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there are better solutions that looks good.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd i don't need to quit i'm always spending my money on other things like buying tracks. I mean how is quality greatly improved by adding just foam. Does it make it sound more analogue? lol

Like I said before, it can be very dependent on the size of room, where your monitors are positioned and what else is in the room (ie furniture).

The main thing acoustic foam can do is minimize the negative effects of the sound from bouncing off walls the walls. Particularly when it comes to the low end. Hence why bass traps can do so much if your monitors are in the corner.

It's not critical but it sure helps. When I move into my own place and find a good room to set up a studio, I'll definitely add a bit of treatment.

So I wonder how I can improve my room acoustics? I've never really taken acoustics 'too' seriously, simply because I'm still learning all the time, but I'd love it if someone had a look at the two walls (pictured) and tell me if any foam would benefit me? It is a big room (approx 7m x 6m) so I'm tucked into this corner, so if there are any words of wisdom here, consider that!

I'm at a stage now where I'd like to think I can try and compensate 'ok' where my acoustics are lacking... My KRK's are great sounding monitors to me, at least.

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Originally posted by Stylz What about the funkagenda in the studio with?

here's a better look at the funkagenda/mark knight/toolroom studio. unless I'm missing something I don't see any acoustical treatment...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCSAsdpByow

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Originally posted by Stealth here's a better look at the funkagenda/mark knight/toolroom studio. unless I'm missing something I don't see any acoustical treatment... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCSAsdpByow

Precisely. Although those aren't normal walls.

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Originally posted by Stealth I don't see any acoustical treatment...

Every single wall in that room IS acoustic treatment. When was the last time you saw material on a normal wall? lol...

From the look of the door, it might even be a floating room.

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Originally posted by Alphadelta So I wonder how I can improve my room acoustics? I've never really taken acoustics 'too' seriously, simply because I'm still learning all the time, but I'd love it if someone had a look at the two walls (pictured) and tell me if any foam would benefit me? It is a big room (approx 7m x 6m) so I'm tucked into this corner, so if there are any words of wisdom here, consider that! I'm at a stage now where I'd like to think I can try and compensate 'ok' where my acoustics are lacking... My KRK's are great sounding monitors to me, at least.

Your speakers are far to wide apart. They should form an equilateral triangle with the listening position, with all sides being roughly 90-120cm. That is the usual nearfield range.

You should never have your speakers that close to a corner either, as corners collect bass. Likewise, they should be at least 30-40cm away from the wall.

You should also have your speakers infront of the window, so they are firing away from it. This is safe to do because your speakers are front ported. I would say having a window on one side of the room would mess up the response quite a bit. Make sure there's at least ~50cm or more between the window and the back of your speakers though.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd alright, i mean i do have the cash, was just wondering if the difference was good enough to go to G/C and use foamtak and ruin my walls and paste the foam. Thanks

GIK acoustics makes some really class looking treatment solutions. But like others said it isn't worth it unless you have real monitors not entry level like KRKs. The next thing I'm doing before buying any more instruments/fx/ect is spending at least the cash to put bass traps in the corners here.

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Originally posted by echosystm Your speakers are far to wide apart. They should form an equilateral triangle with the listening position, with all sides being roughly 90-120cm. That is the usual nearfield range. You should never have your speakers that close to a corner either, as corners collect bass. Likewise, they should be at least 30-40cm away from the wall. You should also have your speakers infront of the window, so they are firing away from it. This is safe to do because your speakers are front ported. I would say having a window on one side of the room would mess up the response quite a bit. Make sure there's at least ~50cm or more between the window and the back of your speakers though.

Thanks a lot for that advice mate. I did consider the equilateral triangle when setting up - the desk is pretty wide - so when I rearrange my room later I'll sit them behind my desk slightly. I've accepted my situation/location (and budget) is never going to be ideal so little changes like this I'm sure will be useful.

@Zild - In terms of foam there's not much point? You mention the KRK's in your post so I assume I'd be wasting my time with it considering the monitors?

Cheers,

You aren't going to go and blow $1000 to treat your room with traps, diffusers, absorbers, etc if you're running $300 monitors is my reasoning.

You're absolutely right - I'm not doing that. I was just wondering if a bit of foam may help a bit for this room..... But maybe just "a bit of foam" as I put it, is totally pointless anyway - regardless of how expensive the monitors?

Cheers,

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Originally posted by Alphadelta You're absolutely right - I'm not doing that. I was just wondering if a bit of foam may help a bit for this room..... But maybe just "a bit of foam" as I put it, is totally pointless anyway - regardless of how expensive the monitors? Cheers,

Yes when you say a bit of foam I really don't know what you mean. Bass Traps will always help. But a bit of foam... I don't understand what that means lol.

check out gik acoustics

also look into DIY bass traps if you're handy with a saw and a hammer its really just a frame with acoustic paneling inside

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Originally posted by Zild Yes when you say a bit of foam I really don't know what you mean. Bass Traps will always help. But a bit of foam... I don't understand what that means lol. check out gik acoustics also look into DIY bass traps if you're handy with a saw and a hammer its really just a frame with acoustic paneling inside

Haha yeah I get pretty technical sometimes! :-) Sorry, to explain a bit better - I've seen in bedroom (and other) studios just a bit of black acoustic foam behind the monitors and not much else.. That, to me, seems inexpensive - BUT taking on board your knowledge it's unlikely to help my situation in the slightest.. Or is it?

I'll be arranging my room in a more efficient manner anyway - as echosystm pointed out - it can't hurt. But short of spending 1000's I'll leave it at that!

Cheers,

A foam kit like that one Alanzo has going on is probably more than your monitors cost. My advice is upgrade your monitors first and then get treatment. If you want to DIY look into something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyYUpkpL0gw sorry i don't know how to embed video, also look at these traps.




you can hang them on the wall or mount them on wooden stands you're not limited to just the foam which i personally hate

Great stuff, will look at this.. Liking the DIY alternative!!!

Yeah I can imagine that kit did cost more - as did the Andromeda!! His image is an example of what I mean, though. Didn't realise those full kits were too expensive. Again, my ignorance shining through..

Cheers again,

I'm not really sure which kit he's using or if he mixed and matched but about two of these should get you to the point Alan is at with his treatment. http://www.guitarcenter.com/Auralex...869-i1133928.gc


I don't really like those types of treatment solutions because you have to glue them to your wall. I like the ones you can hang or put on stands or sit on the ground.

I'd agree - the wall mounting doesn't appeal to me - and my landlord will have something to say, too!!

Some great food for thought when the time comes.

Cheers,

What you have right now is what I learned on. KRK 5s in an untreated room. It will serve you well for years. I've been doing this since 2004 seriously since 2008 and I'm just getting to the point where I feel limited by my monitors. Mainly they can't handle the low end my synths can put out, so they start farting.

I wouldn't bother treating your room if you only haev KRK RP5s. Just rearrange it like I said and that would be good enough.

If you really want to do some treatment, put some bass traps in the rear corners (or front corners if your speakers are close to them). I wouldn't bother with the usual absorption/diffusion points.

hang more soft things from the ceiling to create barriers so that sound isn't reflecting off the walls/ceiling in straight angles. or you could just glue/staple egg crate foams onto your ceiling and walls. Either should help with the acoustics.

A lab I worked at used to go through crates of test tubes that were packaged in with the 2"x12"x12" (maybe 15"x15") egg crate foams to act as shock absorbers. i remember thinking, "wow, at the rate we go through these, i could sound treat my room in couple of weeks for free!" as i chucked them into the trash. i never bothered cuz i like my room well lit, and gray foam doesn't reflect light very well. if you know of any labs in the area, try your luck.

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Originally posted by Alphadelta

is that an ikea desk?

Haha! Yes and I think it's called 'Fredrik'.. Well spotted that man!

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Originally posted by echosystm I wouldn't bother treating your room if you only haev KRK RP5s....

For the record - KRK 6's :-) But yeah I'm sure the same applies!!! I spent yesterday evening optimising (on a basic level) my set up - bringing the speakers in behind the desk, for example. A nice equilateral triangle.. It's a start!

I'd like to physically hear (in pro studio conditions) how the acoustic environment actually sounds with and without treatment. It'd help me appreciate how important it is. I still have an annoying corner (I wasn't able to utilise the window space as the rad can't be blocked) so I wonder if a bass trap would make the slightest difference?

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