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Give her Berghain 02 by Marcel Dettmann or DE9: Closer to the Edit. Also some Seth Troxler stuff.

If she likes rock, then she might like Deep Dish - Flashdance....

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Originally posted by elFreak I find it really really funny that many of you automatically associate being a woman with liking garbage like Bob Sinclair.

It is indeed quite telling that everyone automatically starting suggesting rubbish house music the minute it was revealed that this person was a girl. Complete pisstake.

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Originally posted by TranceOwnsLol If she likes rock, then she might like Deep Dish - Flashdance....

flashdance and...flashback!

harsh noise. works like a charm.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Danny Howells' 2007 EM or his GU:Miami. Those should melt her panties off.

Pretty much, any Danny Howells em is win. I'd also recommend some Armand, but that's just me.

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It is indeed quite telling that everyone automatically starting suggesting rubbish house music the minute it was revealed that this person was a girl.

Yes, but remember we are not simply listing good music, we are helping get someone into edm, and who didn't get to where they are now through more commercial/vocal music first? We almost all did. It's all about the transition.

If it was a guy I would suggest shitty commerical electro music. Not necessarily stuff I like, but stuff to make a transition.

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Originally posted by daphunky1 Yes, but remember we are not simply listing good music, we are helping get someone into edm, and who didn't get to where they are now through more commercial/vocal music first?

I didn't. I got into electronic music via mid 90s drum n bass, like this one.

You are all suggesting that girls can't possibly "get" the "advanced electronic music" that you listen to on their own, so you suggest utter rubbish as a starting point for them to later gain a "more developed taste". Not only is it a massive stereotype that girls can't start with good electronic music they find on their own, it also presupposes that your tastes are somehow more refined, and that girls can't possibly "get" this "refined" music you people listen to right away.

I dunno about you, but to me, this comes across as quite condescending.

If you're going to recommend Bob fucking Sinclar you may as well not bother at all. Anyone can walk into a supermarket and buy a Ministry of Sound compilation with that **** on. If a friend asked me for recommendations with the knowledge that I know my way around dance music, I would actually think hard to try and recommend some accessible yet accomplished stuff in line with what they currently enjoy.

I wish I'd had a friend who could recommend stuff when I was finding my way in dance music. I wouldn't have about 50 shitty trance compilations featuring only a handful of good tracks clogging up my collection that are a product of learning what had staying power and what was disposable.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Well the when is nearly always answered by whenever woscar sees the thread.

LOL, I do tend to whore that set out

Luke Fair - Live at Club Seven, Barranquilla*, Colombia would be my pick... not a long set, filled with some great, ass-shaking music.

*I'm sure I spelled that wrong :P

Gert Wilden and His Orchestra - Bulletproof

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I wish I'd had a friend who could recommend stuff when I was finding my way in dance music. I wouldn't have about 50 shitty trance compilations featuring only a handful of good tracks clogging up my collection that are a product of learning what had staying power and what was disposable.

Could be worse. You might have spent your early years snatching up tons of mid-90s eurohouse comps instead.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J If you're going to recommend Bob fucking Sinclar you may as well not bother at all.

Uhh definitely not!




is all I have to say.

im in miami bitch

not really trance but girls like this stuff.. I do too actually..



I also second the recommendation for Oceanlab..Sirens of the Sea, Satellite,etc You also might want to throw some Andain in there..the clasics (Beautiful Things, etc.) Kirsty Hawkshaw too..

oh, and Gab & Dresden's Perfect Lie remix for a nice chill break in between fast stuff..

Lovebirds or Luke Fair would be good too - I'd go with something funky and fun.



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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch Luke Fair - Live at Club Seven, Barranquilla*, Colombia would be my pick... not a long set, filled with some great, ass-shaking music. *I'm sure I spelled that wrong :P

No, you actually spelled it correctly

get your friends some steve lawler lights out cds. also d/l some podcasts from ibiza-voice.com.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper I didn't. I got into electronic music via mid 90s drum n bass, like this one. You are all suggesting that girls can't possibly "get" the "advanced electronic music" that you listen to on their own, so you suggest utter rubbish as a starting point for them to later gain a "more developed taste". Not only is it a massive stereotype that girls can't start with good electronic music they find on their own, it also presupposes that your tastes are somehow more refined, and that girls can't possibly "get" this "refined" music you people listen to right away. I dunno about you, but to me, this comes across as quite condescending.

Ya, you are mostly right. And now that I think about it, I don't even fully agree with what I said. When I make people cds of edm it is always songs I really like, not some cheese to get them started. But I still stand by the fact that edm can be very foreign to a lot of people and some good vocals, or strong melodies are good ways for people to pay attention to music that may otherwise sound all too generic at first.

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Originally posted by elFreak I find it really really funny that many of you automatically associate being a woman with liking garbage like Bob Sinclair. Believe it or not, there are way more girls with good musical tastes then those drunken club quims whistling to love generation and flashing their snatches to cellphone cams for drinks. Sexist bastards

Firstly, most people with good taste acquired it, they didn't start with it.

Secondly, it's "Sinclar" and I'm surprised that someone of your vintage doesn't know who he is. He was actually very respected in house circles, just like Martin Solvieg circa Heartbeat. God that was a good track. Fuck yeah:

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper You are all suggesting that girls can't possibly "get" the "advanced electronic music" that you listen to on their own, so you suggest utter rubbish as a starting point for them to later gain a "more developed taste". Not only is it a massive stereotype that girls can't start with good electronic music they find on their own, it also presupposes that your tastes are somehow more refined, and that girls can't possibly "get" this "refined" music you people listen to right away. I dunno about you, but to me, this comes across as quite condescending.

It's got nothing to do with more "refined" or "mature" taste, it's just that "proper" electronic music is extremely intimidating for newcomers. A gentle start ensures they won't be scared off by what they initially perceive as hard, fast and monotonous.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J If you're going to recommend Bob fucking Sinclar you may as well not bother at all. Anyone can walk into a supermarket and buy a Ministry of Sound compilation with that **** on. If a friend asked me for recommendations with the knowledge that I know my way around dance music, I would actually think hard to try and recommend some accessible yet accomplished stuff in line with what they currently enjoy. I wish I'd had a friend who could recommend stuff when I was finding my way in dance music. I wouldn't have about 50 shitty trance compilations featuring only a handful of good tracks clogging up my collection that are a product of learning what had staying power and what was disposable.

There's nothing wrong with recommending Bob Sinclar. Like me, while you may see that as shit, I know plenty of women (and guys, actually) who enjoy that kind of stuff and still get a kick out of it years after it's been released, in the same way people still enjoy Abba and other music we might see as disposable. You're being condescending by assuming she'll get over it just because you don't like it.

In regards to having guidance, I hear you there, but I think music is just like life; you have to make your own mistakes and find your own way to a certain degree. I very rarely actually take recommendations from people for music, because I prefer to find it on my own (the joy of discovery!), and half the time my tastes differ from theirs anyway.

Besides, people can teach you the difference between music with artistic integrity and that which is cheese, but can anyone really tell you what's going to be disposable for you? I think the shelf life of music is a very personal and objective thing, just like taste itself.

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Originally posted by Domesticated i like stargate so everyone should take my opinions re music with a grain of dog's turd.

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Originally posted by Domesticated There's nothing wrong with recommending Bob Sinclar. Like me, while you may see that as shit, I know plenty of women (and guys, actually) who enjoy that kind of stuff and still get a kick out of it years after it's been released, in the same way people still enjoy Abba and other music we might see as disposable. You're being condescending by assuming she'll get over it just because you don't like it.

Well I don't regard Abba as disposable, actually. As far as pop music goes, it's difficult to top Abba. But Bob Sinclar... I don't care how respected this guy used to be in house circles, in the same way that Pendulum's position in drum 'n bass circles around 2004 in no way migitates the shit they put out now. Bob Sinclar is, in my opinion, fucking awful, and it would go against my integrity to recommend someone an act I regard as poisonous.

That's actually beside the point though. Bob Sinclar is played on daytime radio here. He's featured on your average supermarket Ministry of Sound compilation. You don't need to recommend Bob Sinclar. The most clueless person in the world can find Bob Sinclar. A girl asked me what music I liked once, and when I replied "dance music" she played a Bob Sinclar track on her phone. "Stuff like this?"

It's not really about Bob Sinclar being poisonous, although that's why I singled him out in particular, but rather how massively visible he is. Likewise Daft Punk. Everyone knows Daft Punk. You don't need to recommend Daft Punk, because everyone who has any interest in dance music will check out DP in their own time. I actually think it's condescending to think people would be so clueless that they need guiding onto gateway music like Sinclar or DP. If they're asking, they want taking past gateway music.

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In regards to having guidance, I hear you there, but I think music is just like life; you have to make your own mistakes and find your own way to a certain degree. I very rarely actually take recommendations from people for music, because I prefer to find it on my own (the joy of discovery!), and half the time my tastes differ from theirs anyway.

Perhaps you're of a different mindset to this person, since she's asked for recommendations where you wouldn't. Recommendations are just one of the ways of finding out about new music. If I were left to trawl Beatport, Juno and other music sites, aimlessly listening to samples with no direction, I wouldn't own half the great music I do. I'd probably go away dispirited and jaded. I read lots of reviews, follow lots of forum threads, catch up on my history, download hyped sets. They're all ways of finding out about great music from other people and recommendations are no different.

It's almost impossible to avoid having your exploration influenced by the opinion of others, and the great thing is you can quickly find out how closely your opinion correlates with someone else's. I'd be happy to ask you about good prog-psy recommendations, for example, even if I didn't intend to have my explorations into prog-psy dictated entirely by one person's opinion.

Who ever said that i did not hoe Bob Sinclar was (even if i always add the i, call it a force of habit, sinclair is a very common french name vs sinclar)? Africanism is the only thing he did of note, other than that it has been paint by numbers anthem garbage (produced a lot by others as well and with his name added to it) He is the among the worst dj's live I have ever seen, so even though my assessment of him may be based on personal opinion, i think it is a fair one. The Tiesto of French Touch, the man does not even mix, only fades in and out of tracks, half the time not even phrased right.

My comment was directed to associating women with liking cheesy vocal house. Taste is not something you can put your finger on so easily i will concur, and it is not limited to electronic music. For instance, my girlfriend has a lot of trouble with electronic music as a whole (although she is getting into the move d stuff and likes burial quite a bit due to exposure to it from myself.), so if i were to ask for suggestions, would everyone automatically suggest Britney Spears?

She would probably hit me in the head with one of her 8 vintage guitars. She is a woman and has imo impeccable tastes (albeit in different genres than what i prefer.). Anyone who's idol is David Bowie is ok musically by my books. Weird, she is a woman, and Bowie is not really mindless music to flash your tits to, hmmmm anomaly?

no.

sterotypes are so cliche.

/hungover badly written rant.

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Originally posted by Domesticated It's got nothing to do with more "refined" or "mature" taste, it's just that "proper" electronic music is extremely intimidating for newcomers. A gentle start ensures they won't be scared off by what they initially perceive as hard, fast and monotonous.

The fact that you just used the term "proper electronic music" in this context just further underlines my point. You really should quit putting electronic music on such a high pedestal that you consider it necessary for people to have a "gateway" before they "get it".

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Originally posted by Domesticated People new to electronic music don't like techno or ambient

not necessarily, more like close-minded people


i dont use training wheels.

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