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Originally posted by Theresa Do you have the statistical info on the people who have died from this? I personally can't find information on the people who actually died from this flu other than one baby, and there isn't even any information about the health condition of the baby to begin with. Are you just assuming they are healthy people? Source please? In order to be convinced, I need cold hard evidence. Otherwise, I am not on board with the hype. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/index.htm

You have to assume the cause of death was swine flu. That's the intention of the doctors: to identify the virus. Of course they would mention any other medical condition if it were a factor, not just in this case but in all cases presented.

What do you need to be convinced of exactly? Do you actually need for someone to come here and say they have a relative who already died from this so you can feel some sympathy or do you just want to exchange sources for the sake of pretending to be smart?

As someone else already mentioned, all available data can be accessed in WHO, also in credible newspapers, CDC, etc.

In any case, if you're just looking for someone to convince you so you can jump on "board with the hype," you're just wasting your time, or as a I wrote earlier, you're just seeking some attention pretending to be smart.

same

boring

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Originally posted by nchs09 Today i started feeling the flu simptoms :/

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Originally posted by astroboy Every time the flu comes around it's a unique new strain (or mutation). That alone would not be enough to alarm anyone. The main difference with this strain is that normally flu kills the very old or the very young, or people with pre-existing conditions (such as AIDS) or severely undernourished people with little access to medicine in the developing world. Deaths of healthy people in the developed world from flu are extremely rare. This particular strain seems to be killing some young healthy affluent individuals... Which is not good since influenza (unlike most fatal diseases) is spread very easily. cor version - "Swine flu: more deadly than your average flu"

I have found nothing to support this claim. The only death thus far in the U.S. was an infant, which is normal as their immune systems aren't very strong.

As for the other deaths, all have been within Mexico where the quality of health care, and the living conditions are below that of many other countries, especially Canada and the U.S. It is not surprising that they are dying.

Additionally, there have been no details given surrounding the ages, health conditions etc. of those that have died, so we cannot just assume that these are regular healthy people who received proper medical attention.

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Originally posted by sensorium You have to assume the cause of death was swine flu. That's the intention of the doctors: to identify the virus. Of course they would mention any other medical condition if it were a factor, not just in this case but in all cases presented. What do you need to be convinced of exactly? Do you actually need for someone to come here and say they have a relative who already died from this so you can feel some sympathy or do you just want to exchange sources for the sake of pretending to be smart? As someone else already mentioned, all available data can be accessed in WHO, also in credible newspapers, CDC, etc. In any case, if you're just looking for someone to convince you so you can jump on "board with the hype," you're just wasting your time, or as a I wrote earlier, you're just seeking some attention pretending to be smart.

Sure the ultimate cause of death may have been Swine Flu, but if they have pre-existing conditions that depress their immune system or are just simply too young or old to fight it off, it's kind of irrelevant. It's the same as any other flu strain.

I certainly don't want to hear that someones family member has died from it, and I certainly am not wanting to feel sympathy. I am genuinely curious as to why people are freaking out over this when it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. LOL @ "sake of pretending to be smart".

WHO has nothing yet regarding the flu, and CDC references the Swine Flu in similar fashion as regular flu.

Anyway, even medical professionals are agreeing that it isn't a big deal:

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Swine flu is believed to have killed more than 150 people in Mexico. On Wednesday morning, the U.S. confirmed the death of a 23-month-old boy from swine flu -- the first swine flu death outside of Mexico. However, the child was from Mexico, and it is believed he contacted the swine flu there. Low said that's because the disease is much more widespread in Mexico than in other countries. However, he said the ratio of people in Mexico who have recovered from swine flu is much higher than the number of those who have died from it. He said only the very sick are being identified in Mexico as having the disease, making the outbreak appear more severe than it really is. In actual fact, Low said, the death-rate is very similar to that of seasonal influenza. "When you infect one million, two million, three million people with seasonal influenza, some of those individuals are going to be at greater risk of having a bad outcome, and they die as a result of that," Low said.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/ab..._warning_090429

I don't know about you, but as for myself, I trust the intelligence and experience of an infection disease specialist over a journalist trying to write a compelling article, laced in fearful propaganda, in hopes that it will receive an abundance of reads from the fools who cannot think for themselves and get suckered into the hysteria.

I could be totally wrong and we're all going to die, which is why I am open to discussion and would seriously appreciate replies and sources to prove such.

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Originally posted by astroboy This particular strain seems to be killing some young healthy affluent individuals... Which is not good since influenza (unlike most fatal diseases) is spread very easily.

Curiously the very same factor that made the Spanish Flu so deadly...

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN in today's news: highschool dropout signals end to swine flu hysteria.

and I love how bird flu is getting no love, jeez wtf. All they talk about is swine this swine that. Where's the respect for birds!

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Originally posted by Theresa I don't know about you, but as for myself, I trust the intelligence and experience of an infection disease specialist over a journalist trying to write a compelling article, laced in fearful propaganda, in hopes that it will receive an abundance of reads from the fools who cannot think for themselves and get suckered into the hysteria.

THANK YOU

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Originally posted by Theresa Sure the ultimate cause of death may have been Swine Flu, but if they have pre-existing conditions that depress their immune system or are just simply too young or old to fight it off, it's kind of irrelevant. It's the same as any other flu strain.

That's what I meant when I said if it were a factor it would have been noted by the doctors. None so far.

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WHO has nothing yet regarding the flu, and CDC references the Swine Flu in similar fashion as regular flu. Anyway, even medical professionals are agreeing that it isn't a big deal: http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/ab..._warning_090429

WHO has nothing regarding the flu and yet they raised the level again today? Something is obviously wrong here.

The professionals you're referring to don't say it isn't that big of a deal, they're saying the death-rate is very similar. Oh, and it's actually just one professional you're talking about, right? As for the death-rate I would say it's too early to compare this flu with others. Many tests are still in process.

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I don't know about you, but as for myself, I trust the intelligence and experience of an infection disease specialist over a journalist trying to write a compelling article, laced in fearful propaganda, in hopes that it will receive an abundance of reads from the fools who cannot think for themselves and get suckered into the hysteria. I could be totally wrong and we're all going to die, which is why I am open to discussion and would seriously appreciate replies and sources to prove such.

The point is the new virus is spreading and nations want to stop that. It is not about journalists trying to harvest hysteria in the public, is about national leaders, advised by experts on health matters, trying to stop the disease.

I have some sources but all are in Spanish, I'll try looking for some in English after I get back from class.

I wouldn't go to the extreme saying we're all going to die because of this. Mexico will try to normalize public life next week. Schools will re-open as well as businesses. It seems to me that the "hype" is coming from other countries, like Argentina banning flying to Mexico.

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Originally posted by Theresa In order to be convinced, I need cold hard evidence. Otherwise, I am not on board with the hype. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/index.htm

You might also want to google "cytokine storm." The reason it kills the healthy is because the bodies of healthy people release too many cytokines.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker You might also want to google "cytokine storm." The reason it kills the healthy is because the bodies of healthy people release too many cytokines.

oh, and the gay storm too - don't forget about that

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Originally posted by tubularbills oh, and the gay storm too - don't forget about that

my point is that 4000 canadians die every year from various flu strains.

but since this one has an evil name it's just exploded into this big fuck fest of idiot news casts and idiots wearing face masks to 'protect' themselves.

seriously it's just a fucking flu. Yah it's extra dirty cause it's from mexico, but i mean. fuck.

100 + people died, IN MEXICO where their health care system is a shit hole to begin with.

7 people in ontario have it so far, and they've all been released from hospital cause they're fine. it's a slow news week, and most of you are fucking morons.

frenchie: you're an ugly bitch.

Frenchie, I would do you all over the house!

http://www.doihavepigflu.com

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Frenchie, I would do you all over the house!

i'd do frenchie while watching house

if you ignore it it will go away

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Originally posted by narcism i'd do frenchie while watching house

i wouldn't do frenchie whilst listening to house though, nobody is worth that!!

Main difference with flu pandemics is that:

a) It's a totally new strain that's crossed the animal/human barrier as opposed to an existing human virus that has mutated within the human population (and to which some portion of the population will already have been naturally immunized) as is the case with seasonal flu epidemics. For this reason no one has immunity to it yet and it spreads a lot faster than your average flus.

b) Seems to be killing young healthy people.. this is rare regardless of the quality of healthcare system.

It isn't the media making shit up its the WHO and the CDC and it's analogous agencies around the world.. Chances are everything will be fine but flu pandemics are fairly rare and can potentially turn into a big deal, so they have to take precautions. The Spanish flu pandemic had a case mortality of 5% (maybe more) and killed 50-100 million worldwide over a couple of years.

population control?

'bout time Darwin's theory kicked in for us again!

Hah, just got home after watching the celtics game and was printing stuff out to my sister and she was saying she'd been feeling shitty all night, so naturally i suggested swine flu in jest. Turns out just today there were two cases discovered about a mile from my apartment
That said, it's coming up on finals for all of us in college so if I do get infected, i'll charge maybe 50 bucks a pop if people want to get sneezed on so they can get it and hopefully get out of their finals..

I think we're all gonna have to be wearing masks soon, think asia....

please be careful, you never know.

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Originally posted by sensorium That's what I meant when I said if it were a factor it would have been noted by the doctors. None so far. WHO has nothing regarding the flu and yet they raised the level again today? Something is obviously wrong here. The professionals you're referring to don't say it isn't that big of a deal, they're saying the death-rate is very similar. Oh, and it's actually just one professional you're talking about, right? As for the death-rate I would say it's too early to compare this flu with others. Many tests are still in process. The point is the new virus is spreading and nations want to stop that. It is not about journalists trying to harvest hysteria in the public, is about national leaders, advised by experts on health matters, trying to stop the disease. I have some sources but all are in Spanish, I'll try looking for some in English after I get back from class. I wouldn't go to the extreme saying we're all going to die because of this. Mexico will try to normalize public life next week. Schools will re-open as well as businesses. It seems to me that the "hype" is coming from other countries, like Argentina banning flying to Mexico.

Gah, I don't even know where to begin with this.

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Originally posted by sensorium That's what I meant when I said if it were a factor it would have been noted by the doctors. None so far.

Nothing has been noted publicly... period. Unless you have access to records that the rest of us don't, I am pretty sure that there hasn't been any source to verify the ultimate cause of death among those dead by H1N1.

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Originally posted by sensorium WHO has nothing regarding the flu and yet they raised the level again today? Something is obviously wrong here.

At the time that I had posted, they had yet to update their site. Regardless, if you review their site now, they do not openly admit that this is a huge threat. They are simply taking precautionary measures because they don't know everything about the illness quite yet.

SOURCE

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Originally posted by sensorium The professionals you're referring to don't say it isn't that big of a deal, they're saying the death-rate is very similar. Oh, and it's actually just one professional you're talking about, right? As for the death-rate I would say it's too early to compare this flu with others. Many tests are still in process.

Did you read the entire article? The Doctor actually did say that this was being blown out of proportion. Unfortunately I don't have hours of time to sift through the thousands of sensationalized articles to find the very rare few that actually use some common sense and aren't attempting to scare everyone shitless. (Woot for run-on sentences!)

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Originally posted by sensorium The point is the new virus is spreading and nations want to stop that. It is not about journalists trying to harvest hysteria in the public, is about national leaders, advised by experts on health matters, trying to stop the disease. I have some sources but all are in Spanish, I'll try looking for some in English after I get back from class. I wouldn't go to the extreme saying we're all going to die because of this. Mexico will try to normalize public life next week. Schools will re-open as well as businesses. It seems to me that the "hype" is coming from other countries, like Argentina banning flying to Mexico.

Ok, maybe people are "wanting to stop the disease", but are you honestly telling me that you don't think news sources all over the world aren't capitalizing on the fear-mongering potential of this story? Many of the news articles are over dramatizing the situation, or misrepresenting the facts/numbers. It's all to get more reads and more hits because it's all about making money.

The "hype" is coming from the media, plain and simple. If it weren't for the insane coverage over this ridiculous thing, Egypt would not be killing pigs, and Argentina would not be banning flights to Mexico. People would have gone on with their daily lives being none the wiser.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker You might also want to google "cytokine storm." The reason it kills the healthy is because the bodies of healthy people release too many cytokines.

Do you have any source to back up the claim that this is killing healthy people who have gotten proper health care??

Kthxbye.

WHAT?! THEY OVER-EXAGGERATED THE NUMBERS?!?!

My favourite line, and actually discounts one of my previous points:

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of 159 files on suspected flu deaths, tests showed 58 died of other causes. He said 16 deaths are confirmed as caused by the H1N1 flu and 85 are being tested.

HOLY FUCK 16 DEATHS1?!?

WE'RE DOOMED!!

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Originally posted by Theresa Do you have any source to back up the claim that this is killing healthy people who have gotten proper health care?? Kthxbye.

1. Bird flu patients die from acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) caused by the cytokine storm, and not directly from the virus. Historic survival in ARDS is 60%-85%; with bird flu-associated ARDS it is 43%.

www.cytokinestorm.com

And I should have qualified that it is a theory, but one which is currently being evaluated with positive (meaning true) results, so far. But the bottom line is that you chose not to Google cytokine storm, as I recommended, and instead chose to make a very long and very unnecessary post. If you had Googled cytokine storm, you would have found the answer to your question instead of asking me to back up my assertion, which I had already supported by referring you to Google.

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