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Posted by nefardec on May-14-2009 23:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Rose
True, but you'd have to be an idiot to believe anything Satan says

isn't that what the bible says is the origin of human nature?

Posted by winston on May-14-2009 23:50:

why, nefardec?

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on May-14-2009 23:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
I would favor it if I had substantial confidence in the accuracy of the results of criminal trials. Alas, the conclusion of a gaggle of random idiots picked off the street does not inspire such confidence. Imagine that.

at least there's someone in here with fucking sense. i mean honestly, the self-righteous nonsense from capital punishment advocates just reminds me how fucking stupid people are thus why capital punishment should be outlawed.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on May-14-2009 23:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
kill her. no use for people like that in society. i'd rather my tax dollars go towards educating & housing foster kids or something i dunno...

it is more expensive in the US to execute people than it is to keep them in maximum security for the term of their natural life.

Posted by Damerchi on May-15-2009 00:02:

monkey flyin snakes on the plane!
I support an eye for an eye
raping rapists, stealin from the theives, etc.

ps Slylee-what tax dollars?

Posted by astroboy on May-15-2009 00:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
I would favor it if I had substantial confidence in the accuracy of the results of criminal trials. Alas, the conclusion of a gaggle of random idiots picked off the street does not inspire such confidence. Imagine that.

Agreed. Though I wouldn't limit my argument to jury trials (which are increasingly rare in common law jurisdictions outside of the US).

Even if I was certain that a 100% of guilty verdicts were handed down responsibly and beyond reasonable doubt - which they simply aren't.. that still leaves too much of an error margin. If one innocent person is put to death by the state it is too high a price to pay.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on May-15-2009 00:05:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Damerchi
ps Slylee-what tax dollars?

Posted by astroboy on May-15-2009 00:10:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
at least there's someone in here with fucking sense. i mean honestly, the self-righteous nonsense from capital punishment advocates just reminds me how fucking stupid people are thus why capital punishment should be outlawed.

Indeed if you argue for long enough with an advocate of capital punishment, regardless of how seemingly cold and logical his supporting arguments may be, the truth usually comes out.. it's just an outlet for the basest human tendencies - A desire to see retribution handed down.. It's like come on we're not in the dark ages any more.. the state should attempt to represent societies most noble aspirations rather than it's most primitive urges.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on May-15-2009 00:12:

quote:
Originally posted by astroboy
Indeed if you argue for long enough with an advocate of capital punishment, regardless of how seemingly cold and logical his supporting arguments may be, the truth usually comes out.. it's just an outlet for the basest human tendencies - A desire to see retribution handed down.. It's like come on we're not in the dark ages any more.. the state should attempt to represent societies most noble aspirations rather than it's most primitive urges.

brave and gentle and wise

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on May-15-2009 00:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Rose
True, but you'd have to be an idiot to believe anything Satan says

That assumes that you know it's Satan, though. He could be wearing a clever disguise.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on May-15-2009 00:17:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
He could be wearing a clever disguise.

like a papal hat for instance.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on May-15-2009 00:18:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
like a papal hat for instance.

LOL, yes, as some Protestants might argue.

Posted by Vivid Boy on May-15-2009 00:21:

W_ashely you were definitely born in bizzaro world.

Posted by bas on May-15-2009 00:21:

Re: Re: Death Penalty

quote:
Originally posted by ********
I fully support a safe death penalty. I think it should only be used under the following conditions.

1. The persons stated wish to receive the death penalty was preregistered. (Everyone should have a living will on file)
They should also currently agree to receive the death penalty.
They should be able to receive it for any crime at their request.
The person should have a day of "announcement" where they may present their last words, at a public forum. And these last words will be recorded and kept in public registry.

The death penalty should only be imposed on those willing or those who are at the moment in the act of creating a danger to the lives of society, eg. self defence.

They shuold be given a mechanism to kill themselves, and they should have the option to donate their body to science. and the form of their burrial, from a set of options.

That aside I know the justice system lies periodically, and people can be framed, so I don't trust absolutely anything that comes out of a trial, it is all fabricated after the fact. That is why I feel the justice system should be results based, as an attempt to resolve public crisis and dissatisfaction, it should not be an inquest to make someone at fault, it should only address discovery of a means to heal the problems that people are expressing and are warranted.

Dude...c'mon...

Posted by Vivid Boy on May-15-2009 00:22:

also 1 day at disney world before you die

Posted by Vivid Boy on May-15-2009 00:29:

btw ******** talking about premeditated suicide, when are you going on your boat trip?

Posted by elFreak on May-15-2009 00:33:

i am for it, but only in the us. Here our black people behave better.

Posted by Vivid Boy on May-15-2009 00:34:

thats only because they dont know we closed the underground railroad when we met our black quota of 2%

Posted by elFreak on May-15-2009 00:39:

the cold makes the ones with the afro picks scared to get ashy skin

Posted by boris_the_bear on May-15-2009 06:11:

Posted by Brian Scott on May-15-2009 16:33:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
it is more expensive in the US to execute people than it is to keep them in maximum security for the term of their natural life.

Support for this statement?

If we're gonna keep our worst criminals in prison for life-long sentences, can't we use them for human testing of pharmaceuticals? It would help the FDA push through those drugs that are truly beneficial and keep them from approving those with serious side effects, ie Ephedra and Vioxx.

Posted by Sunsnail on May-15-2009 17:04:

Posted by Slylee on May-15-2009 17:21:

Posted by elFreak on May-15-2009 17:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
What the fuck is wrong with you?

the ironic part about this is that i think he is Jewish.

Posted by Joss Weatherby on May-15-2009 17:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Scott
Support for this statement?

If we're gonna keep our worst criminals in prison for life-long sentences, can't we use them for human testing of pharmaceuticals? It would help the FDA push through those drugs that are truly beneficial and keep them from approving those with serious side effects, ie Ephedra and Vioxx.

http://www.uvm.edu/~vlrs/doc/deathpenalty.htm or google "Cost of death penalty appeals process" and you will find lots of supporting arguments that life internment is a lot cheaper.

You know, you'd get a lot of flack too from the people that volunteer to test pharm drugs... people do make a living off that you know...

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
the ironic part about this is that i think he is Jewish.

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