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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I watched the airbase tutorial and I hate to say that sounds amateur as shit imo. The mixing is great, the equalizing, layering and sidechaining is great, airbase obviously has skills, BUT the SOUND of the bassline itself, sounds very compensated for by other elements in the track. But yeh it works when you cover it up with acidlines and synths. Anyway let me read more in this thread and more importantly get my FLPs up. If someone can tell me ANYTHING, this thread was already worth it imo. Well no that sounds selfish, this thread is already worth it because theres a lot of good info and links in it, this is not about just me if thats how I'm coming off. Its about people helping each other which is what it should always be about.

Are you looking for a mid-bass that sounds great completely on its own?

It's not just effort. Effort does not equal outcome. I think everybody here understands your frustration, but it takes most people years to get that truly "pro" sound, and that's with a lot of talent (not saying you don't have any, I don't know you, but natural talent expedites the process).

The difference here is that those people take failures or marginal improvements as motivation to hone their skills, whereas people like you blame their tools or whoever/whatever else they can point the finger at.

I see this attitude everywhere. In systems, people blather on about Microsoft and clueless management. In trading, people cry about manipulation. On the road, other drivers "came out of nowhere". People who can't get in shape, blame it on their body type and assume that the bodybuilders all take steroids. In business, they'll cite unfair competition and a bad consumer economy. And in media production, producers blame it on the software and assume that the professionals have magical tools that just sound better than anything the amateurs have access to.

And not once in their lives do any of these people ever stop to consider that the majority of the pros all had to face the same challenges. They had to put in a ridiculous amount of work, often because it represented their livelihood, and deal with failure after failure after failure, but they didn't give up on it, because they assumed that the problem must have been with them and was therefore solvable.

You can feel free to pat yourself on the back for getting responses because you bitched like a girl, but you would have gotten better responses if you'd approached the discussion maturely. And you'll definitely get better results in your actual production efforts if you grow up.

Last but not least, I'm somehow not surprised that you found a way to discount the example(s) you've listened to so far as being shit. I bet that if somebody handed you a sample and didn't tell you whether or not it was hardware or software, you wouldn't be able to tell, but as long as it's labeled as software, you're going to say it doesn't sound good. Once you learn to get over yourself, then you can start to improve.

Who or What is a Pro Mid Bass to you?

If you provide examples perhaps people can help, ill stick up a sample of a FL project i made of resound to help me learn. There is one Offbeat bassline and One midbass in this.


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Originally posted by Beatflux Are you looking for a mid-bass that sounds great completely on its own?

Sounds like it...because I guess he doesnt know that its not about what a sound sounds like alone its about what it sounds like in the grand scheme of things.

I've seen projects where people have some rockin ass basslines and sounds layered but when they are solo'ed out then they are sometimes quite bland. A mid-bass sound alone is not going to sound very convincing to be honest...its how you make it fit into the entire mix.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox The mixing is great, the equalizing, layering and sidechaining is great, airbase obviously has skills, BUT the SOUND of the bassline itself, sounds very compensated for by other elements in the track. But yeh it works when you cover it up with acidlines and synths.

Robby, this is you answering your own question AND proving the point i just made.

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Originally posted by DigiNut It's not just effort. Effort does not equal outcome. I think everybody here understands your frustration, but it takes most people years to get that truly "pro" sound, and that's with a lot of talent (not saying you don't have any, I don't know you, but natural talent expedites the process). The difference here is that those people take failures or marginal improvements as motivation to hone their skills, whereas people like you blame their tools or whoever/whatever else they can point the finger at. I see this attitude everywhere. In systems, people blather on about Microsoft and clueless management. In trading, people cry about manipulation. On the road, other drivers "came out of nowhere". People who can't get in shape, blame it on their body type and assume that the bodybuilders all take steroids. In business, they'll cite unfair competition and a bad consumer economy. And in media production, producers blame it on the software and assume that the professionals have magical tools that just sound better than anything the amateurs have access to. And not once in their lives do any of these people ever stop to consider that the majority of the pros all had to face the same challenges. They had to put in a ridiculous amount of work, often because it represented their livelihood, and deal with failure after failure after failure, but they didn't give up on it, because they assumed that the problem must have been with them and was therefore solvable. You can feel free to pat yourself on the back for getting responses because you bitched like a girl, but you would have gotten better responses if you'd approached the discussion maturely. And you'll definitely get better results in your actual production efforts if you grow up. Last but not least, I'm somehow not surprised that you found a way to discount the example(s) you've listened to so far as being shit. I bet that if somebody handed you a sample and didn't tell you whether or not it was hardware or software, you wouldn't be able to tell, but as long as it's labeled as software, you're going to say it doesn't sound good. Once you learn to get over yourself, then you can start to improve.

^THIS.



also robby how long have you been producing? and wheres a sample of what you want to improve?

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Originally posted by the-sixth Who or What is a Pro Mid Bass to you? If you provide examples perhaps people can help, ill stick up a sample of a FL project i made of resound to help me learn. There is one Offbeat bassline and One midbass in this. [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

Nice stuff!

Oh, lord. Please don't let this turn into a software vs. hardware debate.

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Originally posted by DigiNut It's not just effort. Effort does not equal outcome. I think everybody here understands your frustration, but it takes most people years to get that truly "pro" sound, and that's with a lot of talent (not saying you don't have any, I don't know you, but natural talent expedites the process). The difference here is that those people take failures or marginal improvements as motivation to hone their skills, whereas people like you blame their tools or whoever/whatever else they can point the finger at. I see this attitude everywhere. In systems, people blather on about Microsoft and clueless management. In trading, people cry about manipulation. On the road, other drivers "came out of nowhere". People who can't get in shape, blame it on their body type and assume that the bodybuilders all take steroids. In business, they'll cite unfair competition and a bad consumer economy. And in media production, producers blame it on the software and assume that the professionals have magical tools that just sound better than anything the amateurs have access to. And not once in their lives do any of these people ever stop to consider that the majority of the pros all had to face the same challenges. They had to put in a ridiculous amount of work, often because it represented their livelihood, and deal with failure after failure after failure, but they didn't give up on it, because they assumed that the problem must have been with them and was therefore solvable. You can feel free to pat yourself on the back for getting responses because you bitched like a girl, but you would have gotten better responses if you'd approached the discussion maturely. And you'll definitely get better results in your actual production efforts if you grow up. Last but not least, I'm somehow not surprised that you found a way to discount the example(s) you've listened to so far as being shit. I bet that if somebody handed you a sample and didn't tell you whether or not it was hardware or software, you wouldn't be able to tell, but as long as it's labeled as software, you're going to say it doesn't sound good. Once you learn to get over yourself, then you can start to improve.

Thank you for providing no FLPs and bringing absolutely NOTHING to the topic on hand.
You seem to have read a thread titled "I need to be pyschoanalyzed by a Dr. Phil wannabe".

Seriously, the topic is clear and simple and so are the things I asked. Go back and read as it was all clearly stated. If I'm imature, your inability to pay attention to detail and direction makes you what?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Thank you for providing no FLPs and bringing absolutely NOTHING to the topic on hand. You seem to have read a thread titled "I need to be pyschoanalyzed by a Dr. Phil wannabe". Seriously, the topic is clear and simple and so are the things I asked. Go back and read as it was all clearly stated. If I'm imature, your inability to pay attention to detail and direction makes you what?

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Originally posted by DigiNut And you'll definitely get better results in your actual production efforts if you grow up.

^THIS

Honestly i have nothing against you robby, but u ask for feedback and then dont listen to a damn word any of us tells you. And whats funny is everyone is saying and agreeing to the same damn thing yet you still won't listen. We've provided you much evidence of this situation, at least i know i have. Whether you choose to believe the evidence and use it to motivate yourself to hone your skills is your choice. But right now it seems like you're choosing against it.

It seems like you don't want to learn, you want it handed to you instead. Fact is most of us have learned on our own the hard way through experimentation, reading, listening and more experimentation. However, nowadays you have the ability to view airbase videos showing you EXACTLEY how to do what you are asking in basic guidelines but you still discount it and say its not good enough.

If you really think hardware is all the sudden going to make you sound good go ahead and get a piece of kit, but dont come back whining if that doesnt work out for you either saying u just wasted $x,xxx.xx

I agree with Diginut you need to grow up, stop complaining, and get to work if you want to acheive.

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Originally posted by Nightshift go ahead and get a piece of kit

Make it a Nord Lead 3.

Now my response for some other folk:

Nighshift - I asked for FLPs for a specific reason. You listed nothing but mp3 and youtube links. I don't know where you heard, or who told you, or where you read that such and such used FL Studio and only vsts. But it really means nothing if you can't submit an FLP.

I just can't choose to believe something w/out seeing it with my own eyes.
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Mr. Jive - I have used 1 pos piece of hardware. But I have SEEN and HEARD other pieces so I know what they can do sonically. Well I don't I know how good they can sound w/out exploring them with my own hands (which is the issue right? *my own hands*)
So how is it that in that respect it works for the synths favor (in terms of superior sound quality)? Not against?

If I can know a synth is better just by hearing it, and not even touching it, that synth needs to be that much better because I couldn't get my tweak crazy fingers all over it.
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Cryo - That is a very interesting idea I think I may take you up on it
I would love to compare the results just to see.
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Evo & Trancl8r - you both make good points. I may have to reiterate what I'm looking for more clearly to Trancl8r and Evo it is all subjective but to a degree, a degree I will also need to clarify so you understand how subjective I'm really not being.
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Stef - putting someone down THEN saying "I don't wanna put you down" is just plain fvckn stupid shit. I'm not sure how to address you based on that logic, so I'm best off concluding it would be like talking to a wall.
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Owsey - you are right on every point you make. Yes vsts can make good sounds, but there is still such a huge difference from the sound quality of more well known pros I suppose like Armada. If you wear a pair of headphones listening to Armada, then you wear a pair of headphones off tranceaddict to a "well produced" trance track, pro or w/e you would call it, you can actually hear the difference by way the woofer in the headphone tickles you ear.
The bass just sounds louder, wraps around the kick like a puzzle piece, and sounds so deep and rich. It has something to do with the level of the bass I think, they bring it up so high w/out distorting anything that it the entire bass sounds deeper and fuller.
This is so hard to fuckn explain gzz..
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BeatFlux-
No, I'm looking for a bass that sounds good with a kick, and possibly even a bit of percussion. The type of bass pros can intro with nothing but the kick, bass, and a bit of percussion but when you hear it loop over and over you actually seem like you can hear it for the next 3 hours and not get bored if the pattern never changed.
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The 6th - You are right I'm getting to it just reading and responding to everyone post is taking longer then I expected lol and I couldn't dl your file kept getting "invalid http", was just clicking the link.




Overall its obvious I just need to get samples of both up and describer more specifically what I'm talking about.
I suppose I can understand how some of you can be confused, I really need to refine my question and make my point.

I'll get back to this thread in the morning, really getting too late for all this now.

Spelling fuck as "Fvck" is just "plain fvcking stupid shit"

Dj Robby Rox, what you need to do is read this thread, and the other one, carefully. Then go into FL or where ever. Concentrait JUST on making bass for 1 full week. One Full Week. Only bass. Don't add a kick drum. Don't add a pad. Practicing making a bass, an awesome bass, that stands by itself and still sounds awesome. Then come back in a week, post the MP3s, and post what you think needs work from your mp3s. And I am sure everyone will GLADLY help you.

To everyone else, I say we don't respond to him on the subject of Basses untill:

A. A week has passed.

B. He posts MP3s of his stuff.

Force him to practice, and don't feed him words, otherwise we will get another thread down the shitter. And trust me, i'm an expert on threads going down the shitter. :P

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just sayin.

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just sayin...again.

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I like this one a lot.

Grow up seems to be the appropriate response here.

The most i can tell you is what worked for me. You need to fix that negative attitude, then fix the sound you are trying to make. You will never get anywhere if you sit down and say "ok i have to make a track thats going blow up beatport and get on asot."

You are like the Paris Hilton of this forum.

ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ

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Do you have sylenth1 and Predator?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Nighshift - I asked for FLPs for a specific reason. You listed nothing but mp3 and youtube links. I don't know where you heard, or who told you, or where you read that such and such used FL Studio and only vsts. But it really means nothing if you can't submit an FLP.

Dude seriously? You think I'm lying about those artist using only FLStudio and VSTi? Google them and look for interviews. I used to know most of them, or at least their music back when i was heavy into FL Studio when i first started producing 6 years ago. When I heard them starting to make quality shit like they do i had the exact opposite attitude you had because instead of blaming irrelevant things for my lack of audio and synthesis knowledge & quality, I strived to achieve sound & quality like that.

What you need to do is stop being so ignorant bro. Getting an FLP isnt going to all the sudden get you any further with YOUR OWN production skills. How good things sound is based upon how good YOU make them sound regardless of which DAW or which synth & takes tons of experimentaion, practice & ear training over years of production.

You seem to always be trying to find a shortcut or formula to making your music better. Let me inform you that THERE IS NO SUCH THING. Believe me as a fellow producer because when i started out I thought the same.

Once you learn this then you'll be able to learn how to do the things you want to do. The biggest difference between you and a "pro" is not the gear they have or the synths they use, but its that the "pro" was open-minded and was willing to take those steps (baby steps rather) to getting to where they are today. The main reason why you fail to make a "pro mid bass" is because you are limiting yourself by saying you can't do it because what you have isn't good enough which thus is limiting your equipment. Once you realize that YOU are limiting YOUR OWN equipment and productions with YOUR OWN THiNKING then start to CHANGE that thinking is when you'll start to see results.

Trust me. I've been there.

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Originally posted by Stef You need to fix that negative attitude, then fix the sound you are trying to make.

^THIS.

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Originally posted by Nightshift You seem to always be trying to find a shortcut or formula to making your music better. Let me inform you that THERE IS NO SUCH THING. Believe me as a fellow producer because when i started out I thought the same.

Indeed, there is no such thing.

If you are impatient you will never ever succeed, spending time on making music is the ONLY way to a professional sound.

I have been making music for 10 years now, and i still dont have that "pro" sound, i guess i will get there probably in the next 2-3 years if i work hard enough.

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this is all you really need, imo.

I am throwing all my hardware in to use FL

Here is the sample again

I do wish to hear a sample of one track u consider pro, so far you have only mentioned armada....

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Thank you for providing no FLPs

Once again, grow the fuck up, nobody is obligated to provide you an FLP in order to "prove" that they didn't cheat and use a piece of hardware. Simply because a response is not precisely what you asked for does not make it irrelevant either.

The only reason you really want an actual project file is because you think that seeing the exact settings is going to give you an epiphany and finally set you on the right track to making "professional" sounds. I know, because I thought the same thing 6 years ago and everybody thought the same thing in their early stages.

Some of us actually got "the answer" and realized how useless it really was. Others just worked through it in spite of the frustration. You've chosen to be a big baby about it. Don't be surprised when that's how people treat you.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Owsey - you are right on every point you make. Yes vsts can make good sounds, but there is still such a huge difference from the sound quality of more well known pros I suppose like Armada. If you wear a pair of headphones listening to Armada, then you wear a pair of headphones off tranceaddict to a "well produced" trance track, pro or w/e you would call it, you can actually hear the difference by way the woofer in the headphone tickles you ear. The bass just sounds louder, wraps around the kick like a puzzle piece, and sounds so deep and rich. It has something to do with the level of the bass I think, they bring it up so high w/out distorting anything that it the entire bass sounds deeper and fuller. This is so hard to fuckn explain gzz..

I know what you mean, however, what you just said is a result of practice. Those guys probably have years of expierience behind them, so it's no wonder they generally "sound better".

Then again, if you compare Armada artists to Tranceaddict artists, there's quite a big difference. Sure, Armada may have overall higher quality, but a lot of their music is generic and I believe that some TA artists have a lot more creativity in their work.

Anyway, my point was that the VST's aren't going to magically change. Professionals have many years behind them, which you might not, so generally they're going to know how to tweak things properly.

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