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Originally posted by kadomony i read the title as "more valuable than thought"

i think that's what he tried to say. "more valuable then thought" makes no fucking sense.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi i think that's what he tried to say. "more valuable then thought" makes no fucking sense.

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Originally posted by shaw so what did it decide?

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Originally posted by inconspicuous so what did it decide?

its interesting how its turned into a god Vs nature debate... lol

its funny how threads derail at some point in time.

I think we should leave christianity out of this as its getting messy

I would love to share my opinion on the nature of the gospel but for the purposes of those here i shall not..! One thing i have found though from being here on holiday is that Americans in general those associated with the church are more fanatical then those back home in Australia, perhaps a more induced state of religious psychosis due to the overwhelming collective nature of the institution found here.

Anyway what about the bloody appendix...? are we that silly to disregard something?

shit LOL i just realized what you were getting at in the title. I mean "WE" thats what happens when you dont pay attention to what your doing!

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Originally posted by Energy_3 its interesting how its turned into a god Vs nature debate... lol its funny how threads derail at some point in time. I think we should leave christianity out of this as its getting messy I would love to share my opinion on the nature of the gospel but for the purposes of those here i shall not..! One thing i have found though from being here on holiday is that Americans in general those associated with the church are more fanatical then those back home in Australia, perhaps a more induced state of religious psychosis due to the overwhelming collective nature of the institution found here. Anyway what about the bloody appendix...? are we that silly to disregard something? shit LOL i just realized what you were getting at in the title. I mean "WE" thats what happens when you dont pay attention to what your doing!

you leave my doing out of this!

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You've still got it fucking wrong.

http://grammartips.homestead.com/than.html

I got my taken out. One of the most painful experiences of my life.

quit being stupider at english than norwegian stabass over here

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Originally posted by dj_alfi You've still got it fucking wrong. http://grammartips.homestead.com/than.html

edit* just for you - forgive my english i was raised in a barn with little or no education.

I wish i was well aquatinted thoroughly with the use of than english but forgive me i'm not - do give me pardon.

i shall remember for next time!

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Originally posted by inconspicuous you leave my doing out of this!

all good!

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Originally posted by Energy_3 Its funny the ignorance of humans just because the physiological response isn't obvious imediately or, that they are able to pin point accuratelty through scientific method, they argue that something is useless in the case of the appendix. Cleary it serves a purpose to a greater or lesser extent even if not known by humans. As its exists soley for the purpose of function - which is my argument. But then maybe im wrong, maybe it is nothing.

Right.. but you do realise there are tons of vestigial phenotypes that exist with many animals

for example femurs and pelvic bones in whales.
this also occurs in snakes
goosebumps in humans (we are hairless it serves no purpose).

the appendix was thought to be vestigial because it was infectious and when removed people lived better lives without it. Obviously new evidence comes up all the time when dealing with evolutoin and vestigial accounts. Mose family trees and clades are hypothesized and there is always contraversy in their ranking and relationship. Science is always changeing. Errors and corrections in science isn't a means to say humans are ignorant and the theories are simply vague guesses. Theory's change from time to time. Look at Newtons kinematic equations dealing with velocity and time as costant. Used for hundreds of years now they have been disproven by einstein as time is no longer considered constant, but instead relative. Its the fine print behind evolution the minor details which change frequently as new evidence is brought to the table (cladistics).

Back to the appendix. it didn't "CLEARLY" serve a purpose as explained in the article since the purpose was just recently found out.

Unless you have some hard evidence to bring to the table before you call generations of scientists who study this stuff day in and day out ignorant, i suggest you do some research.

well im screwed then...lost mine a long time ago

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit Right.. but you do realise there are tons of vestigial phenotypes that exist with many animals for example femurs and pelvic bones in whales. this also occurs in snakes goosebumps in humans (we are hairless it serves no purpose). the appendix was thought to be vestigial because it was infectious and when removed people lived better lives without it. Obviously new evidence comes up all the time when dealing with evolutoin and vestigial accounts. Mose family trees and clades are hypothesized and there is always contraversy in their ranking and relationship. Science is always changeing. Errors and corrections in science isn't a means to say humans are ignorant and the theories are simply vague guesses. Theory's change from time to time. Look at Newtons kinematic equations dealing with velocity and time as costant. Used for hundreds of years now they have been disproven by einstein as time is no longer considered constant, but instead relative. Its the fine print behind evolution the minor details which change frequently as new evidence is brought to the table (cladistics). Back to the appendix. it didn't "CLEARLY" serve a purpose as explained in the article since the purpose was just recently found out. Unless you have some hard evidence to bring to the table before you call generations of scientists who study this stuff day in and day out ignorant, i suggest you do some research.

When i mean ignorant i mean simply this "the state of being uneducated or uninformed" and i am particularly interested in the latter. And, when i speak of this i speak of it in general terms in so far that we are quick to refute possibilities from time to time when scientific scrutiny fails to provide adequate outcome. Perhaps naive would have been a better word to use. And yes i agree with you as there is always possibility, and of course two sides or more to every argument.

but i also stand by your opinion as i never really precluded to any absolute idea i merely presented a possibility.

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Originally posted by Energy_3 When i mean ignorant i mean simply this "the state of being uneducated or uninformed" and i am particularly interested in the latter. And, when i speak of this i speak of it in general terms in so far that we are quick to refute possibilities from time to time when scientific scrutiny fails to provide adequate outcome. Perhaps naive would have been a better word to use. And yes i agree with you as there is always possibility, and of course two sides or more to every argument. but i also stand by your opinion as i never really precluded to any absolute idea i merely presented a possibility.

Fair enough. My impression was that you were using this case to refute the theory of evolution by saying all vestigial organs serve a purpose.

maybe i jumped the gun a bit

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit Fair enough. My impression was that you were using this case to refute the theory of evolution by saying all vestigial organs serve a purpose. maybe i jumped the gun a bit

nah no not at all,. i love opinions its the best thing/way to advance in knowledge. I know very little about biology my back ground is psychology though it fascinates me a great deal, all the subjects to life.

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Originally posted by Energy_3 nah no not at all,. i love opinions its the best thing/way to advance in knowledge. I know very little about biology my back ground is psychology though it fascinates me a great deal, all the subjects to life.

get angry, you untrollable bastard!

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Originally posted by dj_alfi get angry, you untrollable bastard!

nah we cant we both have pussies as our avatar.... and i wouldnt want to join the already overwhelming group of angry's in here!

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Originally posted by stren cor version pls

if you've had your appendix taken out you are fucked

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced if you've had your appendix taken out you are fucked

New medications work in sync with the appendix and can cure cancer, AIDS, and swine flu

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So it's another theory? I think it's an interesting one but they clearly haven't found any solid, earth shattering data yet. Makes sense though that the appendix would at least have some sort of use.

I'm very interested in the part about them possibly using it to actually aid in medicine. Now that would be a great find.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit Right.. but you do realise there are tons of vestigial phenotypes that exist with many animals for example goosebumps in humans (we are hairless it serves no purpose).

That's wrong. They do serve the same purpose as before just less efficiently. I don't know about you but I'm not hairless and neither is any other human I've ever met

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Originally posted by Fledz So it's another theory? I think it's an interesting one but they clearly haven't found any solid, earth shattering data yet. Makes sense though that the appendix would at least have some sort of use. I'm very interested in the part about them possibly using it to actually aid in medicine. Now that would be a great find. That's wrong. They do serve the same purpose as before just less efficiently. I don't know about you but I'm not hairless and neither is any other human I've ever met

and would we also use our vestigial tail for balance when runing?

Lets be a bit rational here. The lack of hair on a human body would make for a faulty warning system against predators.

Warning system? Huh? Goosebumps are designed for warmth not to warn against predators

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Originally posted by Fledz Warning system? Huh? Goosebumps are designed for warmth not to warn against predators

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose_bumps

Ah I see but regardless it's a secondary response, even that wiki article shows it. In humans it's mainly for warmth (or at least it was).

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Originally posted by Fledz Ah I see but regardless it's a secondary response, even that wiki article shows it. In humans it's mainly for warmth (or at least it was).

sure.. not very effective unless you're a hairy mofo lol.

for instance it serves no purpose to certain racial groups or peoples which tend to have little to no hair.

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