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I can appreciate a DJ that shows a personality, but I think Aoki goes over the top with his shenanigans. Crowd surfing at Vanguard??!! WTF? I think he over compensates with his antics for his obvious lack of mixing talent. To his credit, he must realize that and he's found his niche, and some people like it.

The opposite of him is a guy like Mark Farina, one of my personal favorites. No show, no jesus poses, no BS, just an amazing music talent. He brings it every time and its 100% about the music. You can close your eyes, dance, and get your money's worth each time.

oh they have quite the history too. i remember someone here on the boards posting about how aoki was up to his usual antics and he ended up spilling on farinas gear at some massive here in socal they played last year.

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Originally posted by Clovis Quite often it means the inverse

That's usually the case.

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Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal all good points and i see what your trying to say, but the DJ's you refer to are actually good DJ's. I'm all for an entertaining DJ (Eddie Halliwell), but at least make sure the DJ is a good DJ. Steve Aoki, well... lets just say i wouldn't download his music for my listening pleasures.

Yah, I havent downloaded anything Steve Aoki either, probably never will. Actually, I never heard much about Steve Aoki until the Vanguard stunts. I guess thats a testament to his music sucking, no one would spread his sets around. But since he is an entertaining DJ, he has a following. So what im saying here, and you probably already understand, if you have that great taste, and great DJn skills, why not add an entertaining show to your repetoire as well, to make your shows more interesting. It doesnt mean crowd surfing, but something unique and out of the normal line that DJ's walk on. Sven Vath, he does it through his crazy antics. Look at Villalobos with his paisely sways and hair flips, Carl Cox with his jacking, Armin Van Buuren with his cheerleading skills, David Guetta with his do it yourself MC pep talks. Zabiella got up fast because of his insane scratching and fx manipulation. Gotta give something for people to talk about, even if people are going to talk shit, who cares do something.

Because most DJ's are capable of the same things sound wise, the discrepency between talent has kinda been downsized due to mixing becoming easier, so now that everyone can mix, and everyone can program a similar set because of Beatport, you kinda have to evolve in ways that the crowd can visually see that you are different when they come to a show you are playing.

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Originally posted by bigperf oh they have quite the history too. i remember someone here on the boards posting about how aoki was up to his usual antics and he ended up spilling on farinas gear at some massive here in socal they played last year.

Love Fest.. Farina was pissed.

I donno.. if i dont like the music, the least he could do is mix it together correctly...

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Because most DJ's are capable of the same things sound wise, the discrepency between talent has kinda been downsized due to mixing becoming easier, so now that everyone can mix, and everyone can program a similar set because of Beatport, you kinda have to evolve in ways that the crowd can visually see that you are different when they come to a show you are playing.

exactly! if we were blind, why would you pay $100 to go to a tiesto show when you can see a local DJ and listen to just a good of a set.

oh and Paul van dyk and others had no problem playing stuff steve is known for such as LMFAO...i had posted a thread stating how often will "I'm in Miami Bitch" be played at WMC and a lot of people were quite negative(kinda like on this thread, likely the same people lol) and after listening to a lot of the mixes from WMC, it sure seemed like that track got MAJOR play.

I've never personally seen an aoki set, but everyone is always telling me about how good he is. I've seen videos of his sets and personally can't stand it, but to each his own. There's obviously an audience for his mashup rock/house/hip-hop style, so let the ****** do his thing and just don't go to his shows lol..

Who is "everyone?"

I've never heard ONE person who actually saw him and actually cared for the music he played come back and say he was good.

This is purely talking about him as a DJ. Not necessarily about exactly what tracks he plays. I can go to just about any club in SF that plays the same style he does and I bet 95% of those DJs are better than Aoki in every way. EVERY WAY.

Because of the family he is in, Aoki got good PR. And with good PR came this stupid stardom which he DOES NOT DESERVE as a DJ. Pure and simple. If he is just some everyday person out there, he would be nothing now and nothing more than a wannabe bedroom DJ....and then even with that, he'd probably give up because I bet he doesn't even give a rat's ass about the music itself, but more that he just wants to have all eyes on him....

He's like a male version of Paris Hilton...

I bet Paris likes Aoki.

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Originally posted by bigperf if steve aoki's next set was made up of armin van burens tracklist from his spundae party in SF , would he still get hated on? what if it was richie hawtins last playlist, or if he played ferry corstens track selection for his gig next month at vanguard? i think no matter what aoki does, all the haters will keep hating. i have seen a LOT of TA's at events for many "edm" dj's and these TA's arent dancing...i thought it was Electronic DANCE music for a reason. the people at coachella were dancing, and having a good time, whats wrong with that? As long as they were not being disrespectful or doing anything illegal, whats the problem? Aoki is a mashup dj, so not sure why we even bother to talk about him on TA...Scotty boy is a mash up dj and i saw him last thursday while celebrating my birthday in Santa barbara, he had a LOT of people dancing, but he wasn't playing techno/trance/minimal, he was playing rock/house/hip hop mashups, which is what the crowd came to see. oops maybe at godskitchen scotty boy plays a different style than the boogie SF/SD clubs and vegas pool parties I have seen him at. Doubt that he would open up for luke with rock mashups... if this is the case then it shows he is a versatile DJ which i think is a good thing! If he spins banda at quincea�eras then i'm voting him #1 DJ in America next year lol!

1. If Aoki came out and MIXED like them and with their charisma (and not being overly stupid), then I think people here would act surprised but be encouraging and hope he keeps it up. But the fact is, Aoki has never been nor ever will be as good of a "DJ" as any of them so this statement has no point. Because HE CAN'T MIX and probably knows zilch about harmony.

2.As a mashup DJ, I actually liked listening to Scotty Boy a little as he became known. I used to hear him on the radio up in SF all the time...he used to play every Friday at 9pm or something. then something happened and he just had all these mashup tracks that flat out didn't go to together and suddenly his mixes sounded like shit. I think things just got to a point where there weren't many more tracks that you could mashup well. It's interesting that after the noticeable crap that he started to play, he was soon off the air. That said, as a DJ, he is far far better than Aoki and that's why you don't see people hating on him as a DJ nearly as much.

and yeah, Scotty Boy can play more than just (vegas) mashups.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Fair enough, he does play shit music to you and myself. To his crowds he probably plays as good as music as any DJ that we think plays good music. A DJ's purpose is also to entertain though, and if he can do that through his physical actions, it's just an extra dynamic towards his performance. I'd be bored if I went to a show and all I got was some good music to be honest. I want to see the DJ's personality as much as I want to hear the music, I think they go hand in hand.

good music speaks for itself. shit music requires a lot of effort to mask, which is where your idea of entertainment comes in. i'm sure the crowd would be entertained if aoki paid a midget to fuck a whore on the decks while a dialup modem played over the speakers. he's still a shit dj.

OK, this topic now bores me...

Let's change the subject!

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Originally posted by bigperf oh they have quite the history too. i remember someone here on the boards posting about how aoki was up to his usual antics and he ended up spilling on farinas gear at some massive here in socal they played last year.

I was there and spoke to Farina.

Aoki and his crew rolled in like if they were running the place, they started swaping the tables and pushing mark around. Even Mark himself was going WTF? Because Aoki was going around with headphones on a chugging out of a Grey goose bottle. It even kind of made me mad on how they were like pushing Farina out, but he is a trooper and just rolled with the punches and just kept on going.

After they almost kicked Mark off stage i went and spoke to him, he was kind of pissed/bummed out the way they ran him off the stage. But he kind of just like blew it off and didn't make that big of a deal of it, he was pissed at Aoki and his crew but he just didn't care.

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Originally posted by DaveT I've never heard ONE person who actually saw him and actually cared for the music he played come back and say he was good.

the ucsb(he's an alum) college girls at tonic on thursday nights when he plays there LOVE aoki.
So do the rehab crew at the hard rock.

I havent conducted a survey or study, but i would venture to guess that not too many Ta's go to rehab in vegas for the music.

and there will be a group of people who have never set foot in an edm club, yet there you have aoki lovers and haters in the same place listening to the same music... wonder why

i can handle an aoki at an edm club(wouldnt pay to see him) or aoki at a pool party and i'll have fun either way.
so should you!

Looking forward to the next hard rock pool party
San Diego's is called intevention and was OFF the hook last sunday!

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Originally posted by bigperf or aoki at a pool party and i'll have fun either way. so should you!

I'll have fun however I want to, thank you very much.

We need some dj's to chime in here. There's a lot of talk here about the tracks. You obviously need a good track selection, but as it was said in this thread, we all pretty much go to the same places to get them. As a dj it's about the constuction of a set. The programming of the mixing and tracks to create an experience. Carisma is a great thing, but means nothing if you're music sucks. I wouldn't love someone like Zabs any less if he just stood there. And even someone like Glaude, at least has dj skills and a decent track selection. One of the things we pride ourself on in the EDM scene and especially on this board is having good taste in music and djs...although our opinions may vary. He's done something right to get to where he is...but it's not his musical talent. And his carisma...you can stick a cd in of badly mixed Justice and Boyz Noize remixes and have any drunken asshole in a sparkle shirt jump up and down on stage if you want to be entertained. Fact is anyone with taste would lose interest when the music selection jumps around while being mixed poorly. And the first time he played at Vanguard, he played no less than 4 Justice remixes. I mean come on man.

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Originally posted by Nerologic I was there and spoke to Farina. Aoki and his crew rolled in like if they were running the place, they started swaping the tables and pushing mark around. Even Mark himself was going WTF? Because Aoki was going around with headphones on a chugging out of a Grey goose bottle. It even kind of made me mad on how they were like pushing Farina out, but he is a trooper and just rolled with the punches and just kept on going. After they almost kicked Mark off stage i went and spoke to him, he was kind of pissed/bummed out the way they ran him off the stage. But he kind of just like blew it off and didn't make that big of a deal of it, he was pissed at Aoki and his crew but he just didn't care.

WOOWWW!!! that is FUCKED up! where the hell was this at?

the reason someone like Aoki is famous is because of guys like Farina.

WTF!!!

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Originally posted by DJ Reese You obviously need a good track selection, but as it was said in this thread, we all pretty much go to the same places to get them.

But what you and I or others choose to buy at beatport can and probably is radically different...

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Originally posted by Clovis But what you and I or others choose to buy at beatport can and probably is radically different...

not really. you both buy Venga Boys and Richard Humpty Vision remixes

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Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal not really. you both buy Venga Boys and Richard Humpty Vision remixes

zing!

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Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal not really. you both buy Venga Boys and Richard Humpty Vision remixes

Hey...Up and Down was a classic from my raver days

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Originally posted by Clovis But what you and I or others choose to buy at beatport can and probably is radically different...

Agreed. But there are those that just download the top 10 every week. Although I get pretty much all my stuff from trackitdown.com. Check it out if you haven't yet. Great site.

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Originally posted by DJ Reese Although I get pretty much all my stuff from trackitdown.com. Check it out if you haven't yet. Great site.

Really? All I get is a message that says "The domain trackitdown.com is for sale. To purchase, call BuyDomains.com at 781-839-7903 or 866-866-2700. Click here for more details."

and a bunch of links to crap sites. Unless I need to look further in to these crap sites, Is that what your talking about?

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Originally posted by bscarbro Really? All I get is a message that says "The domain trackitdown.com is for sale. To purchase, call BuyDomains.com at 781-839-7903 or 866-866-2700. Click here for more details." and a bunch of links to crap sites. Unless I need to look further in to these crap sites, Is that what your talking about?

www.trackitdown.net

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Originally posted by Clovis I'll have fun however I want to, thank you very much.

i wasnt talking to you

i doubt highly that some of you will be here lol

one thing no one has mentioned....its the club owners and promoters who are booking Steve...they wouldn't if they thought the crowd didn't like him.

I've never heard Steve for more than 5 or 10 minutes but i have caught DJ AM a couple of times and IMO he knows his dance music history. When you see AM at LAX on sundays, he always drops a lot of old school rave tracks in his sets.

Scotty Boy actually prefers to play house music sets but he's made his name in Vegas playing closer to open format - so that's what he's expected to play for most of his booking. last Sunday nite Scotty started off playing a mashup-type of set but as it got close to Felix's da Housecat's start time, he did fewer quick-mixes and went a bit more underground so as to be a good lead into Felix. He's also in the non-headphone group...i gotta play with Tracktor to figure out how these guys are doing it...i'm guessing they have the breaks memorized visually as to when to mix them in???

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