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Originally posted by cronodevir Yep, and in the next post, the answer is given.

That is not a solution. It just a bad workaround. And BTW turning off the "reset plugins on transport" does nothing to cure this problem. This is the same as using voxengo delay plugin to delay any channel in any DAW making it work with vst's that cause a delay. This doesn't mean it has delay compensation and is a P.I.T.A. to do this; just try adding delay to each other channel in the mixer every time you add a vst with latency. Not to mention the whole midi clock getting delayed as a result.. I did try working like this.
I actually used FLStudio since version 2.7. That was like 7 years a go. I defended it for years, worked in it and I still thing it's a great DAW with great features, but finally I realized it's simply aimed at beginners; not because it's incapable of making great tracks, but because the developers simply ignore the requests of more experienced producers who's studio consists of more than a midi keyboard and a PC. That's why you see many producers who used FLStudio eventually switching to programs like cubase, logic, sonar, etc..

In the end, everyone is free to use what they want, but calling hardware support and PDC the "Bullshit no one cares about" just shows ignorance on your part.

FL is fine as long as you use a whole lot of analog with it.

I honestly don't care about multicore support so much anymore since my cpu seems to work fine (though it would be a nice improvement). They need to fix up the auto pdc and hardware support for SHIZ. Annoys the fuck out of me.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Name one of these plug ins that supposedly causes a delay?

all the best ones.

waves lineq, vintagewarmer, off the top of my head..

Well, All I can say is don't use shitty obscure FX and you should be good. Why the FX would cause delay issues is curious, all I can say is wait untill that FX has the next version. Or don't use it.

Also, DXi, RTAS, VSTi formats work differently. So try to get the FX in another format. All of the Wave FS come in all 3 formats.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Well, All I can say is don't use shitty obscure FX and you should be good. Why the FX would cause delay issues is curious, all I can say is wait untill that FX has the next version. Or don't use it. Also, DXi, RTAS, VSTi formats work differently. So try to get the FX in another format. All of the Wave FS come in all 3 formats.

Yeah, Waves and SIR are really shitty obscure FX.

Jesus, can't you go one day without making a complete ass of yourself? Effects don't have delays because they're poorly-written, they have delays because they are non-causal (i.e. convolution). There's nothing you can do about this.

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Originally posted by echosystm ROFL.

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Well Adam Szabo and Deadmau5 uses it , and their stuff is professional standard , so I dont see why we cant get quality stuff out of fruity loops..

The only factor in whether or not you can make good music is the artists skill in doing so. If some people can make music by banging pipes and plastic bottles together, then a person can make music using FLStudio.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox / Cubases interface is also extremely boring, don't ask me why but when I open it up it looks more like something you do *WORK* on rather then something you have fun with. /

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Originally posted by cronodevir The only factor in whether or not you can make good music is the artists skill in doing so. If some people can make music by banging pipes and plastic bottles together, then a person can make music using FLStudio.

I don't think anyone here said that FL is not capable of making music. We are talking about it's pros and cons.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Well Adam Szabo and Deadmau5 uses it , and their stuff is professional standard , so I dont see why we cant get quality stuff out of fruity loops..

Deadmau5 is rumored to use a few different DAW's depending on what he wants to do including ableton, FL, reason, and cubase. And again, I don't think any of us here have said that FL cannot create anything music related, it's a music production program.

Also think about the name and look of the goddamn program. Fruity Loops... Who do you think they are marketing to when they decided on that name? And then take a look at the interface.

I'm not saying that looks and name matter but I just feel that the creators are marketing to beginners and wanted to create something that beginners could use and grow with. Not to mention this plugin delay problem which is a HUGE deal.

To me this debate is very similar to the Virtual DJ vs. Traktor debate.

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First and foremost, I launch FL with the beginning of each little idea I have in my head, whether it�s a fast melody, or a drum groove to start out with� I Use FL Studio for that because I have found that the piano roll is by far the FASTEST way to �plot� my melodies and rhythms down because although I have an ear for it, I couldn�t �play� a melody to save my life. So the base of the track is composed almost entirely in FL Studio, all my piano roll / midi data is stored in FL Studio. I export each element using FL�s mixer down to their individual tracks using the �export multiple tracks� option on. Each of these tracks are then coarsely dumped into each of their respective tracks� and I begin the actual �mixing� process. I mainly use Nuendo for compatibility of course with all the studios I operate in and around� because their either Protools / Logic / or Nuendo themselves� so I like to keep my stuff portable so that im not getting stuck in a Studio that might not have FL. Even when im in the Nuendo environment my FL usage doesn�t stop there.. I load it up as a VSTi and begin building additional content for my current project� like, little funky breaks, maybe a new synth line when need be, but its always running in the background and ready for me to switch over when I need to sequence up and render out a break or phrase that wasn�t rendered out the first time I did the big multichannel export. FL Studio has, and probably will remain the main ingredient to my workflow. It�s ease of use and fast results are what get the ideas down as fast as they come to my head, and that�s really important for me. In the beginning of any of my productions, quality isn�t at the forefront of my thoughts, its getting the ideas down, then refine. One thing I love about FL studio that even the current �top notch� applications I use DOESN�T HAVE, is the ability to rearrange your chain of effects on each mixer bus� I wanted to strangle nuendo a billion times for not having FL Studios �move down / move up� option in the chain� especially when im experimenting. Experimentation is 80% of how a deadmau5 track springs up from the ground. I don�t premeditate anything I do, you wont catch me humming along to some phrase when im walking home and itching to get on FL studio so I can draw it up� I just get in my little mental zone, and start blindly plotting away melodies with the 3xosc and a little effects here and there and see what I can come up with on the fly� and when it starts to work melodically for me, I build around it, and adding in other elements, like loading in NI�s Reaktor as a VSTI into FL Studio and mangling parameters. A lot can be said by a 3xosc with a dissonant melody and the right insert effect.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja

Was this aimed at me? I never said he doesn't use FL.

And crono stop being a bitch and causing flame wars. christ

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Originally posted by coroknight And crono stop being a bitch and causing flame wars. christ

Just ignore him.

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Originally posted by coroknight Was this aimed at me? I never said he doesn't use FL. And crono stop being a bitch and causing flame wars. christ

Yeah fuck you. In your last post you put my name to quotes I didn't even say. So why don't you stop the bullshit? You piece of crap nobody. :P

I'm going to say things how they are, if they cause a flame war, oh fucking well. Also, there is no "flame war" going on, so stop trying to insinuate that there is. A flame war is when two or more people type in all caps and randomly insult each other at every post with poorly written AOL speak [the kind of typing you do], and logical fallacies out the wang. That hasn't happened, so nobody knows what "flame war" you are talking about.

And just for fun I'm going to piss on you every time you post. Since you like to randomly attribute words to me I never said, then complain about me starting flames wars.

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Originally posted by coroknight I don't think anyone here said that FL is not capable of making music. We are talking about it's pros and cons. Deadmau5 is rumored to use a few different DAW's depending on what he wants to do including ableton, FL, reason, and cubase. And again, I don't think any of us here have said that FL cannot create anything music related, it's a music production program. Also think about the name and look of the goddamn program. Fruity Loops... Who do you think they are marketing to when they decided on that name? And then take a look at the interface. I'm not saying that looks and name matter but I just feel that the creators are marketing to beginners and wanted to create something that beginners could use and grow with. Not to mention this plugin delay problem which is a HUGE deal. To me this debate is very similar to the Virtual DJ vs. Traktor debate.

Personally , I think what you say is really true. Fruity Loops sounds kinda 'fruity'and beginner-ish.. And the interface seems to lack the 'professional' feel.

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Originally posted by 9Vibes Personally , I think what you say is really true. Fruity Loops sounds kinda 'fruity'and beginner-ish.. And the interface seems to lack the 'professional' feel.

There are a few points mentioned in this thread that i have never had a problem with , this plugin delay? i cant say ive ever experienced it. And for hardware compatibility , i have no comparison for ease but i can fully automate my SH 201's features direct from FL and just play the midi and record into the audio editer and then dump into the playlist.


And are we talking about people who use FL native stuff as newbies and unprofessional sounding?

Or does a vsti , like say vanguard, sound different on a different DAW?

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Originally posted by adi_hanson There are a few points mentioned in this thread that i have never had a problem with , this plugin delay? i cant say ive ever experienced it. And for hardware compatibility , i have no comparison for ease but i can fully automate my SH 201's features direct from FL and just play the midi and record into the audio editer and then dump into the playlist. And are we talking about people who use FL native stuff as newbies and unprofessional sounding? Or does a vsti , like say vanguard, sound different on a different DAW?

We are talking about the name and look of the program. I haven't tested it but I don't think VST's sound all that different on FL versus another DAW.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja

So I WAS right in my speculation in another thread, his mixes are originally summed through FL mixer, and then I'm guessing through an analogue console once mixing is done.

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Originally posted by adi_hanson Or does a vsti , like say vanguard, sound different on a different DAW?

Exactly!! Like as if z3ta would sound different on FL

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