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Crazy update:

BOMB THREAT ON AIR FRANCE FLIGHT THE DAY IT TOOK OFF!

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cach...us&client=opera

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Originally posted by The17sss Crazy update: BOMB THREAT ON AIR FRANCE FLIGHT THE DAY IT TOOK OFF! http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cach...us&client=opera

I, for one, always get my credible news from 74.125.155.132

One of the best news sites out there, IMO

They've found BOTH the data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder.

Absolutely stoked. Cannot wait to find out what went wrong, although I wonder if they (the French authorities) will release the audio recordings.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ They've found BOTH the data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. Absolutely stoked. Cannot wait to find out what went wrong, although I wonder if they (the French authorities) will release the audio recordings.

From the analysis they've been able to conduct already, they believe that nozzles, used to direct air-flow to a device that measures air-speed, froze solid when the plane entered a massive storm bank. Unable to determine how fast they were going, pilot confusion led to a series of errors that resulted in the plane stalling. There are actually procedures for avoiding the stall in such conditions but the pilots may not have ascertained the severity of the problem in time to fix it. It should be interesting to find out if that is the case or what it actually was.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker From the analysis they've been able to conduct already, they believe that nozzles, used to direct air-flow to a device that measures air-speed, froze solid when the plane entered a massive storm bank. Unable to determine how fast they were going, pilot confusion led to a series of errors that resulted in the plane stalling. There are actually procedures for avoiding the stall in such conditions but the pilots may not have ascertained the severity of the problem in time to fix it. It should be interesting to find out if that is the case or what it actually was.

Indeed, but the strange thing is that in the late 80s or early 90s there was a series of problems with the speed sensors freezing on planes so protocols were put in place so that even if it did happen, it should not have caused a crash. Sadly, I think a series of pilot errors are going to be the ultimate factor.

My bother in law was actually booked on that flight, but he cancelled a week before

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Originally posted by EddieZilker From the analysis they've been able to conduct already, they believe that nozzles, used to direct air-flow to a device that measures air-speed, froze solid when the plane entered a massive storm bank. Unable to determine how fast they were going, pilot confusion led to a series of errors that resulted in the plane stalling. There are actually procedures for avoiding the stall in such conditions but the pilots may not have ascertained the severity of the problem in time to fix it. It should be interesting to find out if that is the case or what it actually was.

I've practically followed this case every month for the past 2 years. Fascinated with it for some reason.

What you said is right, but they reckon even with all those things going wrong, it shouldn't have made the plane stall.

If they do release the audio clips, it'd be haunting to hear what they screamed.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN My bother in law was actually booked on that flight, but he cancelled a week before

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ I've practically followed this case every month for the past 2 years. Fascinated with it for some reason. What you said is right, but they reckon even with all those things going wrong, it shouldn't have made the plane stall. If they do release the audio clips, it'd be haunting to hear what they screamed.

Wouldn't the freezing of the air speed indicator just result in the air speed being unknown...surely that wouldn't cause it to crash while cruising...on landing, sure, but not at cruising altitude.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_

I know - He actually does that route quite often. Quite sobering.

TBH, airfrance has quite a shitty record in recent years. I can't actually think of any other 1st world national airlines with as many tragedies in recent years.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker From the analysis they've been able to conduct already, they believe that nozzles, used to direct air-flow to a device that measures air-speed, froze solid when the plane entered a massive storm bank. Unable to determine how fast they were going, pilot confusion led to a series of errors that resulted in the plane stalling. There are actually procedures for avoiding the stall in such conditions but the pilots may not have ascertained the severity of the problem in time to fix it. It should be interesting to find out if that is the case or what it actually was.

Sounds similar to the Turkish Airlines 737-800-flight TK1951 crash near Schiphol in 2009 although then it was a malfunctioning altimeter which caused one error after the other. Indeed interesting to find out what happened here.

http://www.airsafe.com/plane-crash/...1-amsterdam.htm

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Originally posted by DJ RANN TBH, airfrance has quite a shitty record in recent years. I can't actually think of any other 1st world national airlines with as many tragedies in recent years.

They're French. They don't crash, they just go on strike mid-flight.

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Originally posted by Lira They're French. They don't crash, they just go on strike mid-flight.

also: pitot tube.

Wee!

So I have little to no knowledge about jet propulsion/aviation etc., but if this plane was cruising at 35,000 feet, wouldn't they have time to restart the engines before crashing? I mean when you skydive from 15,000 feet you're in freefall for over 60 seconds before you even pull the parachute.

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Originally posted by Jackson Wouldn't the freezing of the air speed indicator just result in the air speed being unknown...surely that wouldn't cause it to crash while cruising...on landing, sure, but not at cruising altitude.

FYI guys, it's called a pitot tube...

I'm not sure that one tube freezing would be a problem since most airliners have several of them. One for each seat and a standby..

It'll be great to find out what actually happened to that flight...

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Originally posted by srussell0018 So I have little to no knowledge about jet propulsion/aviation etc., but if this plane was cruising at 35,000 feet, wouldn't they have time to restart the engines before crashing? I mean when you skydive from 15,000 feet you're in freefall for over 60 seconds before you even pull the parachute.

How do you know it was the engines??

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Originally posted by VDub How do you know it was the engines??

I'm assuming a plane nose diving into the ocean is a result of the engines failing.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 I'm assuming a plane nose diving into the ocean is a result of the engines failing.

No man. That would be the last reason for that plane to go down that way...

If it was the engines, the pilot would have glided down and done a water landing as well as declare an emergency on the radio...

I think what happened to this flight is that the plane got hit bad by lightning. That would explain the no emergency call...

Either that or it had a catastrophic structural failure and the plane just broke up into pieces...

I'm wondering if the flight recorder will even provide any info at all...

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Originally posted by VDub No man. That would be the last reason for that plane to go down that way... If it was the engines, the pilot would have glided down and done a water landing...

Can a roughly 500,000lb plane really glide down safely with no power?

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Can a roughly 500,000lb plane really glide down safely with no power?

Easily...

Remember Sully and the Hudson landing??

If you lose both engines, a little generator with a propellor drops down supplying power the plane and hydraulics...

Source?

And wasn't the Hudson incident a much smaller plane that was crashing from a relatively low height? The air is pretty thin at 35,000 feet.

Lol...

Look it up Rusty...

The Internet is a wonderful thing...

Teaching the principles of flight is a little much for a msg board...

Meh, I'll take your word for it, I don't feel like looking it up. Also, a small propellor/generator coming down from the bottom of a plane upon multiple engine failure isn't exactly the "principles of flight"

Part of me still thinks you made that up though...

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Meh, I'll take your word for it, I don't feel like looking it up. Also, a small propellor/generator coming down from the bottom of a plane upon multiple engine failure isn't exactly the "principles of flight" Part of me still thinks you made that up though...

Principles of flight explain how a plane glides at any altitude...

The generator is called a Ram Air Turbine...

My fiancée is asking me if they're going to retrieve the bodies. Any word on that?

(Yes, I know I could do some research but someone's bound to know the answer already )

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