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Originally posted by Renegade EDIT: Holy shit: http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....uld_draw_c.html

Also in that article but conveniently omitted from context to make her look horribly hypocritical...

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But they're being carried out across the country by new grass-roots leaders like Wilder, who are upset that the government seems to be bailing out everyone but them.

I don't think this is the prevailing mindset of your average tea party protester. They are against more and more debt being piled on and them when too much spending is what got us here in the first place. It's not some innate jealousy that they aren't getting a bailout. THEY DON'T WANT THE ENDLESS BAILOUTS AND DEFICIT SPENDING. Bush was horrible with his, but it pales in comparison to what is being spent now, let alone the more than doubling of the Fed's balance sheet that is only going to get worse before it gets better.


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Smith said he became involved because Obama is causing class and racial divisiveness by promoting policies that benefit select groups of Americans. Americans need safety nets, but Obama and Congress are pushing programs that foster dependency and weaken capitalism, said Smith, who acknowledged he collected food stamp benefits for a few months last year

I mean really, you can't make this shit up...

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS blah blah blah i eat shit

srsly....did you even watch the video??

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Originally posted by Shakka I don't think this is the prevailing mindset of your average tea party protester. They are against more and more debt being piled on and them when too much spending is what got us here in the first place. It's not some innate jealousy that they aren't getting a bailout. THEY DON'T WANT THE ENDLESS BAILOUTS AND DEFICIT SPENDING. Bush was horrible with his, but it pales in comparison to what is being spent now, let alone the more than doubling of the Fed's balance sheet that is only going to get worse before it gets better. ...

The average tea party protester is a retard. Oh they don't want endless bailouts and deficit spending??? Well they sure as hell picked the MOST opportune time to take affront to it during the WORST recession since the great depression. Look, I can't take these people seriously ... when the economy was booming, unemployment was down at 5% (below historical full employment levels), and every decent economist was saying we needed to leverage the business cycle by reducing spending, raising interest rates, and increase the savings rate all these very same "teabagging" type people supported all the Bush tax cuts and were saying "MORE TAX CUTS! LOOK AT THE BOOST TO THE ECONOMY THESE TAX CUTS ARE HAVING! WHAT DEFICIT???". These people need to just shut up. They didn't understand then and they certainly don't understand now. This tempermental-Keynesian attitude is either sheer stupidity ... or willful ideological ignorance at best.

As for the doubling of the fed balance sheet, I don't really see how that's bad. I mean looking at the other central bank balance sheets, and given treasury auction sales .... I don't see anything at all to be concerned about to be honest.

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Originally posted by DjWhooCares Blah,blah,blah I eat shit too.

I watched all the videos. I like the parts where MSNBC says this and that about Bush and his spending and nobody was saying anything then story after story. Bush didnt campaign shouting change and cut back on goverment spending now did he? Obama is a flat out liar and one of the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen. I guess spending our money and our kids money doesnt count as goverment speding. Get it straight I am a Nationalist. Just be thankfull Texas doesnt depend on state taxes like California does or Texas would be in a shit hole right now too because of all those damn illegal imigrants. Why should I care I am going to be retiring in the Philippines anyway. Maayong gabii.

Chalk one up for Susan.
http://gawker.com/5216313/fox+bashi...or-a-job-at-fox

Whatever point the teabaggers are trying to make (that rich people should get the same tax decrease they're currently getting? what?), they've completely trumped themselves by being completely and thoroughly annoying to anyone that may have been sympathetic to their (faux) cause.

I mean seriously, you don't know how aggravating riding the Metro in DC was this week... grrr tourists and teabaggers.

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Originally posted by occrider The average tea party protester is a retard. Oh they don't want endless bailouts and deficit spending??? Well they sure as hell picked the MOST opportune time to take affront to it during the WORST recession since the great depression. Look, I can't take these people seriously ... when the economy was booming, unemployment was down at 5% (below historical full employment levels), and every decent economist was saying we needed to leverage the business cycle by reducing spending, raising interest rates, and increase the savings rate all these very same "teabagging" type people supported all the Bush tax cuts and were saying "MORE TAX CUTS! LOOK AT THE BOOST TO THE ECONOMY THESE TAX CUTS ARE HAVING! WHAT DEFICIT???". These people need to just shut up. They didn't understand then and they certainly don't understand now. This tempermental-Keynesian attitude is either sheer stupidity ... or willful ideological ignorance at best. As for the doubling of the fed balance sheet, I don't really see how that's bad. I mean looking at the other central bank balance sheets, and given treasury auction sales .... I don't see anything at all to be concerned about to be honest.

Let me add to what I was saying. I wasn't necessarily trying to say I agree or disagree with what these people are doing, though I did say that some of the silly backlash made me a bit more sympathetic to them. I think you're probably right that most of them don't really understand the economics behind what is going on. And I will gladly volunteer that the Fed is doing what they SHOULD do in a time like this. However, it's what got us here that is the reason we're having this discussion. As Paul McCulley suggests when he and others talk about the Paradox of Thrift and the Paradox of Deleveraging, when the public is deleveraging like they are now, the only entity capable of levering up to absorb the deleveraging in the private sector is the government. I think there are legitimate arguments that a lot of the spending from TARP I is not the kind of stimulus we need, however. And all of the smart people I read suggest that TARP I is only a down payment and that there will at least be TARP II, TARP III, etc.

And yes, I do think it's a bit hypocritical of a lot of these people who have suddenly found religion with regard to deficit spending now that their party is out of power, but I've tried to stay as objective as my own political leanings will allow me to and I don't necessarily think that the policies being pursued are anything close to a cure or solution to the problems, rather I think continuing to add debt and spend more when excessive spending is such a large component of the problem are more akin to giving a heroin addict another fix to put off the pain of the real solution which is to kill the addiction. We may be helping to ease short-term pain, as all of these massive liquidity injections will certainly stimulate markets, help the stock market, help the public mood, etc. However, I fear that we're also kicking the can down the road, pursuing policies that are potentially extremely inflationary (depending on how successful the Fed is at withdrawing the liquidity if/when things start to perk up). Add in the fact that we're seeing very serious rumblings from the Chinese regarding the dollar and suggestions that their appetite for treasurys may diminish which has it's own ramifcations for the success of the government's plans and their ability to finance all of the money they're spending, potential for crowding out of private investment, etc. At the end of the day, the aggregate of public, private and government debt to GDP has not gone down, rather it has gone up. And with asset value deflation, the ratio is much worse. The problem is not getting better even if we get short term boosts that make us feel a little better about things.

As far as the Fed's balance sheet goes. Sure, they're doing what they should do in a situation, however that is not to say that there are not serious consequences (intended, unintended, and unknown) that go along with such aggressive policies. I think it's a bit risky to be so dismissive of doing things like potentially resorting to monetizing debt if that's what it comes to, aside from things like exposing the taxpayers to potentially massive losses (Even though Bernanke & Co. say they've never lost a dime, it's pretty clear they've taken on more risk then ever with the current slew of alphabet soup programs).

Anyway, yeah, I doubt the average protester is thinking about it that in depth, but I don't think that means they're necessarily wrong to protest. They do look pretty silly though, but no more or less silly than the fools who are criticizing them.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Whatever point the teabaggers are trying to make (that rich people should get the same tax decrease they're currently getting? what?), they've completely trumped themselves by being completely and thoroughly annoying to anyone that may have been sympathetic to their (faux) cause. I mean seriously, you don't know how aggravating riding the Metro in DC was this week... grrr tourists and teabaggers.

teabagging is the gayest thing i've heard of in a while. protestors suck - conservative or liberal.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 protestors suck - conservative or liberal.

You know what sucks? This emerging collective disdain for protestors and protesting. Just because you see a few people acting stupid on TV or code pink ladies getting escorted out of hearings doesn't mean that protestors suck.

Personally I'm glad we have the right to protest and I'll be exercising that right when I see fit.

Regardless of how ridiculous this "tea bagging" shit is, I still think it's good that people are involved enough to join a protest.

It just makes me laugh that this is what these people will protest for. Gay rights, illegal war, wiretapping, etc...they'll stay home for those, but when we propose a percent increase in rich people's taxes it's that big of a deal to them.

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Originally posted by Clovis You know what sucks? This emerging collective disdain for protestors and protesting. Just because you see a few people acting stupid on TV or code pink ladies getting escorted out of hearings doesn't mean that protestors suck. Personally I'm glad we have the right to protest and I'll be exercising that right when I see fit. Regardless of how ridiculous this "tea bagging" shit is, I still think it's good that people are involved enough to join a protest. It just makes me laugh that this is what these people will protest for. Gay rights, illegal war, wiretapping, etc...they'll stay home for those, but when we propose a percent increase in rich people's taxes it's that big of a deal to them.

Protesting is fine until it actually fucks with your normal daily functions. I work in times square, and for some dumb-ass reason every protestor wants to protest within a 10 block radius of my building. Today, I couldn't get work done (and i work on the 14th floor of my building) because people were protesting 'genocide' in Sri Lanka. Seriously, what the hell is yelling "what do we want, when do we want it!!" going to do to end their claims of genocide in Sri Lanka? I seriously doubt that BS even raised consequential awareness for their causes. It really just makes people who are inconvenienced mad.

Protestors suck because of the way they go about it and the causes for which they are protesting (which in my view are pretty stupid today). I wouldn't have a problem with protestors or protests if the people protesting were doing it for something that would further a real social need and if the protest had some effect on the cause for which they were protesting.

It's really easy for suburbanites to say protesting is blah blah blah when they aren't faced with protestors inconveniencing their lives on a normal basis. I deal with this stupid crap way too often (at least 6 or 7 times a year - it's unbelievably annoying). Oh yeah, and when Bush was in power there was always a group of nutjobs protesting something war related (or 9/11 related) right outside one of my train stations (holding up the flow of people).

Come live and work in NY or DC and I'm sure you'll feel a little differently when protesting isn't just some abstract concept.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Protesting is fine until it actually fucks with your normal daily functions. I work in times square, and for some dumb-ass reason every protestor wants to protest within a 10 block radius of my building. Today, I couldn't get work done (and i work on the 14th floor of my building) because people were protesting 'genocide' in Sri Lanka. Seriously, what the hell is yelling "what do we want, when do we want it!!" going to do to end their claims of genocide in Sri Lanka? I seriously doubt that BS even raised consequential awareness for their causes. It really just makes people who are inconvenienced mad. Protestors suck because of the way they go about it and the causes for which they are protesting (which in my view are pretty stupid today). I wouldn't have a problem with protestors or protests if the people protesting were doing it for something that would further a real social need and if the protest had some effect on the cause for which they were protesting. It's really easy for suburbanites to say protesting is blah blah blah when they aren't faced with protestors inconveniencing their lives on a normal basis. I deal with this stupid crap way too often (at least 6 or 7 times a year - it's unbelievably annoying). Oh yeah, and when Bush was in power there was always a group of nutjobs protesting something war related (or 9/11 related) right outside one of my train stations (holding up the flow of people). Come live and work in NY or DC and I'm sure you'll feel a little differently when protesting isn't just some abstract concept.

This is so true.

There's nothing wrong with the spirit of protest, but there are a lot more productive ways to get your point across than holding a sign and yelling at innocent passers-by. And ffs, it's an unspoken rule that you do not even talk on a Metro in the morning, and these people try to start a chant? If your issue ever comes to a vote, I'm voting against you just for pissing me off.

I'd go so far as to say that not a single mind has ever been changed by a protest. It's one thing to let the government know you disagree with their actions. It's quite another to strut around and gleefully label anyone not joining your protest as an "Obamatard" or some other equally dumb and unproductive label.

edit: none of that rant was targeted at jerz, obviously.

Obviously there is a problem with protesting. Its ok to protest if you are a Liberal but any other doing from another party is annoying even if it is bipartisan like these events were. There is definitly some hypocrisy going on here.

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS Obviously there is a problem with protesting. Its ok to protest if you are a Liberal but any other doing from another party is annoying even if it is bipartisan like these events were. There is definitly some hypocrisy going on here.

The protest today outside my building in times square was a bunch of liberal nutjobs. I hate them! The idiots throwing perfectly good lipton tea bags in buckets are conserative tards. I hate them too! I couldn't give a fuck about the ideology to which the protestors subscribe, they all suck! That is, unless the protesting is a manifestation of some real social unrest because of inequalities.

As Leb said, they are so many better ways to get your point across than bothering people who have real things to do during the day.

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS Obviously there is a problem with protesting. Its ok to protest if you are a Liberal but any other doing from another party is annoying even if it is bipartisan like these events were. There is definitly some hypocrisy going on here.

What? I'm pretty sure I specifically said I don't care what the cause is, protesting doesn't work because it's annoying.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov What? I'm pretty sure I specifically said I don't care what the cause is, protesting doesn't work because it's annoying.

The absolute worst ones are the ones who protest protesting a la PCU.

Ok so when the next protests happen I expect MSNBC to be all over it bashing the hell out of it. Lets say all the Spanish descents and thier illegal family members get and itch up thier assess and protest in our streets again. "Not like illegals have the right to protest anyway". Where were the Lefties on that shit? Exactly.

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS Ok so when the next protests happen I expect MSNBC to be all over it bashing the hell out of it. Lets say all the Spanish descents and thier illegal family members get and itch up thier assess and protest in our streets again. "Not like illegals have the right to protest anyway". Where were the Lefties on that shit? Exactly.

Look son, I'm sorry you've been called annoying for being a protester, but I can assure you that liberal protesters are almost as annoying as you are.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Look son, I'm sorry you've been called annoying for being a protester, but I can assure you that liberal protesters are almost as annoying as you are.

I didnt protest. I went to listen to what the speakers had to say. Thats what open minded people do. Ok dad?

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS I didnt protest. I went to listen to what the speakers had to say. Thats what open minded people do. Ok dad?

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS You can tell all the Obama voters walking around with all that guilt hanging thier heads all low. Losers.

lol @ open minded. Your mind is about as one-sided as can be, son.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov lol @ open minded. Your mind is about as one-sided as can be, son.

come on now leb, being totally open to one side is still open minded. duh!

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS I didnt protest. I went to listen to what the speakers had to say. Thats what open minded people do. Ok dad?

you didn't have to get off your couch to hear what they were going to say. I'm sure Hannity and Beck would have covered (and glorified) every aspect of the protests, and MSNBC would have covered the opposite side of it trying to disprove every claim made by those idiots.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov lol @ open minded. Your mind is about as one-sided as can be, son.

Nice try. Just because I dont agree with a majority of Liberal views doesnt mean I am close minded. You stay fancy by buying all that campaign bullshit. Kool wit joo brah.

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS Nice try. Just because I dont agree with a majority of Liberal views doesnt mean I am close minded. You stay fancy by buying all that campaign bullshit. Kool wit joo brah.

Son, the only person using campaign slogans as a point of reference is you.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov What? I'm pretty sure I specifically said I don't care what the cause is, protesting doesn't work because it's annoying.

Interesting. Have you ever attended a protest before? Your statement is lazy as fuck. You catching that Bra. Why dont you quote me something else you have read from a book and not expierenced first hand. Maybe why you are at it you can tell everyone here what war is like too.

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