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really depends on the track, and the patch i'm workin with..

for example i like my bass extremely tight, but pads and strings and whatnot can be a bit looser, and sometimes sound better that way too imo...
depends on genres and things as well, those "dirty" tunes often sound good with a bit of a 'missed' note here and there cause it sounds live etc, while the more over-produced trancey stuff will often sound horrible if anything is out...

as with most things... whatever sounds good...

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Originally posted by RichieV People spend so much time on the dumbest things. I remember the supersaw threads 2 years ago. The kick drum threads were almost as annoying. Is it really that hard to do ? I just don't get the obsession with things that are so rudimentary.

Heh heh. Would you expect anything less from this forum?

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Originally posted by DigiNut I interpreted it the other way - listen to enough low-quality garbage (and most trance - no, most EDM in general is of that quality), and you cease to notice its obvious deficiencies. I'm pretty sure he was saying that you have listened to a lot of shit, and have lowered your standards as a result.

I see, so based on your post he is basically stating his standards are better than mine because i like some tracks that have no groove/shuffle manipulation even though some of the greatest trance tracks of all time didn't have any.


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LOL

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Originally posted by Nightshift I see, so based on your post he is basically stating his standards are better than mine because i like some tracks that have no groove/shuffle manipulation even though some of the greatest trance tracks of all time didn't have any.

Why did you reply to the same post twice... 2� hours apart?

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Originally posted by DigiNut Why did you reply to the same post twice... 2� hours apart?

u mad?

i did it for the lulz, john, the lulz

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Originally posted by Nightshift Well according to your statement then I guess my standards are pretty high and I still say not all tracks need groove & shuffle manipulations to be good. thats just as bad as saying all trance tracks need a supersaw to be good. I'm juss sayin this post was completely ridiculous: oh the irony.

unless they changed the definition of irony last night, I really don't get what is so ironic. If that seems rediculous to you, it is because you think music is production. I feel really sorry for those with their head in the sand that are missing out on so many things because they have horse blinders on.

----There are some studies done by Huron that show that people , lets just say dim witted, experience a rewarding feeling listening to the same music because their expectations are always fulfilled and each song is really pseudo individualization. Others enjoy something new that although physiologically presents a negative reactive is overcome by the joyfull act of using your brain. ---

my original post was a light hearted sideswipe with the phenomenon of people getting so stuck into genres and because every style has their ebb and flow of quality, they just end up listening to alot of shit for alot of years. This is probably common to most people that feel attached to a particular genre because they identify with it as a person. It usually doesn't have too much to do with actual music.

I don't want to get into a discussion about aesthetics and what Kant has to say but you will be a better producer if you stop trying to be a trance producer. Learn the most salient things from each style of music you like. That is how you develop style. LIstening to only trance is how you become so oblivious of other musical devices that are , well always an opinion, alot more interesting and challenging.

^ Excellent post.

If you read interviews with a lot of brilliant producers who are asked about their influences, they will almost never list only artists within their own genre. In fact often the influences are things you would not expect and that do not sound much like the artist being interviewed, because they have learned to appreciate great music wherever it appears and do not limit their listening to just one or two genres. As a result their own music is not limited to just emulating the style and sound of other artists within the genre(s) they want to make.

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Originally posted by RichieV I don't want to get into a discussion about aesthetics and what Kant has to say but you will be a better producer if you stop trying to be a trance producer. Learn the most salient things from each style of music you like. That is how you develop style. LIstening to only trance is how you become so oblivious of other musical devices that are , well always an opinion, alot more interesting and challenging.

Amen to that.

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Originally posted by RichieV unless they changed the definition of irony last night, I really don't get what is so ironic. If that seems rediculous to you, it is because you think music is production. I feel really sorry for those with their head in the sand that are missing out on so many things because they have horse blinders on. ----There are some studies done by Huron that show that people , lets just say dim witted, experience a rewarding feeling listening to the same music because their expectations are always fulfilled and each song is really pseudo individualization. Others enjoy something new that although physiologically presents a negative reactive is overcome by the joyfull act of using your brain. --- my original post was a light hearted sideswipe with the phenomenon of people getting so stuck into genres and because every style has their ebb and flow of quality, they just end up listening to alot of shit for alot of years. This is probably common to most people that feel attached to a particular genre because they identify with it as a person. It usually doesn't have too much to do with actual music. I don't want to get into a discussion about aesthetics and what Kant has to say but you will be a better producer if you stop trying to be a trance producer. Learn the most salient things from each style of music you like. That is how you develop style. LIstening to only trance is how you become so oblivious of other musical devices that are , well always an opinion, alot more interesting and challenging.

Yeah, so...

How do I make that supersaw sound from Airwave?

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Originally posted by Beatflux Yeah, so... How do I make that supersaw sound from Airwave?

Big lulz

I agree with Richie v I recently started learning to play piano and as a result have been playing along to pop songs etc and I have now started getting more creative with chords etc instead of just a chord a bar for 4 bars and repeat you know like in a lot of trance..

Drum and bass mixed with psy trance.. omg

Just the thought of that makes me drool.

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Originally posted by Subtle Drum and bass mixed with psy trance.. omg Just the thought of that makes me drool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4R1nl_UbSk

almost therehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I4JGcY8U28

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Originally posted by RichieV unless they changed the definition of irony last night, I really don't get what is so ironic. If that seems rediculous to you, it is because you think music is production. I feel really sorry for those with their head in the sand that are missing out on so many things because they have horse blinders on. ----There are some studies done by Huron that show that people , lets just say dim witted, experience a rewarding feeling listening to the same music because their expectations are always fulfilled and each song is really pseudo individualization. Others enjoy something new that although physiologically presents a negative reactive is overcome by the joyfull act of using your brain. --- my original post was a light hearted sideswipe with the phenomenon of people getting so stuck into genres and because every style has their ebb and flow of quality, they just end up listening to alot of shit for alot of years. This is probably common to most people that feel attached to a particular genre because they identify with it as a person. It usually doesn't have too much to do with actual music. I don't want to get into a discussion about aesthetics and what Kant has to say but you will be a better producer if you stop trying to be a trance producer. Learn the most salient things from each style of music you like. That is how you develop style. LIstening to only trance is how you become so oblivious of other musical devices that are , well always an opinion, alot more interesting and challenging.

I couldn't agree more with you Richie. You truly know what you're talking about.

Go listen to some Hans Zimmer people.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force I couldn't agree more with you Richie. You truly know what you're talking about. Go listen to some Hans Zimmer people.

i do

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Originally posted by RichieV unless they changed the definition of irony last night, I really don't get what is so ironic. If that seems rediculous to you, it is because you think music is production. I feel really sorry for those with their head in the sand that are missing out on so many things because they have horse blinders on. ----There are some studies done by Huron that show that people , lets just say dim witted, experience a rewarding feeling listening to the same music because their expectations are always fulfilled and each song is really pseudo individualization. Others enjoy something new that although physiologically presents a negative reactive is overcome by the joyfull act of using your brain. --- my original post was a light hearted sideswipe with the phenomenon of people getting so stuck into genres and because every style has their ebb and flow of quality, they just end up listening to alot of shit for alot of years. This is probably common to most people that feel attached to a particular genre because they identify with it as a person. It usually doesn't have too much to do with actual music. I don't want to get into a discussion about aesthetics and what Kant has to say but you will be a better producer if you stop trying to be a trance producer. Learn the most salient things from each style of music you like. That is how you develop style. LIstening to only trance is how you become so oblivious of other musical devices that are , well always an opinion, alot more interesting and challenging.

Okay that is a long way from your post basically saying "people need to focus more on groove/shuffle manupulations and unquantitized midi more than sound design." You completely changed the topic with this post.

I do agree with the last paragraph though to an extent.

FYI Trance isnt the only thing I listen to, only the most frequent. House, Progressive, Electro, Hip-hop, Rap, Alternative, Hard Rock, Metal, i listen to all of these if not more and quite familiar with them all.

But I must say that the last 5 do not have any influence when it comes to my productions.

Not really gonna get inspiration for a trance or house track by listening to metal.

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Originally posted by Nightshift Okay that is a long way from your post basically saying "people need to focus more on groove/shuffle manupulations and unquantitized midi more than sound design." You completely changed the topic with this post. I do agree with the last paragraph though to an extent. FYI Trance isnt the only thing I listen to, only the most frequent. House, Progressive, Electro, Hip-hop, Rap, Alternative, Hard Rock, Metal, i listen to all of these if not more and quite familiar with them all. But I must say that the last 5 do not have any influence when it comes to my productions. Not really gonna get inspiration for a trance or house track by listening to metal.

why? metal has some intresting elements in them these days. i think the hole point trying to be made here is widen your musical tastes.

you dont have to directly listen to punk rock then sit down and make a trance track.

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Originally posted by owien why? metal has some intresting elements in them these days. i think the hole point trying to be made here is widen your musical tastes. you dont have to directly listen to punk rock then sit down and make a trance track.

oh if only he knew just how wide my musical tastes are.

but im done arguing this i made my point and im moving on. arguing in forums is counterproductive & doesnt get a track done, let alone signed.

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Originally posted by Nightshift oh if only he knew just how wide my musical tastes are. but im done arguing this i made my point and im moving on. arguing in forums is counterproductive & doesnt get a track done, let alone signed.

its all for the lozzzz

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Originally posted by owien its all for the lozzzz

+1

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Originally posted by Subtle Drum and bass mixed with psy trance.. omg Just the thought of that makes me drool.

You mean like John B's "Trance and Bass" album from '02? Lol...

The trance/psy sound has been pervading D'n'B for a while now. It was inevitable, since breaks and jungle have absorbed almost every other genre (including rock and other mainstream genres).

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