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Posted by LazFX on Apr-07-2009 14:00:

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Originally posted by Magnetonium

Dam. I didn't think about that - very good point indeed. Our system is partly to blame, for sure. We give in too much, and immigrants [of certain origins, as Jerz said] will demand more.

However I have several friends that work in the US Immigration service that have also stated off the record that about 50% of Muslim immigrants have this complex that they are better than anyone else and that they have this "holier than thou" attitude.....that they act as if they are doing the host country a favor.... oh wait... I know one of those types here on TA

Posted by Cyrus King on Apr-09-2009 23:01:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Canada - Arab group vows to sue over cut in fed funding

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Problem is, I'm within the parameters of the law, yours is a wish.

Speaking of Laws, the IDF has broken several international ones.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Apr-09-2009 23:18:

It is just disgusting how they will never accountable for their crimes.
Thats ok though lets not worry about them too much, Iran is clearly the bigger problem here.

Posted by Magnetonium on Apr-10-2009 01:01:

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
It is just disgusting how they will never accountable for their crimes.
Thats ok though lets not worry about them too much, Iran is clearly the bigger problem here.

Iran is absolutely not involved here, on this thread. ^^^ That kind of attitude has drifted me towards disillusionment of current Iranian affairs. For a long time I thought the Americans and Israel were despicable evils, and it took the economic downturn for me to realize that the situation is much more complicated. And besides, with all the nonsense around my life, too. Too much paranoia from some of the people I know personally (outside of internet) with whom I had to severe contact. They were literally pressuring me to join them in anti-Israeli discussions and opinions, I felt very uncomfortable and saw the bias (with some extremes of opinion that I couldn't stomach any further).

I am ready to support Palestinian struggle in a reasonable discussion, but not when Hamas is called angels and when Israelis are called Nazi fascists. Hope you're catching my drift.

On the other hand, I have a good friend named Farhad who was born in Tehran but is a Canadian citizen now, but he is totally Canadian and refuses to associate himself with the ... current regime/system of Iran.

Not that I am hinting towards anything. He just wants to a normal, productive member of Canadian society. He is proud to be Iranian at the same time though. But you won't see him at the protest rallies in support of Israel or Iran. He supports what is best for Canada, and doesn't want to align with controversial political situations like Middle East where both parties have dirty hands. Very smart guy. He has no interest in the politics of the Middle East, but on the other hand, is more interested in the issues in Africa, Europe, Americas.

A person with phenomenal character.

Posted by jerZ07002 on Apr-10-2009 22:12:

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Originally posted by Magnetonium

Iran is absolutely not involved here, on this thread. ^^^ That kind of attitude has drifted me towards disillusionment of current Iranian affairs. For a long time I thought the Americans and Israel were despicable evils, and it took the economic downturn for me to realize that the situation is much more complicated. And besides, with all the nonsense around my life, too. Too much paranoia from some of the people I know personally (outside of internet) with whom I had to severe contact. They were literally pressuring me to join them in anti-Israeli discussions and opinions, I felt very uncomfortable and saw the bias (with some extremes of opinion that I couldn't stomach any further).

I am ready to support Palestinian struggle in a reasonable discussion, but not when Hamas is called angels and when Israelis are called Nazi fascists. Hope you're catching my drift.

On the other hand, I have a good friend named Farhad who was born in Tehran but is a Canadian citizen now, but he is totally Canadian and refuses to associate himself with the ... current regime/system of Iran.

Not that I am hinting towards anything. He just wants to a normal, productive member of Canadian society. He is proud to be Iranian at the same time though. But you won't see him at the protest rallies in support of Israel or Iran. He supports what is best for Canada, and doesn't want to align with controversial political situations like Middle East where both parties have dirty hands. Very smart guy. He has no interest in the politics of the Middle East, but on the other hand, is more interested in the issues in Africa, Europe, Americas.

A person with phenomenal character.

In my mind, being interested in the middle east isn't the relevant issue. What's important in my mind is the ability to articulate a logical position; and to listen to, respect, and understand the position of someone with whom that person is civily debating. He could be keenly interested in any topic, as long as he can support his position and respects my position. That is the main reason i can't support protests. For the most part, respect is easily lost in protests.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Apr-13-2009 09:50:

I'm not even going to comment on the original article, as it's a lame distraction in the first place will ill intentions in the first place... which you should hopefully be able to figure out.

Interesting... and a lot of unexpected bigoted comments here too. By quite a few people I must add, and almost no one being called out on it either... which is the more unsettling part. You guys know who you are... on some level anyways and I have no interest in internet forum drama with dickwads I'd never associate with in person, so I don't expect me to respond and respond to this post at your own risk of feebly projecting more about yourselves... What I challenge you guys to think about is... if some non-white person who has never been to America or any western country for that matter in their life, starts generalizing about all white people based on nut cases who shoot up schools, co-workers, 'stereo-typical' trailer trash stories of "white trash" domestic violence or incest, "christian" fundamentalists etc etc... and generalized all (or a majority of) white people to be that way, I'm pretty sure you'd think that person was a fucking bigot and racist piece of shit. Keep that in mind next time you read an article or see a new story in the media about "honor" killings or some other bullshit that in your minds for some odd reason must apply to an entire people, religion and / or culture. The only person it speaks volumes about is yourself, not anyone else.

Posted by Jake Benson on Apr-14-2009 16:54:

Posted by LazFX on Apr-14-2009 17:13:

Too bad Muslims and Jews are both going to Hell.

John 3:16

and i bet you people still will be trying to kill each other.......

oh i better but this ..... don't need no mess with all you poor deluded people that are not doing anything but holding up man kind's progress. oh yeah.

Posted by Magnetonium on Apr-16-2009 01:19:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I'm not even going to comment on the original article, as it's a lame distraction in the first place will ill intentions in the first place... which you should hopefully be able to figure out.

Interesting... and a lot of unexpected bigoted comments here too. By quite a few people I must add, and almost no one being called out on it either... which is the more unsettling part. You guys know who you are... on some level anyways and I have no interest in internet forum drama with dickwads I'd never associate with in person, so I don't expect me to respond and respond to this post at your own risk of feebly projecting more about yourselves... What I challenge you guys to think about is... if some non-white person who has never been to America or any western country for that matter in their life, starts generalizing about all white people based on nut cases who shoot up schools, co-workers, 'stereo-typical' trailer trash stories of "white trash" domestic violence or incest, "christian" fundamentalists etc etc... and generalized all (or a majority of) white people to be that way, I'm pretty sure you'd think that person was a fucking bigot and racist piece of shit. Keep that in mind next time you read an article or see a new story in the media about "honor" killings or some other bullshit that in your minds for some odd reason must apply to an entire people, religion and / or culture. The only person it speaks volumes about is yourself, not anyone else.

Never said white people are better than others. Would be nice if you could pick out something I said where I perhaps went out of my way

How dare you talk about our decadent Western way of life? Haven't you spent a month or two in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, etc - they teach their kids how evil, decadent, immoral, the West is! In Egypt alone majority of men ADMIT to regular SEXUAL HARRASSMENT of women, with regular attacks and rapes of women there ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7936071.stm ). But their system is just PERFECT ... yeah, abusing and killing women is allowed, children can go to jail in some countries, Sharia law is proper, and so on. But its their land, they are allowed to do whatever they want - I am not telling them to change it all. Then some of these people immigrate to Canada and want the same allowed here? I categorically oppose such plans.

Where I was born and lived during my childhood in Russia - white people are extremely racist and xenophobic and can at times act just as bad as Muslim fundamentalist sympathizers. In effect, I sometimes compare the Russian neo-fascists to Islamic fundamentalists because they behave in similar ways. There I've seen and heard of pogroms, attacks on Jews, foreigners (Asians), discrimination, violence, nationalist approaches ranging from politics to jobs. Except that there are many more Islamic fundamentalists ... and their sympathizers.

These people are very proud, more proud than most Russian nationalists I've known. Some of them would be willing to kill their own sisters (to protect family honour as in Jordan - where two dozen women are viciously killed every year by their OWN families, and receive half of a setence that a normal murder would be punishable for) and also sacrifice their own lives in questionable ways for the sake of religion and pride. Then some of these peoples immigrate to Canada and support those ways, openly, call Israel evil and praising the terrorist Hezbollah and their associates? How dare they! Those hypocrites!

This is not a discussion of Christianity vs. Islam because everyone knows that some prominent Catholic churches are well known for child and women molestations / sexual exploitation.

This is about religious "superiority" that is trying to claim dominion and interfering in threatening our system.

Locally - nearly 50% of Ontarians are Christian Catholics but they don't have the slightest impact or effect on the lives of ordinary citizens like me, which is why I like and support them.

I went to a Catholic high school for a year and I am not even a Catholic (I wasn't required to be a Catholic to attend, for that matter!) - it was a normal school just like any other with an exception for uniforms and extended curriculum to allow devout Catholics to take French and their specific studies as additional classes. And it was good, overall. I wasn't converted, was not pressured to do any of their religious stuff.

Islamic schools in Canada are different. Not that I am saying those things are bad. They are just very different from our system. I personally don't understand why they immigrate to countries like Canada if they wish to continue living the exactly the same way as in their home countries - obviously they immigrated in search of a "better life" - what exactly does that mean? Shaolin, can you explain that to me?

Shaolin, has it occured to you that some of these people don't want to integrate into our society? Islamazation of Europe is ongoing and those people are demanding extra rights and privileges.

Pat Condell said it best (though I thought that FITNA went too far, and only helps the Islamic radicals cause):

Posted by Fir3start3r on Apr-18-2009 16:41:

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Originally posted by Magnetonium

Shaolin, has it occured to you that some of these people don't want to integrate into our society? Islamazation of Europe is ongoing and those people are demanding extra rights and privileges.

One only has to go as far back as this past fall to see what's going on...

Islamic sharia courts in Britian 'Legally binding' - Sept.2008

Posted by Magnetonium on Apr-19-2009 01:19:

Look at it this way - in just less than 50 years, Islamic population of Europe went up from a few thousands to today's number of OVER 52 MILLION STRONG. Thats about an entire country of United Kingdom for Lord's sake.

What will be in another 50 years? A fool can only sit and hope that there will be no changes associated with this growing influence - and you know, politicians will exploit this and give the sharia law on a platter to please their voters just for the sake of getting into power. As happened in Britain and elsewhere - big thanks to the Labour Party! Politicians will give it to them, no doubt about it. They will go as close as selling the country to Saudis for the sake of winning elections!

Anything less will be branded as discrimation against the "oppressed" Muslims. If you would try to prevent legislation passing to please them, it will be viewed as xenophobic and racist. Dam, Europe is fucked.

Fucking politicians.

EDIT: As much as I wish and hope that these people will integrate and become German, Dutch, English, Swede, etc. in their full right, something tells me I am just dreaming. No, I am NOT being racist. Its just obvious that even though some Muslims have integrated into their new societies and embraced them, a significant portion didn't. And they won't. I'd rather not discuss why, because I don't think I know it well myself. Why so many people of other cultures integrate, and these don't. My brother even refuses to speak Russian for Lord's sake! ... well, you decide for yourself. Me discussing those reasons would constitute to outright racism, wouldn't it?

Posted by Fir3start3r on Apr-19-2009 15:37:

Don't worry Mag - remember Islam is not a race so you can't be considered a 'racist'.

While I won't go as far as blaming Islam itself, I will blame Islam for their total ineptitude towards quelling the extremism that exists within it.

If someone thinks that makes me some kind of 'bigot' or [insert Dhimmi apologetic word here] then too bad.
Respect isn't given, it's earned and so long as Islam can't even respect itself there isn't one human rights law to be used against me that's going to change my mind.

Islamiphobic? No, a phobia is an 'unreasonable fear of an object, concept, situation, or person'.
Unreasonable is hardly the situation at all.

Posted by Magnetonium on Apr-21-2009 03:00:

As if on cue, it is happening all over Europe ... I am in full support of Norway here.

How ironic that some of Norway's Muslims equate themselves to the suffering of Jews. At the same time, I don't recall Jews pressuing to change the laws and systems of their host countries to accomodate their ways ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8008364.stm

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Islam a political target in Norway

With less than six months to go until Norway's general election, increasing tensions over immigration and Islam appear likely to play a significant role in the vote.

The leader of the country's main opposition party has warned that it is facing "sneak-Islamisation", while some prominent Muslims say they face growing "persecution".

The heated debate is a sign that Norway, renowned as one of the most peaceful and tolerant nations in the world, is facing the same issues with its Muslim minority now familiar in other parts of Europe.

Siv Jensen, the 39-year-old leader of the opposition Progress Party, has objected to moves to introduce special measures in order to accommodate Muslims' religious sensitivities, traditions and rules.

"The reality is that a kind of sneak-Islamisation of this society is being allowed," she recently told a Progress Party conference. "We are going to have to stop this."

Opinion polls suggest the party could win as much as 30% of the vote in the election for the national parliament, the Storting, in September.

"If the Progress Party gets to govern Norway, we will enforce Norwegian law and Norwegian rules. We are not going to allow special demands from any single group in society," Ms Jensen added.

'Islamophobia'

Khalid Mahmood, a Pakistani-born member of the governing Labour Party believes Muslims are being persecuted, and Islam confronted with hatred.

"Muslims are the Jews of our times, stigmatised, generalised and presented as a threat to society" he says.

"It is not any longer immigrants who are targeted, but simply Muslims", he adds.

"We are portrayed as uncivilised people living double lives - orderly and behaved when in public, but at home fundamentalists suppressing and physically abusing women."

Last month, the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI), the racism watchdog of the Council of Europe, published a report warning that Islamophobia was on the rise in Norway.

Specifically, the commissioned highlighted the increasingly aggressive rhetoric of the Progress Party.

With an estimated 150,000 of Norway's almost five million population being Muslims, Islam is the second-biggest religion in the country.

But while Norway was ranked the most peaceful country in the world by the World Peace Index in 2007, it is struggling to integrate its religious minorities without friction.

In some places, Islamic traditions still clash with the largely non-religious Scandinavian way of life.

Culture clash

Earlier this year, the Labour Party's governing coalition suggested it would allow police officers to wear headscarves with their uniform, in the hope that it would attract more Muslim women the police force.

But after widespread criticism of the proposal, the government dropped the idea.

On International Women's Day in March, Syrian-born Sara Azmeh Rasmussen protested against headscarves by burning hers in public in the capital, Oslo.

Ms Jensen's party has produced a list of special measures it says Muslims have requested to accommodate their religious sensitivities and traditions.

On top of changes to police uniform, the list mentions inmates wanting Halal food served in prisons, and parents of teenage girls demanding schools separate their daughters from boys during sports lessons.

Most of her supporters say it is exactly her hardline stand against Islamic values and rules that make her their favourite candidate.

Some polls suggest that Ms Jensen's party could win the election, and that she could become the country's next prime minister - though to do so she would have to secure the support of other parties like the Conservatives, the Liberals and Christian Democrats.

'Empty rhetoric'

The significant success of the Progress Party has forced the governing Labour Party to react.

Earlier this year, the government tightened asylum rules despite earlier pledges not to do so.

And last month, senior members of the Labour Party called for a fight against radical Islam in Norway.

However, the former prime minister and Labour Party leader, Thorbjoern Jagland, called it an unnecessary fight that would only lead to confrontation.

While he argued that it was empty rhetoric, saying there was no radical Islam in Norway, the Norwegian Police Security Service (PST) insists radical Islam represents a threat.

"In Norway, extreme Islamist activity is carried out by small groups. However, the international connections the persons in these groups represent, in addition to activities they carry out, are such in nature that they can also influence that national threat picture," it said in a recent report.

While the debate is getting more heated, not all Muslims agree with Mr Mahmood.

"Three to four articles critical of religion and burning of a headscarf is not persecution of Muslims, it is a process of modernising," says Shakil Rehman, another Labour Party member.

"Criticism isn't a smear campaign, but necessary progress."

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