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My friends just left for Cancun lol They couldn't cancel as they forgot to purchase insurance... suck to be them!

I'd say postpone it too!!

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t090426.html

Well, if you're flying Air Transat, your decision has been made for you.

Story

All flights on this airline cancelled until June 1.

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Originally posted by Orko That is a terrible way to live. How often do 'experts' get it wrong? Heads should role in both cases, wasting money, and not doing their job. If we followed this logic, we would end with...wait...our government! Oh god, the nightmares have come true. Yes, experts have their place, and we should have faith in them, but they should also be held to some sort of performance goals. Systems cannot be run with the 'just in case' mentality.

The influenza pandemic in the late 30's killed millions. Bet that started off pretty small too.

I understand that the MEDIA blows things out of proportion, but the people at WHO and the disease control centres should absolutely err on the side of caution. It is not the WHO's fault that the media is bored of sensationlizing the recession and is grabbing on to this story more than necessary.

2000 people are already infected in Mexico...not large relative to the population but if you trace the number of people that have come in contact with those 2000 and so on, it can get really big, really fast.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit The immune system overreacts to defend itself against the virus which proves to be lethal

This swine flu is definitely not a particularly lethal strain. Yes, a few people have died, but regular flu kills people too. It's only the avian flu that's been unusually fatal.

That's not to say that people shouldn't take precautions anyway, but honestly, if people stopped being idiots and took the same basic precautions they are supposed to take every day - wash hands, cough into a tissue or sleeve, don't rub your eyes all the time - then none of this would even be necessary. People are disgusting and unsanitary, that's the problem.

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Originally posted by ostrich I'd postpone your trip. A friend had some bookings in Mexico this past weekend, the clubs wound up canceling the events.

fuck no way, i'd still go. You have more chance getting killed by an angry mexican midget that you forgot to tip than getting the flu.

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis My friends just left for Cancun lol They couldn't cancel as they forgot to purchase insurance... suck to be them! I'd say postpone it too!!

I don't know if i'd even go. I'd rather lose the money on the trip, than get sick and hospitalized in Mexico. My health is far more important than a few hundred dollars and a good story.

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Originally posted by italarmo I don't know if i'd even go. I'd rather lose the money on the trip, than get sick and hospitalized in Mexico. My health is far more important than a few hundred dollars and a good story.

Slight over reaction to a somewhat nothing virus.

If you wouldn't go on this trip then why would you ever leave your house. You are more likely to catch a virus just as fatal as this leaving your house and going to work every day.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Slight over reaction to a somewhat nothing virus. If you wouldn't go on this trip then why would you ever leave your house. You are more likely to catch a virus just as fatal as this leaving your house and going to work every day.

Why would transat cancel all of their flights and eat all of those costs if there was nothing going on?

I work in the public health dept of region of waterloo and whenever a "potential" pandemic arises, we get hit hard with media requests, numerous phone calls from worried citizens, then the head MOH dr has to "prepare" for a dinky strain of swine flu...

Listeriosis outbreak was retarded too

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Originally posted by Skipper Why would transat cancel all of their flights and eat all of those costs if there was nothing going on?

another typical over reaction.....most likely they are concerned about possible liability issues if someone who has the flu gets on their plane and infects someone else. In their minds, they are better off eating the costs of shutting down then to pay out a potential class action suit.

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Originally posted by Skipper Why would transat cancel all of their flights and eat all of those costs if there was nothing going on?

Simple over reaction. You are using appeal to authority as your arguments, rather than maybe presenting some facts as to why you think it is so dangerous.

For the SARS scare, the WHO declared Canada as a dangerous destination to travel to, due to the high probability of being infected. What happened? How many deaths, and confirmed cases were there? What happened to our travel industry?

There were 43 deaths attributed to SARS in an 8 month period (source). Annually it is estimated that more than 500 people die each year in Canada due to the regular flu (source).

Put those numbers in perspective.

What about walkerton? Water borne, but generally ignored by public officials until it was way too late.

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Originally posted by Skipper What about walkerton? Water borne, but generally ignored by public officials until it was way too late.

Are you kidding me? The Walkerton tragedy took place because fuck wads did not adhere to our own laws on how to clean the water. And that was e coli, not influenza.

The people ignoring the problem were the people supposed to be cleaning the water. If somebody in a hospital here noticed somebody sick, and didn't treat them, then sent them home, then there would some kind of logical link between the two situations. The swine flu will be contained if health staff, and people just do what is right, and in their manual, not by pressing the panic button.

Edit: you may want to read up on walkerton about the systemic failures in that town. http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/walkerton/part1/

pfft swine flu. avian bird flu was awesome.
mexicans cant do anything right.

I'm starting to wear a mask on the subway.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker I'm starting to wear a mask on the subway.

wear this one

I'm going to be honest, as a transit driver, I'm quite concerned about this. It can spread fast. And Diginut is right, ppl are disgusting, the dont cover their mouths when they cough, and I'm willing to bet they don't wash all to often.

I don't know what MT's policy is on facemasks is, but if this continues to spread, I will consider it. I already carry hand sanitizer with me.

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Originally posted by Irishaddict

haha i'm sorry but that's so cute. yeh i said it.

Hundreds infected in NYC schools

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Originally posted by Orko The people ignoring the problem were the people supposed to be cleaning the water. If somebody in a hospital here noticed somebody sick, and didn't treat them, then sent them home, then there would some kind of logical link between the two situations. The swine flu will be contained if health staff, and people just do what is right, and in their manual, not by pressing the panic button. Edit: you may want to read up on walkerton about the systemic failures in that town. http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov....alkerton/part1/

I am quite familiar with walkerton, I actually did a day long case study IN walkerton on the whole crisis last year... but thanks for the link anyways

I realize the parallels are not identical. I'm simply talking about ignoring a problem that seems irrelevant at first that ends up being huge. If the public were not made aware of this, in other words, if health officials knew people were getting this when they were travelling to Mexico and neglected to inform anyone about it because they didn't want to "overreact", and then there was a massive outbreak, I bet you wouldn't be on their side then.

There is absolutely no harm in being cautious when you're talking about a global flu virus. Have you ACTUALLY been PERSONALLY affected by any of this?

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Originally posted by chinamon pfft swine flu. avian bird flu was awesome. mexicans cant do anything right.

tru dat. They should've just packed all the infected pigs and feed them to the chinamen... they'll eat anything.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker I'm starting to wear a mask on the subway.

I feel the same way, particularly on the Spadina streetcar. Anyone who's taken that at 4-7pm knows what I'm talking about.

Next pandemic no show... Panda flu... you heard it here first!

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Originally posted by Orko That is a terrible way to live. How often do 'experts' get it wrong? Heads should role in both cases, wasting money, and not doing their job. If we followed this logic, we would end with...wait...our government! Oh god, the nightmares have come true. Yes, experts have their place, and we should have faith in them, but they should also be held to some sort of performance goals. Systems cannot be run with the 'just in case' mentality. Remember that in cases like this, a lot of the information does not even come from experts that we pay (government officials/scientists), it comes from the media, who are paid to comment, and not protect. All I am saying is that you should actively question the information that you are given.

I'm not saying that we should put 100% of our faith in "experts" without questioning them...but they are "experts" for a reason and dismissing this as nothing is kind of naive.

let's put it this way...who's in a better position to do a risk assessment of this situation...
health experts or the people posting in this thread

of course we should always question information. but to dismiss it out of some sense of perceived knowledge or because what's happened in the past with other illnesses/threats proved to be blown out of proportion is foolish. do we wait until something kills thousands before we take it seriously?

that is a terrible way to live too...

now all these travel advisories...banning of pork imports in other countries...that's perhaps a wee bit over-the-top

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