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virus sucks! thats right i said it. its nothing better than any VST and its no way as easy to use as a VST. if ur getting hardware make sure its any point at all.

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Originally posted by palm virus sucks! thats right i said it. its nothing better than any VST and its no way as easy to use as a VST. if ur getting hardware make sure its any point at all.

Can I please have some of what you're smoking.

Virus sounds a hundred times better then the best vsts out there. Deeper, darker, richer and brighter. If you can't hear that, you can't hear.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Can I please have some of what you're smoking. Virus sounds a hundred times better then the best vsts out there. Deeper, darker, richer and brighter. If you can't hear that, you can't hear.

Sideing chaining the volume of your entier song, to your kick. Is also the best sounding effect to most.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Sideing chaining the volume of your entier song, to your kick. Is also the best sounding effect to most.

whats your point?
List more songs like that then fingers you have and you still prove nothing. (and I doubt you could even find that many to begin)

Virus is cheddar cheese
FM8 is imatation cheddar cheese

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Originally posted by Lolo ...And you had also the Novation nova series. The Supernova was seen as the Virus' strongest competitor. But the Novation people kinda missed a train with interesting features that never made it sound-wise for most people.

It�s a real shame that Novation have missed the train with regards to the Supernova Series.

With their experience of making various integrated synths, controllers and V Station I�d imagine they have some of the most relevant expertise and could make a beast of an synth with the Supernova 2 and total integration.

I had a virus c and sold it and to be honest I miss it.

Gladiator comes close but nothing seems to have the darkness of the Virus.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 http://www.myspace.com/digitalquest Listed to Digital Quest - Spirit of Life [not the vocal remix]..the AWESOME whine you hear is a virus.

More annoying than anything.

To the guys dissing the virus... Did you onlly ever use the standard patches? Do you know anything at all about sound design? And the guys dissing the sound quality of the TI... Did you only ever use the USB outs instead of the Analog Outs?

I have a Virus TI and it shits all over any of the synths (soft and hard) I have ever used, including anything mentioned in this thread.

If you know even know a tad about synthesis the Virus can make pretty much any sound ever created. And the amount of things you can program are insane. The "soft" knobs at the bottom of the virus or the modulation control on your keyboard can be programmed to do a heap of things at once as you turn them, and if you get a good combo you can do some freaky stuff.

The possibilities are literally infinite. I recommend it to anyone that wants to get real serious with their productions and has the dough to lay down.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Can I please have some of what you're smoking. Virus sounds a hundred times better then the best vsts out there. Deeper, darker, richer and brighter. If you can't hear that, you can't hear.

i dont agree. yeah it has good efex but the pure OSC isnt really all that. Try playing a saw or square without any effect and do the same on a lets say Nord afterward.


virus is a synth focusing on quantity instead of quality, u have to add three oscs and two, three multis before getting a strong rich lead. Ok im exaggerating very much here but i don't really think its so good as people want it to be, and you can do whatever it can on software too.

im just saying, VAs is pretty pointless as hardware today. IMO!

another thing about the virus that i hate is that it has such recognizable sound, u know it IMMEDIATELY if someone used a virus in their track. Im starting to hate its sound as much as i did with the 303 in the 90s, and as i do with today's side-chaining.

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Originally posted by palm another thing about the virus that i hate is that it has such recognizable sound, u know it IMMEDIATELY if someone used a virus in their track.

Alrighty then, shall we put our money where our mouth is? Click on the links in my sig and tell me which sounds were made with the Virus. I'll even give you a few hints: (1) almost every one of the 20 songs (but not all of them) uses at least one Virus patch and (2) there are few, if any, Virus factory presets in any of them.




edit: clarification on the second point - in hindsight, there may be a few factory presets (possibly lightly tweaked) in some of the songs, but most are custom sounds.

Intro sound on Track3, Track5 !!!! Typical virus.

Btw baseline/melody on Reactive is awesome mate!! And that early lead sound is also virus, i Dont know about the baseline.

We could maybe make a competition about this

intro lead on track 20. easy.

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Originally posted by palm Intro sound on Track3, Track5 !!!! Typical virus. Reactive...And that early lead sound is also virus,... intro lead on track 20. easy.

You're 2 for 4.

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Originally posted by palm Btw baseline/melody on Reactive is awesome mate!!

Thanks!


You've gotten some of the obvious ones having that typical Virus supersaw lead sound, but you've missed a ton of the others, many of which are very prominent. For example, (without giving away the answer) one of the first two songs is dominated by Virus sounds, but they don't sound like the huge Virus leads that many people have become accustomed to hearing and recognizing. Regardless, that runs counter to your assertion that any song containing a Virus is instantly recognizable. In other words, a Virus doesn't have to sound like a huge arpeggiated lead sound - it's a very versatile synth and I doubt that even the guys at Access could tell you definitively whether or not a custom patch in a song is a Virus or not.

And, to your credit, some of the sounds that you thought were a Virus were admittedly programmed to sound like a typical Virus supersaw lead (as were several others that you didn't identify/may not have even listened to). But, that just adds weight to my opinion that, in reality, a Virus isn't all that unique in terms of its "sound" - it can sound like a LOT of things and a lot of other synths can sound like a Virus.

Lol @ "virus can make any sound".. We've heard that one before.

Z3ta, FM8 and countless other synths, have multiple synthesis methods. That catagoricly makes them better than virus.

The pansesys [not you Cryo, we love you ] who think virus is all that, do so only on the basis that big name DJ have said it is awesome. And because of the hype [yeah, hype] the synth gets because it has nice presets. When you get to the nitty griddy of it, its a pretty generic synth. With pretty geniric sounds, used primarly by people who make pretty generic music [trance, pop, hiphop, etc...]

DjRobbyRox, I do prove a point by listing the all tracks that have that shitty side chain compression..the point being that because everyone loves something, doesn't make it good. Popularity is not a sign of quality.

Virus has multiple synthesis methods as well, I think. I don't think it's very "generic," either, since it has more programming options than just about any synth on the market. I also don't think it's the "ultimate synth" or anything like some people, though.

Sixofour have you tried a Virus synth ?

Because if you havent you shouldnt be talking at all.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 And because of the hype [yeah, hype] the synth gets because it has nice presets. When you get to the nitty griddy of it, its a pretty generic synth. With pretty geniric sounds, used primarly by people who make pretty generic music [trance, pop, hiphop, etc...]

"Generic" is pretty subjective, but yeah, you have a point. 10 years ago, the Virus was more unique in terms of its sound, but with the hordes of other HW/SW VAs on the market now, many of which sound very much like a Virus, it's uniqueness has been diluted considerably. The TI feature is what really sets it apart from the crowd IMO. If/when other synth manufacturers start to add similar features, the Virus won't be as special and will probably lose a share of its market, unless Access comes up with something else to keep them ahead of the crowd (analog version?).

Besides, "multiple synthesis methods" isn't exactly a very high bar to clear. It seems like just about any modern digital subtractive synth will have some FM capability.

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Originally posted by cryophonik "Generic" is pretty subjective, but yeah, you have a point. 10 years ago, the Virus was more unique in terms of its sound, but with the hordes of other HW/SW VAs on the market now, many of which sound very much like a Virus, it's uniqueness has been diluted considerably. The TI feature is what really sets it apart from the crowd IMO. If/when other synth manufacturers start to add similar features, the Virus won't be as special and will probably lose a share of its market, unless Access comes up with something else to keep them ahead of the crowd (analog version?).

An analog version of the Virus would be gigantic, LOL, especially if you wanted to keep its massive polyphony. Maybe analog filters or something?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles An analog version of the Virus would be gigantic, LOL, especially if you wanted to keep its massive polyphony. Maybe analog filters or something?

Analog Filters and VCO's. I think VCO's sound better than DCO's.

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Originally posted by cryophonik You're 2 for 4. You've gotten some of the obvious ones having that typical Virus supersaw lead sound, but you've missed a ton of the others, many of which are very prominent. For example, (without giving away the answer) one of the first two songs is dominated by Virus sounds, but they don't sound like the huge Virus leads that many people have become accustomed to hearing and recognizing. Regardless, that runs counter to your assertion that any song containing a Virus is instantly recognizable. In other words, a Virus doesn't have to sound like a huge arpeggiated lead sound - it's a very versatile synth and I doubt that even the guys at Access could tell you definitively whether or not a custom patch in a song is a Virus or not. And, to your credit, some of the sounds that you thought were a Virus were admittedly programmed to sound like a typical Virus supersaw lead (as were several others that you didn't identify/may not have even listened to). But, that just adds weight to my opinion that, in reality, a Virus isn't all that unique in terms of its "sound" - it can sound like a LOT of things and a lot of other synths can sound like a Virus.

i did only listen a 10-20 seconds of 50% of the tracks, I could probably find alot more if i listened carefully but u got my point. Also my point with that u can do the same with a VST u actualy proved here imo.

First thing i listen after to spot a virus is its terrible phasor which is in almost every preset. omg i hate that. Ofcourse u can hide its characteristic by not using its efex but then u only got a synth as good as synth1 VST.

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Originally posted by palm First thing i listen after to spot a virus is its terrible phasor which is in almost every preset. omg i hate that. Ofcourse u can hide its characteristic by not using its efex but then u only got a synth as good as synth1 VST.

Hey, I LIKE its phaser! But, yeah, it is a bit...uhhh...thick.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles An analog version of the Virus would be gigantic,...

...so would the price tag.

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Originally posted by palm First thing i listen after to spot a virus is its terrible phasor which is in almost every preset. omg i hate that. Ofcourse u can hide its characteristic by not using its efex but then u only got a synth as good as synth1 VST.

The delay itself sounds better than any synth i have tried.

It would be like buying a new car, and would require a whole wall for itself. Old school all over again:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Besides, "multiple synthesis methods" isn't exactly a very high bar to clear. It seems like just about any modern digital subtractive synth will have some FM capability.

Well, you have Subtractive, Addative, Granular, Sampler, PM, FM, wavetable, phsyical mod. To name a few. Subtractive and "a bit of FM" don't really cover the spctrum. The typs of sounds made with each synthesis type are pretty much night and day.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Well, you have Subtractive, Addative, Granular, Sampler, PM, FM, wavetable, phsyical mod. To name a few. Subtractive and "a bit of FM" don't really cover the spctrum. The typs of sounds made with each synthesis type are pretty much night and day.

I agree but most synths do not offer more than two or three of those types in the same package. My point was that almost all new subtractive VAs try to be at least a little bit "hybrid."

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