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i think it is pretty simple

people generally try to replicate things they like.

Because even though the sheeple think they know what trance is, we know different. Trance can be anything you want it to be, you know when it's trance and when it isn't.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN That's because they came and went in 95/96.

Jungle and DNB have more respect in 2009 than Trance and House combined. And the quality is leagues higher. Trance and House artists can't even form a break :P They are still on the ONCE ONCE ONCE ONCE stuff. :P

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Originally posted by cronodevir Jungle and DNB have more respect in 2009 than Trance and House combined. And the quality is leagues higher. Trance and House artists can't even form a break :P They are still on the ONCE ONCE ONCE ONCE stuff. :P

Are you an alt of Rubez?

Who is Rubez?

And why does it matter? What I said is fact. It was supposed to be a joke, but if you want to be serious, sure, Jungle and DNB have tons more integrity than anything a trance or house artist could even fathom.

Trance right now is that music style people start on to learn how to produce, then they move on. That is trance in 2009. And that is what I have seen many artist do, start out making trance as a toy to learn their gear, then they moved on to something with a bit more integrity, such as dnb or goa. The cheesey catchy cliche accolades of trance hold very little substance these days.

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Originally posted by Theran In my opinion, trance has lots of subgenre's. To name a example, I have a friend with whom I sort of 'started' DJing. We meet up every now and than to spin some records together, and he know's I've been into trance a couple of years now. But everytime I play some newer tracks, he starts telling me that I've changed my style to more minimal / house type of stuff. And everytime I tell him, it's not I changed my style. Trance music is also evolving, and is getting more and more influences from other genre's, and lately a lot from house and more minimal stuff. I see 'trance' as a mainstream genre. For instance, what is pop music? Pop music can be rock, ballads, hiphop.. you name it, and that's the way I see trance. When you are telling people that you are making / playing trance music, they always think about uplifting/euphoric trance, because that's known as 'trance' in the commercial scene. Producing wise, I started out making hardstyle (long time ago ), and slowly started into uplifting trance. However, very little uplifting trance astonishes me these days. when listening to trance around the world, I like most of the tracks, but I don't love them. If I listen to the Gareth Emery podcast, I love every track he plays, why? Because he plays a 'wide' range of trance music, with influences from every genre of music, which I think for the 'underground' trance lovers, is much more interesting.

Its all relative. A bunch of trance fans in sydney had a cry because trance energy played too much tech trance. They said it was too tech oriented. But to a tech fan, that music would have been pure trance, perhaps with a very slight tech influence.

Thats why I find genres annoying, what I call trance, a lot of people in sydney call prog. But what I call prog, a lot of them call tech house. Meanwhile, in parts of europe, the stuff I call prog gets called trance and the stuff I call trance gets called house. And in 5 years it'll be completely different again. Genres are simply not helpful.

But at any rate, I find the prog/trance melodic sound to be the easiest to make. Techno/tech house/deep house is the hardest to make IMO.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Are you an alt of Rubez?

Actually I think he's been taking too many drugs. He used to have sensible stuff to say... now... not so much.

I do half agree with him on that though, theres a lot of people claiming dubstep as the next big thing. And I do agree that trance was better when there was still a breaks/jungle influnce. Salt tank, afterlife and all those guys used to make trance with a lot of breaks, so did all the good old trance acts.

I think trance started dying a bit when it became obsessed with the four on the floor stuff and stopped breaking it up.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Who is Rubez? And why does it matter? What I said is fact. It was supposed to be a joke, but if you want to be serious, sure, Jungle and DNB have tons more integrity than anything a trance or house artist could even fathom. Trance right now is that music style people start on to learn how to produce, then they move on. That is trance in 2009. And that is what I have seen many artist do, start out making trance as a toy to learn their gear, then they moved on to something with a bit more integrity, such as dnb or goa. The cheesey catchy cliche accolades of trance hold very little substance these days.

Don't you mean "un tss un tss?"

Drum & Bass is the kind of music you'd expect the DJ to put on so that the kid that's having a seizure from overdosing doesn't look awkward.

No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to make simplistic trance songs out of 8th notes and a I-IV-V-I chord progression in the key of C.

Nah, I'm just in an argumentative mood kitphillps and I get tired of seeing what I see so often on trance forums.

I know I sound cheeky, but dubstep and darkstep arn't really the same. Though I do like classic dub [70's dub] and jungle and all that stuff. Jungle is just ... wow. but more importantly I actually hear melody in alot of this jungleish stuff. Now in the big picture dnb/jungle isn't far ahead of trance when it comes to melody. But compared to trance..wow.

Trance these days is made with a program called CMajGen, it generates and arp on the cmaj scale. You just push the generate button and you have your lead. The bass is C2 on every beat. That is trance. And originally, that wasn't a problem, in 1992 if someone did what i mentioned, it would be awesome, not in 2002 or 2009. Its gotten way too old. Trance with 16 bar melodies is what id like to hear, with a bass as equally complex as the lead. And can we get atleast a hint of breakbeat in there?? Four to the floor is old. Its cheese, its the stereotypical trance theme. And none of this pop-y stuff either. I don't want Vocal Happy without the vocals.

Maby trance was supposed to only be good in the first 10 years and we were supposed to move on, but not everyone moved along, and those that stayed made this shit even more popular.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Nah, I'm just in an argumentative mood

You do not have alot of mood swings now do you ?

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Originally posted by Subtle You do not have alot of mood swings now do you ?

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Originally posted by cronodevir Trance these days is made with a program called CMajGen

I can't find it on google. Please send link.

Go make that 16 bar melody. I'll give you a cookie!

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Originally posted by Beatflux I can't find it on google. Please send link. Go make that 16 bar melody. I'll give you a cookie!

CMajGen : Link You press the "Trance" button and it does all the work for you!

Ive already made a song with 16+ bars of melody

This is how proper trance can sound!

http://www.subtleinc.net/this_is_proper_trance.mp3

And woot! there is a breakdown too!

Needs more cowbell.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Maby trance was supposed to only be good in the first 10 years and we were supposed to move on, but not everyone moved along, and those that stayed made this shit even more popular.

I do understand what you say here but what you're saying tends to weigh a lot more on the genres of "uplifting" or "epic" trance. I used to be a big uplifting trance fan until I went to my first rave and saw Markus Schulz & Tiesto live at ETD Pop 2008. I never understoond prog/electro/tech trance styles until that night and now i can barely stand uplifting trance. Its just all supersaw and/or saw pluck. i tend to think of it as saw-trance.

Truth is that uplifting/epic trance is "mainstream trance" because its more catchy than more progressive styles of trance and, just like mainstream of every other genre in the world, its too formulaic. I find that the majority of trance is just uninspired and without soul these days. However, there are still really good trance tracks around, but its more like finding a diamond in the rough.

Let us all remember though that trance music is not about listening, but about feeling. A good track is a good track regardless what key it is written in, even if it happens to be C/Am.

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Originally posted by Subtle This is how proper trance can sound! http://www.subtleinc.net/this_is_proper_trance.mp3 And woot! there is a breakdown too!

its almost psy imo. real trance imo is : Binary Finary - Cryogen, some uplifting leads, some acid, some 909 drums, fast bpm = success

Fail.

Where did that post I replied to go?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqGM...feature=related

to give more input into my own thread lol

this trance track by rank-1 let their be light gives a perfect example of how a producer can create a track and never have the worry of genre restrictions.

a perfect blend of everything hard to pull of but then the man is a genius.

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Originally posted by owien a perfect blend of everything hard to pull of but then the man is a genius.

In before some smart ass tell your they are two people.

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Originally posted by Subtle In before some smart ass tell your they are two people.

eh? i was led to believe rank -1 was well one person. lol either way it's still a good representation never the less

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Originally posted by owien eh? i was led to believe rank -1 was well one person. lol either way it's still a good representation never the less

Yeah, its not the same generic cookie trance stuff, although the arrangement is slightly confusing, but its made for dance floor so.

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Originally posted by Subtle Yeah, its not the same generic cookie trance stuff, although the arrangement is slightly confusing, but its made for dance floor so.

in my mind i was thinking the arrangement was what make the track so good. it may sound easy to do but tis it aint.but then making tunes is no easy thing anyway.

What asanine person would restrict themselves to a genera anyways? You make what you like, not what others like.

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Originally posted by cronodevir What asanine person would restrict themselves to a genera anyways? You make what you like, not what others like.

you will be taken aback buy how many that do. just stick to one genre.
witch leads me back nicely to my "lets talk about trance our pet sound".

i still think that trance is a very interesting genure from a production point of view. true it can be very simple to make but also its a genre that leaves open for more creativeness.

hence i believe why it's still going after all these years.

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