then yes, he would be selling out. But exploring new genres for whatever reason is not.

THAT'S THAT.

Posted by DJ Sunburn on Jun-17-2002 17:43:

Posted by Az on Jun-17-2002 17:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Jocker

oh phhhleeeeze... there are thousands of them. bigger in both number of fans (take n'sync ), talent (say boyz2men or any major rock band) and income from sales (all the pop bands, eminem (even though not a band) and more)...

N'Sync are hardly a band, they don't play they're own instruments and mime on stage
Talent - Collectively U2 have consistently produced some of the most wonderfully written songs from the past 20 years, and they're STILL as popular now as ever (are boyz 2 men ).

Sales - U2 sell an enourmous amount of albums compared to other "pop bands", as groups like N'Sync and Westlife make most of they're money thru singles, NOT albums, they're albums may go straight to number one, but they're staying power in the charts is minimal, and will drop out of the top 20 within a few weeks of release, whilst U2 consistently stay in the top 20 for anything between 4-6 months, and have a heavy selling patch when they release a new single, something which rarely happens with other bands.
Oh and NME and Q have voted them biggest band in the world every other year since god knows when...so there

Posted by DJ A.i on Jun-17-2002 18:00:

hmmmm i wonder if trance/electronic music would have advanced this far if there was no oakie... the truth is that oakie is one of the few pioneers of "electronic music". so i think we should be really thanking him instead of bashing him =) so, who cares if he cant beatmatch that well, he is a fucking awsome producer!!! oh and about the whole mainstream thing..... i think every style of music goes from underground to mainstream... there is no way around it. if themusic is catchy and appealing.. it will always become mainstream. rap was once underground.. so was new wave.... hell, how do you expect these artisit to make a living???? =)

oh and by the way.... shame on those that are compareing U2 to nsync, boys2men, and other pop bands!!! U2 is legendary!!!! hmmm i guess there are alot of youngsters in this forum.

Posted by Az on Jun-17-2002 18:07:

quote:
Originally posted by davinox
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WANTING MONEY!!!!

It's sacraficing talent for money that should be frowned apon, Oakey is not doing this, he's just changing genres.

Of course, he's not just doing it for money, there's lots of other reasons, but ya know that's probably a core reason...

No, if Oakenfold started spinning Castles in the Sky, then yes, he would be selling out. But exploring new genres for whatever reason is not.

THAT'S THAT.

I watched an Interview with Oakie the other day on Uk Play (british cable channel), and the subject of money came up. Basically he gets a lot of offers to DJ all around the world, and if all the offers were put together he could DJ in 8/9 venues every saturday night. This just isn't possible, so he checks things out, asks other DJ's what the atmosphere and things are like, and then makes a decision, and often goes for the Venue which is offering less money. He plays lots of venues for next to nothing (the one in the desert, can't remember what it's called, he did that for free), and he played in a small town in the US for $800, because one of his fans wrote to him cos he never plays anywhere near, so he went and played in the local club, and he'd been offered a 100 times that amount to play somewhere else in the US. He's making a living, doing what he loves, making a hell of a lot of money, but he's making his fans happy. So less of the bashing

Posted by DJ Sunburn on Jun-17-2002 18:13:

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Originally posted by Az

I watched an Interview with Oakie the other day on Uk Play (british cable channel), and the subject of money came up. Basically he gets a lot of offers to DJ all around the world, and if all the offers were put together he could DJ in 8/9 venues every saturday night. This just isn't possible, so he checks things out, asks other DJ's what the atmosphere and things are like, and then makes a decision, and often goes for the Venue which is offering less money. He plays lots of venues for next to nothing (the one in the desert, can't remember what it's called, he did that for free), and he played in a small town in the US for $800, because one of his fans wrote to him cos he never plays anywhere near, so he went and played in the local club, and he'd been offered a 100 times that amount to play somewhere else in the US. He's making a living, doing what he loves, making a hell of a lot of money, but he's making his fans happy. So less of the bashing

wow...oakie is quite a generous guy...
i would like to sit down and talk to him myself...just to see what his personality is like.

Posted by Fanyen on Jun-17-2002 18:27:

ok first thing id like to add is that Oakenfold is NOT selling out. THe way Music gets on the big time here with with money and MTV. ITs a STUPID system but its the only way to get noticed in the US. Im SOOO happy he is getting more publicity. who else would u want to pop up from the trance scene and have the balls to represent your crowd? the man himself who made it big in europe of course. Here we have no , love parades, NEC, or creamfields. but with this push oakenfold is doing, we may just have that. I believe he wants more of the top DJs to follow him too, so that trance is not just a underground nocturnal image that many people dont understand. ;p i have to try to go through so much crap when im jamming to trance and everyone is like "WTF its just the same thing over and over." they dont understand i hear so much more. and mabey with oakie comming in the big time people can finally feel the beat and trance will take over this rap crap thats been here for way to long.

Posted by RichieRich on Jun-17-2002 18:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Fanyen
ok first thing id like to add is that Oakenfold is NOT selling out. THe way Music gets on the big time here with with money and MTV. ITs a STUPID system but its the only way to get noticed in the US. Im SOOO happy he is getting more publicity. who else would u want to pop up from the trance scene and have the balls to represent your crowd? the man himself who made it big in europe of course. Here we have no , love parades, NEC, or creamfields. but with this push oakenfold is doing, we may just have that. I believe he wants more of the top DJs to follow him too, so that trance is not just a underground nocturnal image that many people dont understand. ;p i have to try to go through so much crap when im jamming to trance and everyone is like "WTF its just the same thing over and over." they dont understand i hear so much more. and mabey with oakie comming in the big time people can finally feel the beat and trance will take over this rap crap thats been here for way to long.

brilliant reply my friend. agree 100 percent.

Posted by Master on Jun-17-2002 20:22:

Agree Chaps

Yes, Fanyen brings up some excellent points. I know some people thing trance going into the mainstream would be this horrible thing. But wouldn't it be great if everyone could enjoy and understand it the same way us TA's do? Oakenfold has a chance to do this for us. I don't anyone else really does. Hate him for that? I think not!

-Master-

Posted by DJ Sunburn on Jun-17-2002 20:48:

Re: Agree Chaps

quote:
Originally posted by Master
But wouldn't it be great if everyone could enjoy and understand it the same way us TA's do? Oakenfold has a chance to do this for us. I don't anyone else really does. Hate him for that? I think not!

-Master-

Well i wouldn't particularly enjoy it if it went total pop because I don't wanna see a bunch of airhead Britney Spears/N'sync fans tapping their toes to trance. It would be a nightmare...I would have to start listening to something different if that happened. I like it being underground...it makes me feel more unique listening to something not top 40 related.
Not to mention trance is NOT mainstream material. Maybe some vocal tracks are but when something goes pop it's gotta be real catchy...and real cheesy like most pop songs are. But kids like something they can sing along to...it can't be entirely instrumental. This may sound very sexist of me but don't take it wrong...women are song driven. Most women need lyrics and singing in their music in order to enjoy it...that's why TA.com is mostly male dominated.
So to some it up there is no WAY that trance could be mainstream. And as for Oakey...he's doing a brilliant thing. He's not a sellout he works his ass off. Not to mention he's a great DJ. He's very musically talented too.
The End of my speech

Posted by Twig on Jun-17-2002 21:37:

Oakenfold LOL

is a businessman

and a good one at that.

he is NOT a very good dj

and he is NOT a pioneer

people who say this make me laugh...

yeh hes done his bit for the scene BUT just because he opened the UK's eyes to 'trance' dont mean fuck all... it was already there... Oakey got into it about 10 years late. The real pioneering was done in Germany by artists like Sven Vath following on from Kraftwerk.

Oakey has done his bit...but he is so overrated its not funny!

*and he still cant even beatmatch!

Posted by Az on Jun-17-2002 21:47:

Posted by Twig on Jun-17-2002 21:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Az

He IS a pioneer, he brought house music to the UK, from his stay in New York in the late seventies, early eighties. You wouldn't be listening to dance music of this quality if he hadn't opened the UK's eyes to it...you clearly don't know what your talking about

errrrrrrm no

try reading what i said again

i didnt need oakey to get me into electronic dance music.

Posted by Az on Jun-17-2002 21:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Twig

errrrrrrm no

try reading what i said again

i didnt need oakey to get me into electronic dance music.

did i say anything about that...I said about the QUALITY....Oakie is QUALITY...how you can deny it is beyond me

Posted by Twig on Jun-17-2002 21:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Az

did i say anything about that...I said about the QUALITY....Oakie is QUALITY...how you can deny it is beyond me

maybe you can justify it then?

quality HOW exactly?

Posted by neo geo on Jun-17-2002 21:58:

im sick of hearing about selling out
im a musician myself and u have to do whatever it takes to make money
staying underground will only make so much money
u think oakie was saying: hey i cant disappoint my fans i cant be doing all this mainstream stuff and making tons of money
or when bt did the backstreed boys song
where ever the money is u go

Posted by Az on Jun-17-2002 22:00:

The quality in his mixes, the tracklistings, the originality, the atmosphere he creates are outstanding. His productions are quality again, his remixes are excellent, in the time that he's been in the business he's very rarely made a bad tune. Also he's not just stuck to one genre, he's flowed between styles with relative ease, something which other DJ's haven't done as easily. He's got real talent at what he does, and succeeds at whatever he tries his hand at next, and because he changes his style so often, u never get bored of him

Posted by dark_tenshi on Jun-17-2002 22:04:

Oakenfold was one of the many pioneers in electronic music; that is a fact we all know. He found the baeleric sound in Ibiza and brought it back to the UK. In 1999, he toured the world with Radio 1 and played some of the best music sets at the time.

Now, with his fame, Oakenfold releases movie soundtracks, more compilations, and even his own album. However, most of this stuff is crap. There is nothing wrong with him being a good businessman, but at least release something with quality.

Posted by [N]�k|��[Z] on Jun-17-2002 22:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Twig
Oakenfold LOL

is a businessman

and a good one at that.

he is NOT a very good dj

and he is NOT a pioneer

people who say this make me laugh...

yeh hes done his bit for the scene BUT just because he opened the UK's eyes to 'trance' dont mean fuck all... it was already there... Oakey got into it about 10 years late. The real pioneering was done in Germany by artists like Sven Vath following on from Kraftwerk.

Oakey has done his bit...but he is so overrated its not funny!

*and he still cant even beatmatch!

oakie is a business man...?..... you show me one man hoo aint a business man and ill shake your hand..... aint such a thing a as a DJ who dosnt want to line his/her pockets.. or why would they charge so much?

and as for him not being a pioneer.... you think its cos of the likes od kraftwerk and sven vath that oakie has his sound now....... erm.. NO. me thins not... everyone contributes in their own way.., maybe kraftwerk has helped oakie to achieve what he has now.... but oakie has added his own taste to what he has now.
music varied in different countries... example...... german techno and italian techno.... 2 differnt sounds. but they still classed as techno. lets say that perhaps.. picotto opened italys eyes to techno.... 5 years later than it was intriduced to germany.. picotto may have listened to the german techno, and added his own flavour to it.. and turned it into italian techno.

the way i see it... you can either be a trend setter, or a trend follower.... oakie. (even tho i dont like him). is a trend setter.. he brought the scene to us.. and you should be thankful for that... he has brought his own taste of trance and gave us his own vision of how trance/dance music should be. Like it or not. hes doing a damn fine job.. and just because he aint your favourite DJ, doesnt give you the right to slag him off.......

..... i think PvD is wank.. but i dont slag hi off all the time, just deal with it!

oh, and btw..... im not sure if you noticed that not many people like you on this board, so why dont you save your opinions for the lapdogs on the GC board.. where no-one knows shit, and get your apraisals from there

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