what it takes to produce... do i have the hard part down already?

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Posted by mfitterer1 on May-08-2009 02:54:

Posted by DJ Robby Rox on May-08-2009 03:35:

quote:
Originally posted by mfitterer1
It sounds like a good amount of the frustrated people here just lack confidence. If you think you've wasted your time/are wasting your time, you will never make anything worth shit, it's all in your head people. This music is so fucking simple, use your ears! Stop doing and start listening more.

Uh reality check, "simple?" for what? A piece of shit track?
Yes I agree.

For something that sounds professional, not at all simple.

Posted by Kismet7 on May-08-2009 04:38:

quote:
Originally posted by mfitterer1
It sounds like a good amount of the frustrated people here just lack confidence. If you think you've wasted your time/are wasting your time, you will never make anything worth shit, it's all in your head people. This music is so fucking simple,use your ears! Stop doing and start listening more.

I'm glad it is the opposite of what you think it is.

Posted by DigiNut on May-08-2009 04:40:

quote:
Originally posted by mfitterer1
It sounds like a good amount of the frustrated people here just lack confidence.

Confidence isn't a substitute for ability.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on May-08-2009 04:44:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Honestly if I had to do it all over again, I don't think I would.

Didn't someone recently post that he had uninstalled all his DAWs and softsynths and stopped producing? I thought I saw that in some thread...

Posted by mysticalninja on May-08-2009 04:44:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Confidence isn't a substitute for ability.

that should be a bumper sticker. or a t-shirt.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on May-08-2009 04:50:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Didn't someone recently post that he had uninstalled all his DAWs and softsynths and stopped producing? I thought I saw that in some thread...

Found it:

quote:
Originally posted by Wendell Frost
Chucked out my midi keyboard, uninstalled my 5-6 years worth of aquired software and deleted all my 150GB software backups. Free at last.

I entered the game too late (~ 2002) so was always going for the sounds of the past rather than moving with the sounds of the future.

I can't know how newcomers to the scene feel about todays trance, maybe it's amazing to them.

I can't be bothered moaning about the state of today's trance.

I've been trying my hardest to like some other fourtothefloor styles, but really they are just bleeps and farts with spaceships and a kickdrum.

I'm moving on... have fun!!

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ree#post9664322

Posted by Kismet7 on May-08-2009 05:02:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Found it:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ree#post9664322

The epitome of what no one here should follow. There is a lot of enjoyment to be had just making music, even if it does not end up for sale. I don't know where my free time could have spent better than working on a piece of music. Being late to making music isn't a reason to give up making music.

Posted by mfitterer1 on May-08-2009 06:10:

I didn't say producing trance was easy. But the music itself is extremely simple. How can you even attempt to disagree with that?

Jesus I mean you guys really must not enjoy doing this shit. I spend upwards of 12 hours a day dj'ing or producing. I'm not a star by any means nor was I trying to infer that, but I am better then a great deal of the people on this site just for the fact I love the music, am a perfectionist, and have the drive to be the best.

Who the fuck wastes their life because they've put time and money into something? If you don't enjoy learning about it and doing it, then gtfo. It's a simple concept, you do what makes you happy, and thats how you become great. If you do things for different reasons then that, whatever they may be, you will never amount to shit because your work will have no emotion and no passion in it.

Read the book the secret

/thread

Posted by mfitterer1 on May-08-2009 06:11:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Confidence isn't a substitute for ability.

True, but you can't get by having one without the other. For real.

Posted by mfitterer1 on May-08-2009 06:13:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Uh reality check, "simple?" for what? A piece of shit track?
Yes I agree.

For something that sounds professional, not at all simple.

You are the one who needs a reality check. Stop making music to reinforce your belief you are worth something and make it from your heart. Who the fuck cares who else likes your music, make what you like and people will follow. Be a leader not a follower.

Posted by Subtle on May-08-2009 10:26:

quote:
Originally posted by mfitterer1
You are the one who needs a reality check. Stop making music to reinforce your belief you are worth something and make it from your heart. Who the fuck cares who else likes your music, make what you like and people will follow. Be a leader not a follower.
YeaH

Posted by Reno on May-08-2009 13:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Wendell Frost
Chucked out my midi keyboard, uninstalled my 5-6 years worth of aquired software and deleted all my 150GB software backups. Free at last.

I entered the game too late (~ 2002) so was always going for the sounds of the past rather than moving with the sounds of the future.

I can't know how newcomers to the scene feel about todays trance, maybe it's amazing to them.

I can't be bothered moaning about the state of today's trance.

I've been trying my hardest to like some other fourtothefloor styles, but really they are just bleeps and farts with spaceships and a kickdrum.

I'm moving on... have fun!!

Thats just hillarious!! That's exactly how my dj carreer came to an end!!

Posted by DigiNut on May-08-2009 21:43:

quote:
Originally posted by mfitterer1
True, but you can't get by having one without the other. For real.

People who are competent will develop confidence naturally. However, for every one person who has both qualities, there are usually ten who have only the latter. This is true in almost any skilled endeavour.

Posted by EddieZilker on May-08-2009 22:20:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
People who are competent will develop confidence naturally. However, for every one person who has both qualities, there are usually ten who have only the latter. This is true in almost any skilled endeavour.

And, whatever you do, avoid the latter like the plague.

I've found that the best musicians (Guitarists, DJ's, Pianists, Producers, et al) never, ever brag about how good they are, but that the very worst always talk about how wonderful they are and/or (usually) will be.

Posted by cronodevir on May-09-2009 03:18:

Mozart would laugh his ass off upon hearing people say his music is complex.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on May-09-2009 03:21:

quote:
Originally posted by cronodevir
Mozart would laugh his ass off upon hearing people say his music is complex.

Maybe, but he'd probably die laughing if someone tried comparing his music to the musical content of a typical trance song.

You can talk about intricacy of engineering. There's certainly a point to be made there. But in terms of musical elements the comparison is simply ridiculous.

Posted by SGL on May-09-2009 05:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Quadra
Thats exactly what I have said many many times over....but the thing is we keep on trucking. To think how many sleepless nights I've had, thinking that I was about to make the next big thing...then it turned out to be junk.

I wont give up now because I have spent too much time and a lot of money...and I know a lot of shit about audio that is pretty much worthless unless I keep producing. The thing is a lot of us on here can talk the shit but still can't get far enough in a track to even finish it. I also still like doing it but I'm not sure I want to produce trance anymore...I have no clue what I want to do anymore...anyway to answer the original posters question...

Don't be put off by all our sour attitudes because we still didn't make it. The thing i believe in is, that music still needs to be made and someone has to make it...so it might just be you.

Like I said before, try it out and see if you like it.

Steve Quadra, I like your attitude. That refusal to give up and the hope is like music to me. I've come across very few people in this world, who in spite of not being able to make it yet after sleepless nights, the obsession for their passion is so strong. You're just like me. I sacrificed so many things in life just to learn to make music and synthesis, all the technical aspects.

For me, i have an attachment to this kind of music because, 5-6 years ago, I went through hardships in my life that lasted till now. The hardship is still there, but my pain threshold increased so i just don't feel it anymore. But, this music rescued my mind from insanity and something about it just kept me strong. So I can never give up on EDM, because I owe something back to it. I would be listening to old tracks from the mid 90s 24/7 just to feel that spiritual enlightenment. There was so much emotion in the music unlike today's spaceship bleepety bloop stuff you hear just like you said.

I could go on and on about how so many aspects of my life has changed due to EDM, but I don't want to bore you guys with an essay. But ya, I also have a tremendous obession with this music.

Posted by Beatflux on May-09-2009 08:26:

quote:
Originally posted by mfitterer1

Read the book the secret

/thread

The Chaser's War on Everything - The Secret

Posted by DigiNut on May-09-2009 15:39:

quote:
Originally posted by cronodevir
Mozart would laugh his ass off upon hearing people say his music is complex.

Mozart had to work extremely hard and go through a lot of shit to be the success that he was. Simply because he was a prodigy does not mean he coasted through. Once again you reveal your ignorance in a lame attempt to put other people down so you can feel better about yourself.

Posted by BshidoHEAT on May-09-2009 16:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Quadra
The thing i believe in is, that music still needs to be made and someone has to make it...so it might just be you.

I like this quote. Heck I like that whole post.

Posted by coroknight on May-09-2009 16:28:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Mozart had to work extremely hard and go through a lot of shit to be the success that he was. Simply because he was a prodigy does not mean he coasted through. Once again you reveal your ignorance in a lame attempt to put other people down so you can feel better about yourself.

+1

Also why would Mozart produce inferior music on purpose? So you gotta think he tried hard to make the best music he could.

Also just because your a prodigy doesn't mean you don't have to learn shit. It just means you learn faster. Sometimes a shitload faster

Posted by Zak McKracken on May-09-2009 16:39:

mostly when it comes to mozart his father was a prick

Posted by cronodevir on May-09-2009 18:35:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Mozart had to work extremely hard and go through a lot of shit to be the success that he was. Simply because he was a prodigy does not mean he coasted through. Once again you reveal your ignorance in a lame attempt to put other people down so you can feel better about yourself.

Yeah and you have no fucking idea why I said that and in what context. What a fucking dumbass.

You though I was trying to insult Mozart. You saw an insult, where an insult was not located.

You fail. I don't have the time or the will to explain to people below me what I meant. Read the whole thread, specifically 2 pages back. Maby that will give you insight to why I said it.

Posted by derail on May-09-2009 23:58:

On the topic of Mozart, the book "talent is overrated" is an interesting read. It, amongst other things, looks at some "child prodigies" such as Mozart and Tiger Woods. They both had fathers who started working them hard from the age of 2 or 3. Mozart's dad was one of the most influential music teachers of that time, apparently his textbook was used widely in music curriculum for around 60 years.

The book argues that Mozart didn't create a truly original, brilliant work until the age of 15 or 16, at which point he'd been working extremely hard at his art for 10 years. His earlier works (according to the book) were arrangements of works of other composers.

I can imagine, if someone said to him that one of his works was "complex", he'd have some appreciation of what the person was saying, since it takes an incredible amount of work to become one of the best.

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