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Originally posted by Djsketchbag And were do you work ?

I work for a forming company...

I build things...

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Originally posted by legendary_waz That is sorta based on the conversation I had with a friend in regards to how the people that make this world work are getting shafted in terms of pay, while those uneducated are pulling in ridiculous salaries.

I definitely believe that some of the people that I work with do not deserve the money that they get....

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Originally posted by El K Dee indeed....and since most of it is cash based, no taxes taken off too...

No way dude...

Fully taxed...

Direct deposit every week...

I consider my company pretty recession-proof, but even they are taking a bit of a beating lately. I think it's just temporary, there's been some political BS hurting operations.

I'm not too worried about my position. There's a never-ending pile of projects, and even if I do have to leave, there's loads of contract work out there for competent SW engineers and project managers.

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Originally posted by miketg23 And what makes you think that your job is more important or any harder than mine. Can you efficiently do any of the skilled trades. I have two, and managed in both (no jack of all here). Come down to my site, show my boss that you can make him as much money as I do, and I'm sure he'd be willing to give you the same money as me. You didn't want to get your hands dirty, but instead chose to get yourself an insignificant degree, and now you want to call me uneducated???

By uneducated I was meaning not having completed any sort of training to say the least. Skilled trades still involve training, maybe not a degree but something nonetheless. I have not seem you post earlier in this thread so back off on the singling out shit. Not sure what you do, but if its anything to do with building, construction or manufacturing then you have no right to badmouth engineers as your projects wouldn't exist without their designs....next time you use your cell phone think how INSIGNIFICANT those electrical engineers are

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Originally posted by DigiNut I consider my company pretty recession-proof, but even they are taking a bit of a beating lately. I think it's just temporary, there's been some political BS hurting operations. I'm not too worried about my position. There's a never-ending pile of projects, and even if I do have to leave, there's loads of contract work out there for competent SW engineers and project managers.

Ya I have noticed that..tons of software work out there, and well paying too...unfortunately my interests involve hardware design....makes me think I should switch teams

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Originally posted by legendary_waz By uneducated I was meaning not having completed any sort of training to say the least. Skilled trades still involve training, maybe not a degree but something nonetheless. I have not seem you post earlier in this thread so back off on the singling out shit. Not sure what you do, but if its anything to do with building, construction or manufacturing then you have no right to badmouth engineers as your projects wouldn't exist without their designs....next time you use your cell phone think how INSIGNIFICANT those electrical engineers are

Sorry to have come off a bit harsh but I have quite a few friends that went to university that are jealous of what I make. I now work as a steamfitter, and Canada is a supply and demand economy. Fortunately for me, there just aren't that many people willing and able to do my trade.

As for the topic of the thread. Construction is slower than it has been in several years. If people, including construction workers, think the site of cranes means all things are good, don't kid yourselves. These jobs have already received the required finances and will be completed, but several have been delayed or cancelled ie. trump towers, mars projects, and the one messing things up at yonge and bloor. Not one new permit has gone through the city for a new condo development this year, and if things don't pick up soon construction will see the recession's effects 18 to 24 months after most other people.

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Originally posted by The Ear hooker?

Even the hookers are suffering... and Im not talking about the strange rashes they are suffering from.

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Originally posted by 5hiftn6ears this weekend for sure...I'll only work in my toolbelt to make up for lost time lol

Perfect I always knew good things came to those who waited

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Originally posted by miketg23 Sorry to have come off a bit harsh but I have quite a few friends that went to university that are jealous of what I make. I now work as a steamfitter, and Canada is a supply and demand economy. Fortunately for me, there just aren't that many people willing and able to do my trade. As for the topic of the thread. Construction is slower than it has been in several years. If people, including construction workers, think the site of cranes means all things are good, don't kid yourselves. These jobs have already received the required finances and will be completed, but several have been delayed or cancelled ie. trump towers, mars projects, and the one messing things up at yonge and bloor. Not one new permit has gone through the city for a new condo development this year, and if things don't pick up soon construction will see the recession's effects 18 to 24 months after most other people.

Trump is in full swing homey...

And it's just 1 tower...

And according to my boss..........there are plenty of jobs starting up....

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Originally posted by VDub Trump is in full swing homey... And it's just 1 tower... And according to my boss..........there are plenty of jobs starting up....

18 york is gonan have 2 cranes. shangri la is 2 as well if i remember correctly.

and like vdub said trump is going full steam ahead. or are you one of those people who think they'll cap it at the parking garage? if you have some insider info, please do tell.

concerning 1 bloor, just waiting till june 15 for news.

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Originally posted by smuncky 18 york is gonan have 2 cranes. shangri la is 2 as well if i remember correctly. and like vdub said trump is going full steam ahead. or are you one of those people who think they'll cap it at the parking garage? if you have some insider info, please do tell. concerning 1 bloor, just waiting till june 15 for news.

We just put 2 cranes up at Yonge and Sheppard...

1 I think on Mt Pleasant somewhere...

My job is being pushed cause they want my crane up in August....

But I think I'm gonna stomp my feet for a west end gig...

Sick of this commuting crap...

When I talk to the owner, I'll ask about 1 Bloor...It's ours as well...

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Originally posted by miketg23 As for the topic of the thread. Construction is slower than it has been in several years. If people, including construction workers, think the site of cranes means all things are good, don't kid yourselves. These jobs have already received the required finances and will be completed, but several have been delayed or cancelled ie. trump towers, mars projects, and the one messing things up at yonge and bloor. Not one new permit has gone through the city for a new condo development this year, and if things don't pick up soon construction will see the recession's effects 18 to 24 months after most other people.

You're only talking about high rise construction...there's still commercial, institutional, residential, service work etc. And where there is a lull in people buying new, a lot of them have turned to renovating they're existing home...in turn picking up the slack of lost "new" construction. This has been one of my busiest years tbh.

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Originally posted by VDub We just put 2 cranes up at Yonge and Sheppard... 1 I think on Mt Pleasant somewhere... My job is being pushed cause they want my crane up in August.... But I think I'm gonna stomp my feet for a west end gig... Sick of this commuting crap... When I talk to the owner, I'll ask about 1 Bloor...It's ours as well...

sales are also starting for condos at don mills centre. total of 6 to go up, in phases of course.

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Originally posted by VDub We just put 2 cranes up at Yonge and Sheppard... 1 I think on Mt Pleasant somewhere... My job is being pushed cause they want my crane up in August.... But I think I'm gonna stomp my feet for a west end gig... Sick of this commuting crap... When I talk to the owner, I'll ask about 1 Bloor...It's ours as well...

i work at yonge and sheppard...we should like soooo totally hang out..

The Monroe Towers here in Mississauga and the Chicago and Onyx Condos are all in full swing. V-Dub I have always been very curious about your field of work. How does one start a carrer in crane operations??? Must be pretty amazing to have such amazing views of the city everydat from so many different locations.

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Originally posted by miketg23 You didn't want to get your hands dirty, but instead chose to get yourself an insignificant degree, and now you want to call me uneducated???

You're overreacting dude. I don't think he was talking about skilled trades in his original post. But seriously though, lol @ electrical engineering being an "insignificant degree". Are you joking?

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Originally posted by miketg23 Canada is a supply and demand economy.

lol, as opposed to what?

Anyway, I'll be entering the workforce with a seemingly recession-proof degree come January. Unemployment will continue to rise far past January, so I am still concerned. Even many of these so-called "recession-proof" professions do take a hit as the economy contracts.

We'll see what happens...

The place I worked for down here recently closed its doors one day after going bankrupt. The bank seized the property and cops showed up to escort us out. I won't go into details but the place was anything but recession proof. In fact, it relied so heavily on the economy that many of us were worried for a good amount of time beforehand. In retrospect, it was quite a display of ignorance on my part to not actively search out a different job while I was there. I just got too comfortable in my position, and now I am unemployed. I am considering a serious change of scenery. I would love to get outta the country and work somewhere else(Toronto would actually be one of my top choices), but I don't know the first thing about how to go about such a thing. In any case, some good might come out of my situation, as it looks like I now have the available free time to come up for the events surrounding Canaday Day........

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Originally posted by The Highroller You're overreacting dude. I don't think he was talking about skilled trades in his original post. But seriously though, lol @ electrical engineering being an "insignificant degree". Are you joking? lol, as opposed to what? Anyway, I'll be entering the workforce with a seemingly recession-proof degree come January. Unemployment will continue to rise far past January, so I am still concerned. Even many of these so-called "recession-proof" professions do take a hit as the economy contracts. We'll see what happens...

This sense of entitlement is common now. They speak as if they're the source of creativity and ingenuity. Sure they work hard, but with direction, instruction and coordination. The same could be said about any construction worker. The methods, techniques and technologies are pretty mature in these areas (low risk). BTW I am too a SKULE alumnus OT1.

Hindsight is always 20/20. The opposite could be true for them in that they could be obsolete (replaced by technology, machine or technique) and his friends in a thriving work environment. It is so small of them to criticize university graduates and thump their chests. If there was more standardization of the qualification, duplication and homogeneity (without organizations and unions/barriers to entry), they would be prone to wage declines. Then what? No chest thumping. It's unfortunate because the work is not unique and if allowed easily outsourced to lower bidders (with the same qualifications).

My industry is booming in this economy. I realize I am one of the lucky ones.

Although I firmly disagree Graham was hinting at any sort of sense of entitlement with his post, I definitely believe one exists with my generation. A university degree is fantastic and will elevate you above colleagues I completely agree, but success is cemented by hard work, hard hard hard work. I am so tired of new associates coming into my office like they own the place, only to leave 3 months later because they're not getting the silver spoon they thought they were entitled to. Humility and work ethic go a looooooooong way.

rant over

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Originally posted by Irishaddict My industry is booming in this economy. I realize I am one of the lucky ones. Although I firmly disagree Graham was hinting at any sort of sense of entitlement with his post, I definitely believe one exists with my generation. A university degree is fantastic and will elevate you above colleagues I completely agree, but success is cemented by hard work, hard hard hard work. I am so tired of new associates coming into my office like they own the place, only to leave 3 months later because they're not getting the silver spoon they thought they were entitled to. Humility and work ethic go a looooooooong way. rant over

+1 Thank you Laura. No matter what type of job you are doing, if you want to move up, you have to work your butt off. In any job I've had from highschool until now, it has never gone unnoticed, and I've always been pushed ahead of other people because of it.

Where's the option for recent graduates looking for their first professional job? lol

I got a decent job with great job security.

Actually, my position actually is needed more in times of recession...