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Originally posted by cronodevir Dude, Why are you still talking? My first two posts answered all this. Before you even said anything, WOW that's some preemptive shit!

+1 page and counting......

Latency is, by definition, a delay. Low latency is a good thing. You may personally be able to work with higher latency, but it's braindead to suggest that everybody else should be too.

Get yourself a decent PC and sound card/device and you should have no problem running at latencies of 2-10 ms without stutters or freezes.

Re: What kind of performance boost can I expect with this upgrade?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I'm just sick and tired of not being able to finish my best tracks because right now I have a Pentium D 3.0 (passmark of 768 from cpubenchmark.com)(not overclocked) On one project I have the following instances running: Gladiator (bass)mono FireBird (lead) mono Toxic Biohazard (pad)2 keys/octaves Z3ta (bass) mono Albino (arp)2 keys/octaves Nexus (lead layer) 4 keys/octaves and I'm hitting 80% prob a good 15% is coming from fxs alone. I have the core2duo E7400 2.8ghz coming with new mobo that I can overclock so I'll be hopefully getting up to 3.4ghz with it. Its rated 1833 on cpubenchmark.com My question now, because the passmark is more then double, AND I'll be overclocking, does that = a more then double performance increase? Like double the amount of vsts? Relatively speaking of course, or no am I way off? Thanks, I'm excited so any help I'd appreciate. Using FL Studio btw.

i wouldn't recommend the overclocking to 3.4
The bus speed increase will be minimal and you probably won't even need the extra headroom for your mixes. And the heating issues are always something you have to keep in mind.

Learn to mix economically

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Originally posted by DigiNut Latency is, by definition, a delay. Low latency is a good thing. You may personally be able to work with higher latency, but it's braindead to suggest that everybody else should be too. Get yourself a decent PC and sound card/device and you should have no problem running at latencies of 2-10 ms without stutters or freezes.

Sure, but there is no realistic benefit. Even If I had 5 times the power I do now, I would set to a high latency. Simply because If I have that capacity. The amount of software Id be willing to use will match it. My AMD 3200+ and 2.5GB RAM is plenty in this age. Also, stutters doesn't happen until I get down to 280 samples on average.

Also to the OP, those synths you have, I bet you could remake those sounds in a 3osc or something. Like the bass....what bass can't be made in 3osc? Yet you are using a couple of high usage synths for it. Its all about economics. Achieving a sound with as little resources as possible.

[Heh, CPU beats a p4 3.0ghz without overclocking :P]

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Originally posted by cronodevir [Heh, CPU beats a p4 3.0ghz without overclocking :P]

Thats like bragging about running from a turtle.

You should seriously consider upgrading your half a decade old computer technology.

i've never really understood why or investigated why but alot of soundcards operate better at 512-1024 . Increasing the latency made the actual performance, CPU wise, worse. Perhaps this is only a situation that happened to me. This is for PC

RME DIGI 96
RME HDSP 9632
RME HDSP 9652
Delta 66

i'm not refering to pops or clicks, just CPU performance.

I can do with my PC what most can't do with one twice as good. Its all in the economics of how you use it. For Instance, I can run Race Drive GRID, a game released in 2009.

My Sound is just RrealTek HD, some random sound chip. I use ASIO drivers however. The card is simply a step between the CPU and the speakers. All the hardware I may use is USB. Such as my midi keyboard.

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Originally posted by cronodevir I can do with my PC what most can't do with one twice as good. Its all in the economics of how you use it. For Instance, I can run Race Drive GRID, a game released in 2009.

Yeah i had the same CPU on my last PC, i could run Crysis.. one the most demanding PC games available.

No matter what, your CPU is always going to be a limitation for you, while me who actually uses nothing better than 2-3 years old CPU technology now, has yet to run out of processing power.

Would it not be nice to actually be able to run as many instances of z3ta as you want ?

Im just saying man, even a slight upgrade to any dual core would do wonders for you.

I do however agree with you that you can manage with the setup you have, there just is not any power left over for you to play with.

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Originally posted by cronodevir I can do with my PC what most can't do with one twice as good. Its all in the economics of how you use it. For Instance, I can run Race Drive GRID, a game released in 2009. My Sound is just RrealTek HD, some random sound chip. I use ASIO drivers however. The card is simply a step between the CPU and the speakers. All the hardware I may use is USB. Such as my midi keyboard.

your DA won't be very accurate. What exactly do you do with your computer that makes it so much more effective than others with better specs.

The way I see it is "shit, I CAN'T run another z3ta, time to load up [insert simple synthesizer] and make what I need" It forces me to use smaller synthesizers to make bigger sounds. Which helps develop my sound designing skill. If I only used big stuff, I would have never found out WHY Synth1 is better than 50% of the commercial synthesizers out there :P Crystal is another nice synthesizer.

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Originally posted by RichieV your DA won't be very accurate. What exactly do you do with your computer that makes it so much more effective than others with better specs.

Modified the games and their settings that I play. Use less intensive synthesizers to make the same sounds. Modify the OS to use less. There is ALOT you can do to your average prebuilt PC to increase efficiency. And If I bounced Audio more..I could do loads.

When I produce on average I only have 4-5 sound generators. Z3ta, ABL2/Z3ta, 3OSC, Battery 3, 3OSC/GPO. I have one Reverb for anything that needs reverb.

There is, as I mentioned, WAY too many things you can do to make the most with what you got. I learned this mostly because I don't have the money to buy a new PC every 6 months. :P More like every 4 years.

so you are referring to economy of mixing, not actual configuration of the OS to run the computer faster.

OS can be improved by messing with pagefile settings, turning off uneeded features. And If your on Linux, well, the stuff you can do on linux could fill volumes of books.

still, all those tweaks that made a difference 4 years ago, they really don't do much now anymore.

I always thought of CPU limitations something that was an issue for people 3 years ago. I think the biggest limitation right now, perhaps more so for people that use large sample librairies , is ram and i suppose hardrive speed. 64 bit OS is starting to become a reality so things are better in the last few months but it is still in an area of transition.

IN GPO, the Steinway Piano Duo alone uses 386Mb of RAM :P

Ive never ran out of RAM. My issues are either CPU [music/visual art] or Graphics Card [games]

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Originally posted by RichieV still, all those tweaks that made a difference 4 years ago, they really don't do much now anymore. I always thought of CPU limitations something that was an issue for people 3 years ago. I think the biggest limitation right now, perhaps more so for people that use large sample librairies , is ram and i suppose hardrive speed. 64 bit OS is starting to become a reality so things are better in the last few months but it is still in an area of transition.

Yeah definitely, if there is something i do run out of occasionally it`s RAM.

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Originally posted by cronodevir IN GPO, the Steinway Piano Duo alone uses 386Mb of RAM :P

My default project setup runs about 16 gigs of ram.
Combination of VSL ensemble
Symphonia
EW orchestra ....

takes a few minutes to load.


obviously not related to trance production but just to give you an idea.

You don't have 16 GB of RAM. Show me such a system please.

i have 32
Not sure why anyone would lie about such a thing.

The 8 core Mac Pro's can use 32.

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Originally posted by RichieV i have 32

You must have a really good motherboard, pherhaps with DDR3 or a MAC ?

In 50 Years we still won't *need* 32 GB ram. Do you have a solid state drive and are calling it ram?

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Originally posted by Subtle You must have a really good motherboard, pherhaps with DDR3 or a MAC ?

made an edit above

yes it is the later generation 8 core mac pro.
The ram was not that expensive. About 700$ for 16 gigs.

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Originally posted by RichieV made an edit above yes it is the later generation 8 core mac pro. The ram was not that expensive. About 700$ for 16 gigs.

700$ and I can build a PC that will last for the next 8 years, without needing to upgrade.

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Originally posted by cronodevir In 50 Years we still won't *need* 32 GB ram. Do you have a solid state drive and are calling it ram?

I don't know what to tell you. The Vienna Librairie is 400 gigs. The EW is about 300. It is not uncommon to have 20 gigs on a heavy project.

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Originally posted by cronodevir 700$ and I can build a PC that will last for the next 8 years, without needing to upgrade.

I think it is hard to understand because you aren't familiar with certain genres of music that , when done on a computer, require enormous amounts of ram. Again , you are right , i don't need it. I could just bounce but it is about workflow. Time is money . And 700$ is just not alot of money for all the time it saves.

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Originally posted by RichieV made an edit above yes it is the later generation 8 core mac pro. The ram was not that expensive. About 700$ for 16 gigs.

Very nice, well at least you seem to have use for it.

I would not mind having 8 GB myself but im on XP for the moment so. =P

Yeah RAM is cheap as hell nowadays, i remember a few years ago when i slashed out over 100 euro for a DDR 512 MB`er.

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