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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery That's ridiculous - every difference in sound isn't a genre.

No, but that is where it starts. Whether a deviation in sound actually becomes a genre or not depends on whether the players of that deviation define themselves as such, and if the greater community accepts this definition (dubstep is a perfect example of this).

So far, this seems to be happening with skweee, it is just in the very early stages of the process. But hey, that didn't seem to stop the producers from acquiring a whole showcase for themselves at Sonar 2008.

Since it seems to be related to Dubstep how about making it into Skweee/Dubstep? That way DJs are still supposed to play whatever the typical Skweee sound is (I guess it sounds like the name, lol) but have some better known and established genre for orientation and when they can't find enough "pure Skweee" material.

this sounds fun and potentially very scary. let's have a go at it

genre: vocal supersaw mega trance... just kidding. tech house

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse this sounds fun and potentially very scary. let's have a go at it genre: vocal supersaw mega trance... just kidding. tech house

God, no, not another tech house set. Please, there was already one last time.

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Originally posted by ziptnf God, no, not another tech house set. Please, there was already one last time.

okay, electro house then

skweee is in no way related to dubstep. it's a whole different permutation, the only trait it shares with dubstep is the notion of halfstep with some of the tracks. it's actually more kin to late 80's/early 90's new jack swing, funk & electro. dubstep operates at 135-145bpm where as skweee operates at 95-115. dubstep centers around the massive subbass & basslines where as skweee focuses more on synths & 303's used before it was turned into the acidbox.

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse okay, electro house then

Is that your final choice then?

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Originally posted by montana skweee is in no way related to dubstep. it's a whole different permutation, the only trait it shares with dubstep is the notion of halfstep with some of the tracks. it's actually more kin to late 80's/early 90's new jack swing, funk & electro. dubstep operates at 135-145bpm where as skweee operates at 95-115. dubstep centers around the massive subbass & basslines where as skweee focuses more on synths & 303's used before it was turned into the acidbox.

I see. But you say that's it actually a known and differentiated genre and not just a weird name for a small sound variation that only 3 people worldwide have ever heard about?
Then I guess Skweee is in.

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Originally posted by Meat187 I see. But you say that's it actually a known and differentiated genre and not just a weird name for a small sound variation that only 3 people worldwide have ever heard about? Then I guess Skweee is in.

My only concern is that I think it would be hard for everyone else to acctually find a good enough number of skwee tunes. But I guess that would be part of the challenge.

As far as I know there are only 1-2 skwee-albums and not a whole lot of singles. I might be wrong ofc. The person who suggested skwee would have to confirm or unconfirm this obv.

it would be fun if it would be an option but i would not recommend it to be honest since it would require alot of thinking-out-of-the-box mixing and no offence, but for a minor challenge, i wouldn't think anyone could be too arsed to learn the ways.

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse okay, electro house then

That's even worse.

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Originally posted by montana it would be fun if it would be an option but i would not recommend it to be honest since it would require alot of thinking-out-of-the-box mixing and no offence, but for a minor challenge, i wouldn't think anyone could be too arsed to learn the ways.

So is anyone else down for ditching this genre? Seems like it's more trouble than it's worth, unless you get a lot of direction with regards to the artists and labels.

You can flame me all you want for stating this, but I think some of you have really sucked the fun out of this whole thing. It's at the point where I feel like putting a lot of these mixes together is more of a hassle than anything. Seriously. These picks are way too fucking specific. That's why I decided to pass this time. I was lucky to not get stuck with anything really bad the last two times, but I'm not gonna risk it this time around. Yea I could enter and get stuck with something shitty that I'll never have any hopes of coming up with a mix for and in the end just not submit an entry, as people have done in the past, but I don't swing that way.

A shame.

+1 on that. It has become a "try to come up with a more obscure genre than me" contest.

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Originally posted by woscar +1 on that. It has become a "try to come up with a more obscure genre than me" contest.

not really, its all in the name of trying to keep it interesting.. although i admit this skweee thing sounds a bit retarded. i had my very first suggestion turned down in the first competition [casiocore]

and my suggestion for this time was schranz.. im sure everyone will know what that is as it is not an unknown genre at all. that nu jazz, im a bit scared of, i have no idea what that is, and sounds like something i will never ever want to witness

in
techno

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Originally posted by Az in techno

I am afraid that genre suggestion is too general, sir

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Originally posted by Adam420 I am afraid that genre suggestion is too general, sir

Nobody can win this genre challenge this time

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] that nu jazz, im a bit scared of, i have no idea what that is, and sounds like something i will never ever want to witness

To help you get over the scare:

http://www.juno.co.uk/broken-beat/today/

It really is like funky house with breakbeats. And of course, jazzy.

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Originally posted by Meat187 Is that your final choice then?

actually, after further review i think i'm going to pull out because this next month is going to be pretty busy for me. plus i doubt my djing skills are up to the caliber of anyone else here and everyone is taking it super seriously

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] not really, its all in the name of trying to keep it interesting..

It already is interesting to begin with by getting to listen to people's take on a genre that they are not familiar/knowledgeable. You can still have a very interesting challenge by using genres like Techno, Trance, Deep House, Big Beat, Indie Dance/Nu Disco, Tech House, Minimal, Progressive House, and Dubstep. There's no need to get idiotic with genres like Casiocore, Skweee, or even Happy Hardcore. It's supposed to be fun for the person making the mix too since it's a learning experience, not torture.

I only participated in the first one, and I did learn something. I had "Electro-Tech Trance", and I learned to appreciate the way the guys that play it, mix it. It certainly is different to mix than the Deep/Tech House that I play. Much more stuff going on that can fuck up your mix. However, I found that it's much easier to program. What the hell would I have been able to learn from Casiocore? Not only is it horrendous, it's completely irrelevant.

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Originally posted by woscar It already is interesting to begin with by getting to listen to people's take on a genre that they are not familiar/knowledgeable. You can still have a very interesting challenge by using genres like Techno, Trance, Deep House, Big Beat, Indie Dance/Nu Disco, Tech House, Minimal, Progressive House, and Dubstep. There's no need to get idiotic with genres like Casiocore, Skweee, or even Happy Hardcore. It's supposed to be fun for the person making the mix too since it's a learning experience, not torture. I only participated in the first one, and I did learn something. I had "Electro-Tech Trance", and I learned to appreciate the way the guys that play it, mix it. It certainly is different to mix than the Deep/Tech House that I play. Much more stuff going on that can fuck up your mix. However, I found that it's much easier to program. What the hell would I have been able to learn from Casiocore? Not only is it horrendous, it's completely irrelevant.

Makes me laugh really. I got knocked last time for suggesting deep tech, but stuff like casiocore and even skweee and such are just a novelty and really getting carried away imo.
You may not like it but I think happy hardcore is a good genre choice, however I'm a bit busy at the mo to get involved this time around.

So I've given this some thought and came to the conclusion that I really don't want the genres to become more and more obscure. It certainly makes things interesting, but it also makes life really hard for the DJ who gets it and potentially scares some participants off.
I think it's important to have a good mix of many common genres and a few weird ones.

Based on that I will not accept Skweee since it's too exotic. Please select something else Sand Leaper.


Regarding Techno, I would not say it's too general. That would only be a problem if we already had various subgenres of it in here.

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Originally posted by Adam420 You can flame me all you want for stating this, but I think some of you have really sucked the fun out of this whole thing. It's at the point where I feel like putting a lot of these mixes together is more of a hassle than anything. Seriously. These picks are way too fucking specific. That's why I decided to pass this time. I was lucky to not get stuck with anything really bad the last two times, but I'm not gonna risk it this time around. Yea I could enter and get stuck with something shitty that I'll never have any hopes of coming up with a mix for and in the end just not submit an entry, as people have done in the past, but I don't swing that way.

The whole point of this challenge is to discover new music/music that you wouldn't normally give a chance, so if you have this kind of attitude, you might as well pack it in.

That said, seeing as how the majority has ruled that skweee is too exotic, I'll accept that. I choose oldschool trance (91-95) instead.

I think the problem is that people aren't suggesting styles they want to hear, but rather styles that force other people out of their comfort zones for the sheer sake of it.

I'm still very much on the fence for this one, because I don't want to put the sweat and tears into making a schranz or HHC mix that nobody is going to enjoy, just because people wanted to push things.

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Originally posted by ziptnf God, no, not another tech house set. Please, there was already one last time.

Hey, I quite like tech house!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I think the problem is that people aren't suggesting styles they want to hear, but rather styles that force other people out of their comfort zones for the sheer sake of it. I'm still very much on the fence for this one, because I don't want to put the sweat and tears into making a schranz or HHC mix that nobody is going to enjoy, just because people wanted to push things.

I will download any schranz or happy hardcore mixes (although with happy hardcore, there's a good chance that a lot of the tracks are going to be crap, but there's certainly some good tracks out there).

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