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im sure someone in Mary Jo Kopechne's family is happy.id be popping bottles if i was related to her.her parents might not have lived to see it but they get closure now at least.im a democrat and i couldnt be happier hes dead.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I've never been to the UK in my entire life, I was born and raised in Washington State and I still live here.

Well I know most of the forum isn't from palestine, I didn't think you spoofed your country of origin though.

See here's the problem with having tax rates that high.

1. The federal income tax goes to paying off our debt to the fed, and nothing else.

2. It stagnates economic growth

3. It's inevitable with this new hybridized form of global centric socialism and the enduring psychosis of the neo-conservative ideals, that the money will end up being spent on bombing brown people somewhere.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Mary Jo Kopechne was unavailable for comment on the senator's death

good riddance.

I read The Prince when I was fifteen years old.

I Am A Prince, Haven't you heard?

Now kneel and kiss my feet.

I am willing to bet that i pay a lot more taxes then you 17, and although i would love to keep some more $$$ at the end of the year, the services they fund are essential as well as make this a better place to live. I'd rather lose a bigger % of salary in exchange of a better education system (which the US fails hard at), health care, social assistance and anything else that could allow people to live a better life.

Many people who complain about taxes (like that hillbilly redneck republican who was yelling out heil hitler in that other thread) also complain about the have nots that need help . If you are born into poverty, without help you will most likely stay in it forever.

A smarter country that gives the lower tiers of population the tools to go further is a better country. A better country is good for everyone.

You might not agree, but the "looking out for number 1" attitude is what got America into the huge mess it is in right now. Selfishness ceases to maintain when there is no longer anything left to take.


Kennedy had a lot of not so great traits, but his service to the American people was long standing and he deserves respect for it.

we all know the real elite votes democrat

when I think of republicans I think of Montana and Texas

LMFAO

are you trying to say there are no wealthy in texas?

Re: Ted Kennedy - dead at 77

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Originally posted by Renzo

He looks a bit weird.

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Originally posted by lenazi are you trying to say there are no wealthy in texas?

there's wealth and good people in Texas, there are also bigots and racists too. By no means am I trying to paint everyone with the same brush; but history tells us, democrats usually stand up for human rights, education, and values which are utilitarian in nature.

Wealthy democrats are usually better than wealthy republicans; they are less prone to engage in bigotry; and they enjoy the same amount of riches as their counterparts...they are just....better

you can have millions of dollars and that will not make you elite.

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Originally posted by Clovis Helping others is un-American.

[conservative hat]

No, forcing people to help others by taxing them for "social programs" is un-American. And the U.S. does contribute more in voluntary charity, just not in "foreign aid" money that people are forced to give up by their governments.

[/conservative hat]

lol

You'd be surprised at how liberal a lot of people in Montana are. Their governor is one of the more liberal, and level minded in the country.


There are a lot of fucking wackos from there too though.

Well I'd certainly hope that Libertarians are liberal.

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Originally posted by lenazi I am willing to bet that i pay a lot more taxes then you 17

proportionally, yes... I guarantee you pay a higher percentage in taxes than me. But net tax dollars per year? highly doubtful.

LET THE BATTLE OF THE ALPHA-EARNERS BEGIN!

so if you have so much then, what is the problem with having a little less to better your country with?

don't bother answering, i was just putting it out there as i already know the answer.

In The17sss' defence, our country would simply mis-use his money. You can't really argue with that.

But enough of that, greed is great.

those democrats and their damn war in eyerak took away ma monies.

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Originally posted by lenazi so if you have so much then, what is the problem with having a little less to better your country with? don't bother answering, i was just putting it out there as i already know the answer.

I'll answer anyway- it's the principle of the matter for me. It's always "well just pay a little more... just pay a little bit more, what's the big deal?" And the people who usually say that are the ones who don't get routinely soaked with ever increasing rates and therefore have no problem with the concept. Take Joss' statement from the 1st page of this thread for example- he said he'd gladly give away 75% of his paycheck if it would do positive things for his community. Haha really? We're expected to believe that if he was making $100,000 per year, he'd gladly live off of $25,000 and give $75K away?

Now in the U.S. you basically have 44% of the population NOT paying taxes, and the top 1% of earners' tax revenue has matched the bottom 95%. When people with money get taxed excessively, at least in this country, once that 50% threashold hits them, the wealthy stop investing and taking risks with their money which spur economic growth.

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Originally posted by The17sss ...ever increasing rates...

LOL.

http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles LOL. http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

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Originally posted by The17sss

Your line was "ever increasing," which is demonstrably false. Your chart says nothing about what top earners have paid over longer time periods.

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Originally posted by The17sss I'll answer anyway- it's the principle of the matter for me. It's always "well just pay a little more... just pay a little bit more, what's the big deal?" And the people who usually say that are the ones who don't get routinely soaked with ever increasing rates and therefore have no problem with the concept. Take Joss' statement from the 1st page of this thread for example- he said he'd gladly give away 75% of his paycheck if it would do positive things for his community. Haha really? We're expected to believe that if he was making $100,000 per year, he'd gladly live off of $25,000 and give $75K away? Now in the U.S. you basically have 44% of the population NOT paying taxes, and the top 1% of earners' tax revenue has matched the bottom 95%. When people with money get taxed excessively, at least in this country, once that 50% threashold hits them, the wealthy stop investing and taking risks with their money which spur economic growth.

If things like health care and any other exorbitant expenses are covered. Things like readily available public transit that doesn't suck would mean I wouldn't have to own a car.

Of course I think it should be on a sliding scale. Maybe 100k not 75%, maybe closer to 50%, and it would need to be dependent on the number of dependents (up to a certain point, we need to penalize people that have a lot of kids in this country).

That is if I knew it would be spent wisely and for the better of the community. As it stands now thats not ever going to be the case. Which is why I argue for succession of the PNW. We can do it better than you guys.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Your line was "ever increasing," which is demonstrably false. Your chart says nothing about what top earners have paid over longer time periods.

As shown in the link, 1990 had some of the lowest top marginal rates in recent history, so to use that as the baseline is ignorant at best.

i would love to see some stats where the rich stop investing and say, "ok i don't want to pay anymore taxes to make my country better, so i'm going to spurn the economy and not try to make myself wealthier".

education, apparently it does not always make you smart.

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