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Dance music doesn't even belong in the same discussion as orchestral music, if we're talking about the compositional skill and training needed. It doesn't matter which genre of dance music you're talking about.

Production =/= Composition

Thread is about Production, and since it is, House/Techno > Orchestral Music when it comes to Production, unless you can make a strong case for Orchestral Music being harder to Produce.

First Step : Understanding what Production of Music means

Second Step : Understanding the Processes in making Orchestral Music work

So yes...Orchestral Music doesnt belong in the same discussion as House/Techno, since its likely far easier to Produce, for reasons already stated previously.

I think minimal techno is by far the hardest genre to produce. I am yet to hear a single song that doesn't suck.

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Originally posted by echosystm I think minimal techno is by far the hardest genre to produce. I am yet to hear a single song that doesn't suck.

This makes absolutely no sense, not even any sarcastic sense, massive FAIL as usual.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Production =/= Composition

Well, that's the thing, "production" means completely different things in different genres, so it doesn't even make sense to make broad comparisons. This thread should probably stick to comparing dance genres...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Well, that's the thing, "production" means completely different things in different genres, so it doesn't even make sense to make broad comparisons. This thread should probably stick to comparing dance genres...

Why should the thread change what it is discussing, if its a rather fair topic? Are you MAD that House/Techno is harder to produce than Orchestral Music?

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Originally posted by Subtle They are all equally hard to make.

exactly.

It doesn't matter if it's complex or not, because it all comes down to "is this song good?" and making a good song is hard in all genres.

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Originally posted by echosystm I think minimal techno is by far the hardest genre to produce. I am yet to hear a single song that doesn't suck.

Yeah, Minimal is probably the genre where you can get closest in the shortest amount of time.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Why should the thread change what it is discussing, if its a rather fair topic? Are you MAD that House/Techno is harder to produce than Orchestral Music?

Because you have to equivocate on the use of the term "produce" in order to even make the comparison. In dance music, "produce" often means "compose, arrange, engineer sounds, mix, and [sometimes] master", while in other genres the meaning of the term is much more restricted. It would make more sense to simply ask, "Which genre is hardest to make?"

Psy-trance seems like it would be difficult just because there's so much filler. It really depends on the producer... If you have an ear for a particular genre, you'll probably be good at it. Electro seems like it would be the most difficult unless you're good at writing pop songs.

Above all I would say that dark dirty super complicated and erratic DNB. There are some tracks I've heard that have just blown me away from a production standpoint.

Wut about bt-hybrid like tracks? aint that hard?

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...Techno...

I think songs about techno are harder to produce than techno itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnsq9XtpmEk

What is so hard about slaping a kick together with a bass? Techno is pretty much trance without the arpeggio.

Techno is about sound design, which is difficult. Trance is not.

Trance producers don't design sounds?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Trance producers don't design sounds?

Depends... most of that arpeggiator driven stuff sounds like it's mostly presets. Not saying that's a bad thing, just that techno is based more around sound design.

eh.. don't listen to me. Feeling quite off.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Because you have to equivocate on the use of the term "produce" in order to even make the comparison. In dance music, "produce" often means "compose, arrange, engineer sounds, mix, and [sometimes] master", while in other genres the meaning of the term is much more restricted. It would make more sense to simply ask, "Which genre is hardest to make?"

So you want to move the goal posts? What you are asking become another topic...why would the person who made this topic want to do that? Do you need to feel a little better about saying "Orchestral Music is harder to make"? And even if we did make that topic, again we would have to "equivocate" things and you'd be left arguing that Orchestral music is harder to compose,(which I already stated earlier), and of course i'd say Techno/House would still be harder to Produce. And then perhaps we'd get into which is harder, composing orchestral music or producing house/techno, ie sound design engineering, composing, playing, mixing. So lets just cut to the chase if you want to measure the different facets of Orchestral Music creation and Electronic Music creation.

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Originally posted by meriter Techno is about sound design, which is difficult. Trance is not.

That would make sense. Someone told me the different between tech house and techno, is that they put a lot more soul and feeling into house and house, than they do techno.

none of them is hardest theyre just different fags stfu

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Also, what the guy above said, Orchestra...mostly because nothing you learn in EDM is of any use in Orchestral music.

Actually, a lot of trance music is composed in a similar way to orchestral music but with a lot fewer parts. It's standard in pop music to use chord progressions and in a lot of EDM too, but in an orchestra, chords are formed between the parts, not by a single part. For example, you might have first violins playing a note and the second violins playing the fifth, with the cellos/basses playing the 3rd maybe, that would be like a "slash chord", I think.

In trance you often get parts forming chords together even though none of them are actually playing chords. If you listen to "Airwave" you can hear the melody and bassline doing exactly this, just like it would in an orchestra. And "5" by Aalto does it too.

i kinda agree on techno really, its really dificult to avoid a melody or housey elements and yet keep it cool, groovey without being too much drumey stuff. also most techno tracks have some sort of main thing that is never the same, its just something. also it needs to change all the time compared to progressive beacuse it is not about being deep or repeatative. and not to forget about humour techno is all about wildness and crazyness and fun shit.

Half life 2 music.
I bet Kelly Bailey spend an hour working on that arping 'acid' in Lambda Core.

As for what truely is the hardest genre to produce , I would say different people have different point of views.
Afterall , we all have different experiences working on various genres of EDM.
If you produce trance for a long time , maybe house or techno may be challenging for you, or vice versa.

As for whether Trance is hard to produce or not..
Well it depends.. Some artist are willing to spend lots of time in the studio perfecting their sound and their overall track's vibe , people like First State and Fast Distance.
Some artist .. On the other hand .. Seems to prefer the minimal way of life.. I mean .. Hensha - The Curtain was made with like.. 5 Synths and some Vegeance Samples?

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Originally posted by Kismet7 So you want to move the goal posts? What you are asking become another topic...why would the person who made this topic want to do that? Do you need to feel a little better about saying "Orchestral Music is harder to make"? And even if we did make that topic, again we would have to "equivocate" things and you'd be left arguing that Orchestral music is harder to compose,(which I already stated earlier), and of course i'd say Techno/House would still be harder to Produce. And then perhaps we'd get into which is harder, composing orchestral music or producing house/techno, ie sound design engineering, composing, playing, mixing. So lets just cut to the chase if you want to measure the different facets of Orchestral Music creation and Electronic Music creation.

oh my god shut the fuck up

Well, Orchestral is not the hardest... And this is simple because every genre can be dificult to reach the todays highest quality... some recordings can be done all sample based / synth produced, others not, need to be captured live... I think every genre is hard to produce, from Orchestral, to a beautiful Lyrical Acapella Vocal song, from a uprising Epic Trance, to a Single Classical Piano song, from a hot Rock with a warm screamer fender trimbre, to a shaking caribean Salsa.

Well, my country Brazil have some genres that maybe you guys never knew... look, it's interesting to know:

Ax�:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu3cDTA0IXk

Forr�:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDEJn6Q0nTk

Brazilian Country (Sertanejo):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQakhc4tlZw

so much genres in the world... I think music is music, and audio is audio... Maybe produce impressive e-music is "a bit" hard because you have to be your self audio engeneer apart of music knowledge, and so you need also to have extensive knowledge in computer, synthesis... but I'm not pretty sure if is hardest... all top quality music is hard.

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