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Originally posted by thedoggyworld It's a good idea to have oil drilling in Brazil.

Actually, Brazilians and oil have a very long (and cute) relationship. In any case, it's amusing to see we've been exporting drama as well

I'm not very much in tune when it comes to politics, but even I know about the commotion caused by the Tupi oil field here...

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Originally posted by The17sss Hmmm... I do appreciate the explanation, occrider. It certainly makes sense. I am still, however, within my rights to be upset about the deal regardless because A) Soros clearly made out like a bandit in the deal by making moves just a few days before it was inked... in a similar fashion that had the Left screaming bloody murder about Cheney/Halliburton; B) The same amount of money was denied to a US based company to develop nuclear technology for energy purposes, after Obama made promises on the campaign trail to that company that it would happen; and C) It's retarded that Obama will help underwrite a loan for offshore drilling in Brazil that will supposedly benefit the U.S., but won't consider allowing it to happen here which will benefit our economy even more. All in all though, I thank you for correcting some erroneous judgements I had on the issue.

Why would you want it to happen here? Our oil reserves aren't going anywhere, and our economy is benefiting because we're jumping on an opportunity that would easily be taken by another country the moment we pass on it. Is media opinion really all that important to you? It sure seems like that should be your only gripe here.

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Originally posted by The17sss Hmmm... I do appreciate the explanation, occrider. It certainly makes sense. I am still, however, within my rights to be upset about the deal regardless because A) Soros clearly made out like a bandit in the deal by making moves just a few days before it was inked... in a similar fashion that had the Left screaming bloody murder about Cheney/Halliburton; B) The same amount of money was denied to a US based company to develop nuclear technology for energy purposes, after Obama made promises on the campaign trail to that company that it would happen; and C) It's retarded that Obama will help underwrite a loan for offshore drilling in Brazil that will supposedly benefit the U.S., but won't consider allowing it to happen here which will benefit our economy even more. All in all though, I thank you for correcting some erroneous judgements I had on the issue.

And what do you make of the op-ed by the Ex-Im Bank's President that stated this was a decision made under the Bush Administration? Does it become somehow less outrageous then?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Why would you want it to happen here? Our oil reserves aren't going anywhere, and our economy is benefiting because we're jumping on an opportunity that would easily be taken by another country the moment we pass on it.

It really has always struck me that neo-cons never got this, or should I say the followers who support them. From a purely strategic point, isn't it better that we exploit outside of our borders rather than within them, especially with regard to non-renewable resources? When they run out elsewhere, at least we still have energy sources within the gates. It might be more expensive now, but how expensive would it be to get those resources after we exploit all of our own? You'd think that there'd be more long-term planning discussion going on, but I feel like it's one of those unsaid realities that most people who make these decisions have privately discussed and it just doesn't make it to print because of the public's perception of such a strategy.

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Originally posted by The17sss Hmmm... I do appreciate the explanation, occrider. It certainly makes sense. I am still, however, within my rights to be upset about the deal regardless because A) Soros clearly made out like a bandit in the deal by making moves just a few days before it was inked... in a similar fashion that had the Left screaming bloody murder about Cheney/Halliburton; B) The same amount of money was denied to a US based company to develop nuclear technology for energy purposes, after Obama made promises on the campaign trail to that company that it would happen; and C) It's retarded that Obama will help underwrite a loan for offshore drilling in Brazil that will supposedly benefit the U.S., but won't consider allowing it to happen here which will benefit our economy even more. All in all though, I thank you for correcting some erroneous judgements I had on the issue.

I appreciate your candor, however, I'm afraid I cannot comment intelligently on the points you have made in your post. If we're talking exclusively about the Exim bank I feel confident about my knowledge about its functions to address your points. But now you're involving Soros, nuclear technology, and offshore drilling off of US coastlines as some kind of concerted effort. To be honest this strikes me as an elaborate theory that is baseless in the sense that it cannot be proved or disproved (and I'm leaning very heavily on the side that it cannot be proved) and as such I have no reply. I think we need to restate our initial points. Are you saying that obama is promoting oil exploration in South America but is excluding such exploration from the United States because he's actively trying to reduce our country's energy capabilities?

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Originally posted by occrider I appreciate your candor, however, I'm afraid I cannot comment intelligently on the points you have made in your post. If we're talking exclusively about the Exim bank I feel confident about my knowledge about its functions to address your points. But now you're involving Soros, nuclear technology, and offshore drilling off of US coastlines as some kind of concerted effort. To be honest this strikes me as an elaborate theory that is baseless in the sense that it cannot be proved or disproved (and I'm leaning very heavily on the side that it cannot be proved) and as such I have no reply. I think we need to restate our initial points. Are you saying that obama is promoting oil exploration in South America but is excluding such exploration from the United States because he's actively trying to reduce our country's energy capabilities?

Obama wants our country to fail! Don't you see it?

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Originally posted by occrider I think we need to restate our initial points. Are you saying that obama is promoting oil exploration in South America but is excluding such exploration from the United States because he's actively trying to reduce our country's energy capabilities?

I'm speaking more to the hypocricy of the whole thing; I'm saying it's blatant hypocricy to support efforts in Brazil for something he won't support here, AND to support such efforts for energy growth overseas while denying them to a company in Ohio, for the same $2 billion loan, that he promised he would give them while campaigning for votes. The Soros link just adds more disgust to the whole thing for me- it is no coincidence that Soros is a major financer of Obama's causes and he happenes to own 23% of Petrobas shares, and made stock moves 3 days before that deal that would net him millions of additional dollars. The cronyism is unbelievable.

Then your gripes are with government in general - not just Obama.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Then your gripes are with government in general - not just Obama.

You're more right than you know. It just happens that now, the supporters of the people in power seem to turn a blind eye to it while their dude is in the White Heezy.

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Originally posted by The17sss You're more right than you know. It just happens that now, the supporters of the people in power seem to turn a blind eye to it while their dude is in the White Heezy.

The "man" always trying to keep a brotha down. Give him a chance!

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Originally posted by The17sss You're more right than you know. It just happens that now, the supporters of the people in power seem to turn a blind eye to it while their dude is in the White Heezy.

You continue to put this on Obama. Are you denying that this was a deal dreamed up under the Bush Administration and only now finalized? That's what the Wall Street Journal has printed in a letter from the President of the Ex-Im Bank. Is he wrong?

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Originally posted by The17sss I'm speaking more to the hypocricy of the whole thing; I'm saying it's blatant hypocricy to support efforts in Brazil for something he won't support here,

We don't want more drilling in our national parks or off our beautiful coastlines. Pretty simple.

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Originally posted by iTranscendence Awww defending your boyfriend, that's even cuter than the poetic irony of this explosive new info. You look like a gay.

while I share your contempt for these two, don't stoop to their level with the childish insults, thats what the ignore list is for!

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Originally posted by The17sss I'm speaking more to the hypocricy of the whole thing; I'm saying it's blatant hypocricy to support efforts in Brazil for something he won't support here, AND to support such efforts for energy growth overseas while denying them to a company in Ohio, for the same $2 billion loan, that he promised he would give them while campaigning for votes. The Soros link just adds more disgust to the whole thing for me- it is no coincidence that Soros is a major financer of Obama's causes and he happenes to own 23% of Petrobas shares, and made stock moves 3 days before that deal that would net him millions of additional dollars. The cronyism is unbelievable.

The issue is more nuanced than you make it out to be. This isn't an issue about drilling for oil vs. no drilling for oil. The issue is about where you drill for oil, what impact that drilling will have on the environment, and the rewards that will come from that oil drilling. It doesn't make sense to drill off the coast of the US or ANWR from an environmental perspective considering the oil yields in those areas. It makes perfect sense to support drilling where there's huge deposits and acceptable environmental damages such as the gulf of Mexico, off the coast of Brazil, or Iraq.

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Originally posted by Max Thomson while I share your contempt for these two, don't stoop to their level with the childish insults, thats what the ignore list is for!

Are you going to add anything to forum or just whine about someone getting their feelings hurt?

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Originally posted by iTranscendence �First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.�

Do you mean like the Kenedy conspiracy theorists won or like the there's no moon landing theorists won?

I'm just sayin, those are different victories you know...

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