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Originally posted by mysticalninja ah your memory decieves you i believe. what was called "FX Channels" in FL back in the day were seperate from the Send channels. the fx channels were just like what you had to route a sound to in order to put insert fx on it.

Well, I used FL for all of about a week when cubase was pissing me off once. It was fine and very fast to get lops going etc, but I just didn't like the whole pattern based thing and it seemed so basic - my brain prefers the straight forward linear sequencing in logic combined with studio like routing. It just makes sense like being in a real studio. Also, limited to 64 tracks? WTF?



I don't know why, FL just looks like a toy. The buttons, the knobs, the fake LCDs, - I know it's just aesthetics and they don't matter but logic and cubase just feel so much nicer to me.

Do you need more than 64 tracks? I think that's a LOT. Ive never even used more than 10.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Do you need more than 64 tracks? I think that's a LOT. Ive never even used more than 10.

rarely, but have I've got close to 80-90 before. The current track I'm working on is 30 odd and still got a few more elements to add.

Some of the studio projects I've worked on (PTHD) go in to the hundereds - one in particular needed 6 fully maxed out PTHD rigs and a bunch of grouping to get it to fit those. Track count got to above 500......

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Originally posted by cronodevir Do you need more than 64 tracks?

Yes.

A typical software-only track might be:
- 12 instruments
- 8 drum chains
- 5 effects (audio)
- 3 edits (stutters etc. - audio)
- 2 scratch edits (temporary)
- 8 intermediate groups
- 2 loopbacks
- 4 FX tracks (sends)
- 4 final groups

That's only 48, but if you start adding hardware effects, you could easily end up using another 20-30 tracks made up of output routing groups and inputs.

I'm also not counting the extra tracks that a lot of instruments create that you don't really need. Sometimes you can't configure it. The Virus Powercore forces 4 tracks, I think Absynth used to force 3, many samplers insist on using at least 4, and so on. Even if they're technically doing nothing, they still eat away at resources.

So yeah, it's possible to go above 64 tracks with software alone, and very very easy to do once you start adding hardware.

kontakt and battery insist on at least 8, unless you can disable those somehow.

Can't think of anything else that has already been said but try some parallel compression and play around with the different verbs you've already tried and see if that does the trick.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Yes. A typical software-only track might be: - 12 instruments - 8 drum chains - 5 effects (audio) - 3 edits (stutters etc. - audio) - 2 scratch edits (temporary) - 8 intermediate groups - 2 loopbacks - 4 FX tracks (sends) - 4 final groups That's only 48, but if you start adding hardware effects, you could easily end up using another 20-30 tracks made up of output routing groups and inputs. I'm also not counting the extra tracks that a lot of instruments create that you don't really need. Sometimes you can't configure it. The Virus Powercore forces 4 tracks, I think Absynth used to force 3, many samplers insist on using at least 4, and so on. Even if they're technically doing nothing, they still eat away at resources. So yeah, it's possible to go above 64 tracks with software alone, and very very easy to do once you start adding hardware.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja kontakt and battery insist on at least 8, unless you can disable those somehow.

I think we are talking about different things. Every synth Ive ever used has only used 1 Insert. Battery 3 uses one insert. FL Is limited to 64 Inserts. What are "Tracks"? My understanding in this case is track = song. But apparently I missed something. Would track correspond to say how many instances of z3ta I can run? Or how many generators you have? If that is the case, fl doesn't have a limit. I can check.

Edit: Well I have 378 channels and counting. That is 378 instances of 3osc. I will probably never need more or even half of this, but I imagine I can go to 999..or maby more :O

"Track" is a channel that's routed either to another channel for processing or to the master channel. The term "track" is a carryover from the old multitrack tape recording, where the "track" number referred to how many different channels of audio you could record at once -- "eight track recording," "sixty-four track recording," and so on. The point of multitracking was that it allowed bands to re-record or edit individual parts rather than doing the whole song over and over again.

Also, In battery 3. How do you send different parts of the kit to different FX Inserts in FL's Mixer?

Also fuck, Battery 3 can't be automated in FL

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Originally posted by cronodevir Also, In battery 3. How do you send different parts of the kit to different FX Inserts in FL's Mixer?

You don't afaik. one VSTi into one mixer track.

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Originally posted by Knowland You don't afaik. one VSTi into one mixer track.

Yeah, This isn't going to work. I don't know of any other drum machine. I suppose I could use FPC, but that only has 12 pads.

Or use multiple instances of Battery 3

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Nevermind, I don't even need a drum machine, I can load in say 10 samples from my kit, add a layer channel, set the 10 channels as the children to the layer, the click [split channels] in the layer settings, now each sample is on its own key. Drum Machine.

s/channels/tracks

Man just use Battery with multiple outputs! once u do that youll never look back...

Well, I can't Automate Battery 3 in FL Dunno why, Battery 2 would automate fine iirc and its a VSTi not DXi, DXi can't be automated anyways. Which is a bigger problem than before. I can still use all the samples however. And I can use battery for making dnb, as I rarely if ever automate individual samples when I do DnB.

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Originally posted by cronodevir I think we are talking about different things. Every synth Ive ever used has only used 1 Insert. Battery 3 uses one insert.

maybe FL doesn't support VSTis with multiple outputs?

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Originally posted by cronodevir I think we are talking about different things. Every synth Ive ever used has only used 1 Insert. Battery 3 uses one insert. FL Is limited to 64 Inserts. What are "Tracks"? My understanding in this case is track = song. But apparently I missed something. Would track correspond to say how many instances of z3ta I can run? Or how many generators you have? If that is the case, fl doesn't have a limit. I can check.

LOL, how can you talk so much trash about Cubase, Logic, and Ableton Live without even understanding the most basic concepts about how they work? Or really how sequencing in general works?

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Originally posted by DigiNut LOL, how can you talk so much trash about Cubase, Logic, and Ableton Live without even understanding the most basic concepts about how they work? Or really how sequencing in general works?

Same reason I know Ameircan cars are shit compared to Japanese, despite the fact that I hardly know about automobiles. Its in the reputation and what the people say. [and the fact that toyota is the 5th riches comapny in the world and the most successful auto company]

I know how it [sequencing] works, I didn't know [actually, you didn't know, your post was referring to something completely different than what we were talking about, but we will say it was me, for the sake of argument] a piece of terminology. There is a difference.

BTW, Where is this trash talking everyone seems to mention? Do you mean pointing out the flaws in other DAWs is trash talking? If that is the case, then sure, but be warned, your interpretation is wrong.

Fucking hell you are delusional

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Originally posted by Fledz Fucking hell you are delusional

Please, My Intelligence decimates this place.

Look at my Simplify This? thread...I post a very simple problem, but because I'm not asking "how to be like daedmau5" or some other nooby bullshit, No one is able to answer. Its a level 1 problem. And no one can answer. Its pitiful, At nearly any other music site the people would have been at such a level as to answer it. However here, you have a bunch of people delusional to such a point that they think they are something, despite the fact that the people on this site have about as much relevance and intelligence as your typical undecided voter who only wants to hear about terrorists and global warming. Progress cannot be made in such a state.

Oh good lord, I thought we'd actually make it four pages without this happening again.

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Originally posted by david.michael Oh good lord, I thought we'd actually make it four pages without this happening again.

You would rather us not talk about problems and just assume nothing is wrong with anyone?

Well I think the "trash" talking mentioned refers to previous threads and was the impression given when you were discussing the advantages of FL.

In fairness, what Diginut is getting at is that you are going to have trouble convincing people you know the subject matter (of sequencers) when you are questioning basic terminology such as (i.e. "track = song" or "every synth I've ever used only has one insert"). You wouldn't ask those things if you knew etc.

on topic, I think the specific problem to your question is that FL does not allow multiple outputs, which basically means a huge part of battery is unused.

One thing I'm confused about is that you're saying you can run an unlimited amount of softsynths but you only have 64 tracks max - mulitple softsynths on one track?

i don't know about battery but you can use multiple outputs with FL studio,just check the "enable multiple outputs" on the FL wrapper(battery channel)
and if battery allow that,you can move the knob you want to automate and go to the wrapper and click "create automation clip"
and btw you can use all mixer channels as send,buss,...

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Well I think the "trash" talking mentioned refers to previous threads and was the impression given when you were discussing the advantages of FL. In fairness, what Diginut is getting at is that you are going to have trouble convincing people you know the subject matter (of sequencers) when you are questioning basic terminology such as (i.e. "track = song" or "every synth I've ever used only has one insert"). You wouldn't ask those things if you knew etc. on topic, I think the specific problem to your question is that FL does not allow multiple outputs, which basically means a huge part of battery is unused. One thing I'm confused about is that you're saying you can run an unlimited amount of softsynths but you only have 64 tracks max - mulitple softsynths on one track?

I didn't ask about those things you mentioned. In my expriense, using software, we always refered to tracks as songs. Not as inserts. I never learned how to do things and use terminology "the hardware way" because its deprecated.

I looked in battery 3 and there is no options refering to "multiple outputs"

There are 64 inserts yes, and yes you can have as many channels as you want, so eventually you will have more synths than inserts.

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