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Originally posted by qwerty My definition of cheese is stuff that embarasses me. Scooter = cheese A tune with lyrics might not be cheese but as soon as the lyrics start, then thats me, i go red with shame. RebeL9 has posted the perfect evidence of what makes me cringe. Its not a case of opinion, like i say if your into that kinda stuff then your a mug or a child. End of.

You're an idiot.

Come to Matthew Dear in NYC on Sat. Not too many lyrics there, and if there are you can hide in the corner while I pound your face in for saying "mug or child. end of."

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Originally posted by Meat187 Stupid question, a qwertz-keyboard of course! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTZ

+1

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Originally posted by Neo95gt You're an idiot. Come to Matthew Dear in NYC on Sat. Not too many lyrics there, and if there are you can hide in the corner while I pound your face in for saying "mug or child. end of."

I see you come under the child catagory. There truely is not enough bullets on earth to line your carcass with.

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Originally posted by qwerty I see you come under the child catagory. There truely is not enough bullets on earth to line your carcass with.

Heheheh. Nice comeback.


Personally, I think the worst thing to happen to Trance is Ian Van Dahl.



It's pentultimate carpet-douche-baggery. It's what radio stations tried to do to Trance - and they wound up fucking gutting it.

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Originally posted by qwerty I see you come under the child catagory. There truely is not enough bullets on earth to line your carcass with.

Hey you're the retard that made the 5255425th "what should I listen to thread". Maybe you should see for yourself and go to one of the billion parties up here. But judging by that post you should be listening to hip hop.

Go to Dear and look for the biggest dude there, I'll be sure to smack you in the mouth.

We had a few good years that we won't forget, those amazing songs and how they made us feel. Even today after so many years we can sit back put on one of those tracks and instantly teleport back to those memories whatever those may be. It is sad and many are in denial, but we won't even have those times back, and trying to hang on and still hope there is something to await us in the future is kind of painful. Maybe it has some use hanging or or maybe it hasn't, but the past will never be changed.

*raises glass*

Cheers. I'm gonna buy everybody a drink.

I would also like to thank people here at TA for awakening me from A State of Trance.

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Originally posted by Chimney We had a few good years that we won't forget, those amazing songs and how they made us feel. Even today after so many years we can sit back put on one of those tracks and instantly teleport back to those memories whatever those may be. It is sad and many are in denial, but we won't even have those times back, and trying to hang on and still hope there is something to await us in the future is kind of painful. Maybe it has some use hanging or or maybe it hasn't, but the past will never be changed.

I don't think trance is ever really going away. More to the point, I think it's very much something which is being integrated with everything else. With almost all of my tunes, save one or two, there are definite trance flavors if not outright thematic adaptations.

the thing i found is in these uncerten times of good trance tunes. start looking for a favorate producer or producers and trance djs.

ta has some good djs and may i recomend the likes of airbase,lolo aka airwae.rank 1 who in my book make some good tunes.

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Originally posted by Chimney We had a few good years that we won't forget, those amazing songs and how they made us feel. Even today after so many years we can sit back put on one of those tracks and instantly teleport back to those memories whatever those may be. It is sad and many are in denial, but we won't even have those times back, and trying to hang on and still hope there is something to await us in the future is kind of painful. Maybe it has some use hanging or or maybe it hasn't, but the past will never be changed. *raises glass* Cheers. I'm gonna buy everybody a drink. I would also like to thank people here at TA for awakening me from A State of Trance.

yes it will it's called a rebirth of trance

Oh great, another post on Trance Addict bashing Trance.
It's not even constructive criticism anymore. It's the same guys who have moved on to other genres who bash Trance.
So all your favorite Techno producers always produce good stuff? Cuz of lot of their stuff sounds redundant, boring, and uncreative.

All of your House producers always make top notch shit? Cuz what I've noticed with House music is someone releases a decent sound then everyone jumps on that bandwagon with the same vocals, or the same melodies, same BPMs, etc. Tribal, Tech House, Electro, Tektonik, etc. all come to mind.
Then you've got all those Diva House records that sound like an updated version of the Weather Girls. You ever wonder why some gay guys like to say things like "Honey, you are not goin out like that". It's b/c they love listening to 300 pound black divas that talk like that in their songs. Sorry, I know it's not politically correct.
All of your Psy-Trance producers make amazing music? Cuz half the Psy Trance tracks I've heard all start out exactly the same for the first 3 minutes, and half the time those songs either go nowhere, or or use the same exact beat.
And Progressive producers? Half the time you're wondering if you're gonna fall asleep midway through these semi-mellow tracks, or why they even bother calling it Progressive if there's nothing progressive about them.

Trance Producers? Take all of the above criticism and it may hold true for Trance at times, but you know what? As someone whose been listening to Trance and House for a very long time what I like about Trance is that you can always find some good melodies/hooks around, it can always give you that feel-good high energy sound, you can usually find some decent vocals that fit in with many of these tracks (without vocalists who sound sedated), and the production quality is high and consistent.
That's why Trance is still around, and still hooking new listeners everyday.

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Originally posted by CHRles Trance Producers? Take all of the above criticism and it may hold true for Trance at times, but you know what? As someone whose been listening to Trance and House for a very long time what I like about Trance is that you can always find some good melodies/hooks around, it can always give you that feel-good high energy sound, you can usually find some decent vocals that fit in with many of these tracks (without vocalists who sound sedated), and the production quality is high and consistent. That's why Trance is still around, and still hooking new listeners everyday.

That was the biggest load of bullshit I've heard here in a good while. Do you even believe it yourself?
I would say that the majority of the people that gets hooked on trance have either heard some half assed Cascada tune and thinks it trance. And then they get hooked to some random MoS TRANCE ANTHEM #235 and find it kickass. I hardly believe its because of the "high and consistent production quality."

Well, if you used to love "Tiesto - Traffic" I really don't see what's your problem with today's trance records.

Cascada is not Trance, it's Euro-Dance.
And yeah, Trance producers, when compared with other types of Electronic producers, usually do a better job of being consistent.
Laugh all you want at Armin and Tiesto, but their albums and releases are better then most of the stuff coming out from your typical Psy Trance or Techno producers. Whether it's their vocal efforts, as cheesy as some may be, or instrumental Trance anthems.
Same as true for guys like Cosmic Gate, Lange, Airbase, and countless others.

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Originally posted by CHRles Cascada is not Trance, it's Euro-Dance. And yeah, Trance producers, when compared with other types of Electronic producers, usually do a better job of being consistent. Laugh all you want at Armin and Tiesto, but their albums and releases are better then most of the stuff coming out from your typical Psy Trance or Techno producers. Whether it's their vocal efforts, as cheesy as some may be, or instrumental Trance anthems. Same as true for guys like Cosmic Gate, Lange, Airbase, and countless others.

I never said that Cascada is trance. I said that the people you refer to that gets "hooked to trance" are mainly people who have heard the latest Cascada on radio and think they are listening to trance. And the step from that to this is not very big. And I suppose you are refering to this garbage when you say that Armin is doing a better job in being consistent?

Well, I mean he's consistent when compared to both super cheesy Euro-Dance (if we're talking about his vocal tracks), and when compared to other genres of EDM if we're talking about the actual Trance records he makes.
I know you're a huge fan of Psy Trance, and I like some of it too. You were also once a fan of good Progressive Trance from back in the day. Feel free to give me some examples of producers whose music you enjoy.
That applies to anyone else on here who wishes to do the same. Give me some examples of House, Techno, Drum N Bass, or Progressive artists you enjoy.

I feel that for too long many of you have been holding Trance producers under a microscope, analyzing every component of every track they release, but not being as judgemental with other genres.

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Originally posted by CHRles Well, I mean he's consistent when compared to both super cheesy Euro-Dance (if we're talking about his vocal tracks), and when compared to other genres of EDM if we're talking about the actual Trance records he makes. I know you're a huge fan of Psy Trance, and I like some of it too. You were also once a fan of good Progressive Trance from back in the day. Feel free to give me some examples of producers whose music you enjoy. That applies to anyone else on here who wishes to do the same. Give me some examples of House, Techno, Drum N Bass, or Progressive artists you enjoy. I feel that for too long many of you have been holding Trance producers under a microscope, analyzing every component of every track they release, but not being as judgemental with other genres.

let me get this clear:

1. I was not a fan good progressive trance. I AM still a fan of progressive trance. In fact I prefer progressive trance to psytrance.

2. I am not a fan of the current trend of electro house etc. In fact I despise it as much as I despise cheesy trance ala Armin & Tiesto.

3. Some good producers: Union Jack, Blue Planet Corporation, The Digital Blonde, Art of Trance, Vibrasphere, Human Blue, Nicholas Bennison, Chris Cowie (the old stuff from Hook Rec), Man With No Name... just to name a few.

oh btw. what actual trance records have Armin made recently?

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Originally posted by RebeL9 2. I am not a fan of the current trend of electro house etc. In fact I despise it as much as I despise cheesy trance ala Armin & Tiesto.

LOL, current?

Armin made a decent one with not too long ago with "Imagine"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGC-rhzXg70

Before I get into over-analyzing the artists Rebel mentioned I'll give a couple of Trance records I like from the past year or two
There's the likes of Leon Bolier with "Ocean Drive Boulevard"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ces...feature=related

Or Myon & Shane 54 Feat. Carrie Skipper "Vampire". Gareth Emery did a good job on the remix front:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmysOQ5gzYg


Rebel mentioned some really good producers (as expected) though many of them havent released anything in years.

I have Union Jack's first album, and still enjoy listening to it. Also have most of the Art of Trance releases. Here's some highlights for those among you who are unfamiliar with these pioneers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfTb...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-JWzAGyths
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTFs...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFQmfB0plWc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz79...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swb3...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3uP...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRL-...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDaF...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cZEDLwId1k

A lot of Chris Cowie's records, especially the "newer" ones were not that interesting. For example, this Driving Trance that builds but doesnt really go anywhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHTSHrf1XI0

This one's very atmospheric, and is pretty typical of a lot of the music coming out of the Progrsssive camp in 2001. Fairly boring and by the numbers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hms2...feature=related

His older stuff, as you mentioned, was better. The sound was richer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLsdqvTS5AI

Blue Planet Corporation were great in the way they incorporated Dream Dance with elements of Psy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYtw6j1AHUw

Some of their other tracks were very reminiscent of many other Psy Trance tracks out at the time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKRQSLd-rJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROI1...feature=related

Not sure I have anything bad to say about Digital Blonde either, especially since they released one of my alltime favorite Trance tracks, "Legato"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPcO...feature=related

They knew how create a lot of those bigger then life Trance anthems:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KCRN-zapU0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4FFFJB5EEM

I wasn't too impressed by "Mooga"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqOPLq37wGU

Or with their collaboration with John 00 Fleming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhAN...feature=related

Though I did enjoy them remixing a John 00 Fleming track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyK2...feature=related

While Digital Blonde have always been big with Jogn 00 Fleming, many of us know Man With No Name due to the huge support from Paul Oakenfold back in the day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFgaEJbtv3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQaV...feature=related

It's always fun to find those early Trance records, like this one. The type of samples you hear on this one later became a staple for many of the Psy-Trance records of the 90s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDp4...feature=related

And yet, there was definitely a good deal of redundancy after you heard a couple of Man WithNo Name records. Too many of those same squelching acidic sounds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPr8...feature=related

Not sure I understand the appeal with some of Vibrasphere's records, like "Floating Tree" or "Newport". It's pretty much Atmospheric Trance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqrfDNHnevU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaYX...feature=related

Though "Isolation" is a pretty cool track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OWi...feature=related

Love it though when prudcers of their likes make Ambient music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6xP...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0xM...feature=related

Oftentimes I'm not a fan of the act Atmos, but they did a good job remixing Vibrasphere's "Morning Breeze"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmA...feature=related

There's also nothing that really grabs you about many of Nicholas Benison's productions. It's like they sound promising, but just Christopher Lawrence you feel that something's missing, or the production is unfinished:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uac63cHpzzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y3wVtHCP0M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpzTIyREpw

I do like Benison's "Spririt Chamber", but even that one is just okay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUhZqH4XlxQ

Why do people get all butthurt whene somebody speaks there mind on this subject?? I mean this is a free country!!! listen to what you want to listen to!! for me i like EPIC,UPLIFTING,EUPHORIC Trance.

But if other people dont like this sound then thats fine!!! nobody will force u to hear it.And if people listen Armin and such then that is there perogative as well.

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Originally posted by clubamerica Why do people get all butthurt whene somebody speaks there mind on this subject??

Music is a reflection of self and some people take themselves too seriously.

Someone let me know if anyone is making tracks like this monster AVB remix of Moogwai-Viola in 2000. What a MASSIVE lead synth at the 4:40 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFgcBEK3z8

But good trance is still getting made I do believe. What about astralis - solar flare?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEGrm452xO4

Blank & Jones - California Sunset!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6a0d_QiiWM

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Originally posted by CHRles Armin made a decent one with not too long ago with "Imagine" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGC-rhzXg70

surely he must have made a better tune in the last couple of years than that? That cheesy guitar part is like

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Originally posted by RebeL9 surely he must have made a better tune in the last couple of years than that? That cheesy guitar part is like

yeah he did in and out of love

Re: So what happened to trance then?

when? be more exact

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Originally posted by Meat187 Stupid question, a qwertz-keyboard of course! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTZ

shit. oh wait, u made that wiki. lol
kezboard?

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